List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

What should we do with our 1st round draft pick?

  • Finn O’Sullivan

    Votes: 57 19.0%
  • Sid Draper

    Votes: 86 28.7%
  • Josh Smillie

    Votes: 22 7.3%
  • Jagga Smith

    Votes: 34 11.3%
  • Split for best mid and Tobie Travaglia

    Votes: 46 15.3%
  • Split for best mid and Liam Baker

    Votes: 20 6.7%
  • Split for best mid and best KPD

    Votes: 4 1.3%
  • Split for best two mids

    Votes: 9 3.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 13 4.3%
  • Sam Lalor

    Votes: 9 3.0%

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Sheed, Darling, Cripps, Jamieson, Bazzo and possibly Cole are the players OOC at the end of next year whose futures are likely to be discussed then but can’t see any of them being asked to leave this year.
Of that list, Sheed and Darling go, Cripps gets another year on current form (15 months is a long time though), Jamieson might not survive, Bazzo sticks around, and I think Cole gets extended, though I hope his position is coming under pressure by 2026.
 
In Victoria, most likely Simon McPhee. He's also director of Football at Brighton grammar with Ashcroft, Trainor and Oliver the big names at the school this year.

But could imagine Duane Massey is based in SA, but would be travelling everywhere.

Would be ideal to have our head recruiter in Vic (or WA) you'd think.

Interesting that I've (we've) pretty much never heard McPhee mentioned (or seen him amongst the recruiters on draft night etc from what I can recall?)

Would be nice if the club would publicise who our main recruiting team actually is tbh, ala the coaching panel.
 
And just like that we have a new pick 1 contender. Sam Lalor playing his first game back in the Talent League since returning from a long injury layoff to start the season demonstrates that every part of his game is in tip top condition as he turns in possibly the best performance of the season. Powerful, brutal, attacking and clean, he was strong overhead, hit up targets over all distances by foot and absorbed contact to release teammates with long creative handballs. The most impressive thing of all might have been his bruising tackles.


I need Lalor to play in champs and rack it up in the champs.

One thing that is very apparent by the video is he is a tackling/defensive machine.

If he racks it up in the champions then I would be over the moon with pick 3 since at that pick we can get

1. FOS
2. Draper
3. Larlor

The gap from three down is sizeable. Larlor if he racks it up in championship is a safe as houses pick and is a need. We need someone to accumulate ground ball gets a dish off to Harley and Hewitt. Additionally need that player to cover for the defensive game for Harley and Hewitt.

So pending championship Lalor may be in my top 3 and may be my man as opposed to Sid draper. Although sid seems to have a highef ceiling.
 

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And just like that we have a new pick 1 contender. Sam Lalor playing his first game back in the Talent League since returning from a long injury layoff to start the season demonstrates that every part of his game is in tip top condition as he turns in possibly the best performance of the season. Powerful, brutal, attacking and clean, he was strong overhead, hit up targets over all distances by foot and absorbed contact to release teammates with long creative handballs. The most impressive thing of all might have been his bruising tackles.



Impressive game, highlights showed a lot of different strengths.
Looked clean with the ball, how’s he’s speed though?
 
Impressive game, highlights showed a lot of different strengths.
Looked clean with the ball, how’s he’s speed though?
I don't have his preseason testing numbers. In fact I'd be surprised if he did the testing given he was injured.

He's a power athlete though, I'd be surprised if he's not pretty rapid.
 
IF Freo are in the box seat for Warner

Id look at giving them our F1 for Freo for 11 & 14

Gives them x2 F1 for Warner, if 1 being top 4. Plus how good to weaken it in 2025

Gives us 3, 11, 14 and 23

Imagine getting best mid, with Travaglia, Urquhart and Allen

If we're in the frame for Warner

Split 2 with Gold Coast for 9 and 10

Would neat us Trav, Urquart and Allen
Freo aren't in the box seat for warner .

Sydney wont trade him this year under contract.

Both warner bros are contracted next season .

If freo don't push their picks into 2025 then they have poor capital for warner compared to us .

Hopefully they blow their wad on shai bolten this off season
 
He's worth persisting with for depth and future trade value. I don't think he makes it with us but there is a capable third tall forward in the making there.
We are potentially a little short on list spots, and we have plenty of talls. I still think its worth keeping him if we can but hes a long shot imo
 
Any interest at all in Clarry? I dont think he goes anywhere but we do have cap space and he could be cheap to trade for, and is still in his prime in terms of age. He might not be a good role model but that might be manageable with enough leadership around.

As a salary dump Clarry could be gotten for a 2nd round pick maybe? Maybe use our F1, F2 and current 2nd rounder in whatever way to get enough assets to trade for Baker, Buss and Clarry

If we added Clarry, Baker, Cumming, English?(maybe not), and maybe 1 more FA(even as depth) while keeping our 1st pick this year and getting in Buss, thats a pretty strong squad all of a sudden assuming Clarry can have a good pre-season and get somewhere close to previous years form.
Perhaps a chance to contend again before Yeo and Gov give it up. If Buss/Bazzo come good quickly then definitely a chance to contend before TB retires.

FB: Hough Barrass Cole
HB: Baker Gov Cumming
C: Ginbey Clarry Chesser
HF: Ryan Allen Cripps
FF: Long Waterman Hewett
R: Flynn Reid Yeo
Int: Kelly Duggan BW/JW Busslinger
Sub: first round pick

with guys like Hunt, Brockman, Maric, Petch, Darling, Jamieson, Bazzo and a bunch of younger guys as depth

Purely for fun but would be a VERY aggressive strategy
 
We are potentially a little short on list spots, and we have plenty of talls. I still think its worth keeping him if we can but hes a long shot imo
If we do struggle for the rest of the year and apply for priority package then getting 2 extra rookie spots with the caveat that we can transfer 2 OOC players to those spots would be a massive help .
Harry Edwards and ?
 
After Urquhart's last game I'm convinced.
Love his ball winning ability, his capacity to stand up to tackling pressure, decisiveness, creativity and long kicking.
We need to find a way to get within his draft range.
What would he be worth atm? Surely he must be rocketing up the draft boards.
I feel like he might be gone by our 2nd pick with all the academy & father son bids.
 
After Urquhart's last game I'm convinced.
Love his ball winning ability, his capacity to stand up to tackling pressure, decisiveness, creativity and long kicking.
We need to find a way to get within his draft range.
What would he be worth atm? Surely he must be rocketing up the draft boards.
I feel like he might be gone by our 2nd pick with all the academy & father son bids.
I’ve currently got him 28-32. Has a lot of strengths as you’ve mentioned although his kicking is a concern and so is the history with his hip which was published. Hopefully puts on a show against Lalor and co. this weekend.
 
If we do struggle for the rest of the year and apply for priority package then getting 2 extra rookie spots with the caveat that we can transfer 2 OOC players to those spots would be a massive help .
Harry Edwards and ?
If we are transferring OOC guys, then id put JJ there. I think Witho has earnt another year, but could just delist JJ properly and put Witho on the rookie list if we needed spots
 
I’ve currently got him 28-32. Has a lot of strengths as you’ve mentioned although his kicking is a concern and so is the history with his hip which was published. Hopefully puts on a show against Lalor and co. this weekend.
Is it like to cause him problems during his AFL career?
Hopefully he can tidy up any issues with his kicking.
 

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I haven’t heard about the hip op for Urquart. Sounds concerning that a 17yo needs a hip op.. Do you know what the type and cause of the hip injury was?

I’m lukewarm on Champion too on what I’ve seen. Would like to see more intense defensive pressure from him in the forward 50.

AFL Draft 2024: Luke Urquhart’s remarkable rise following hip surgery puts him on the cusp of AFL dream​

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Hip surgeries are stereotypically reserved for the elderly, not teenage AFL hopefuls.

Yet East Fremantle’s Luke Urquhart has four pins in his hip that had him bed-ridden for eight weeks and sidelined from football for six months.

A talented junior water polo player, Urquhart decided in Year 9 to concentrate on his football.


Less than two years later his fledging career was threatened when he needed a full hip reconstruction, having been diagnosed with hip dysplasia with acetabular retroversion as well as a labrum tear and cam impingement.

Hip surgeries are stereotypically reserved for the elderly, not teenage AFL hopefuls.

Yet East Fremantle’s Luke Urquhart has four pins in his hip that had him bed-ridden for eight weeks and sidelined from football for six months.

A talented junior water polo player, Urquhart decided in Year 9 to concentrate on his football.


Less than two years later his fledging career was threatened when he needed a full hip reconstruction, having been diagnosed with hip dysplasia with acetabular retroversion as well as a labrum tear and cam impingement.

Urquhart, 18, had the surgery in January and missed most of last season for the Sharks, returning in July and only playing six games for the season.

“I would feel a sharp pain down the side of my groin after games, not so much while I was playing,” Urquhart told The West Australian.

“So last year in January I had a massive hip reconstruction. They sawed my pelvis in five places to get my hip back into place.

“I did the rehab well. I was meant to be out for nine months, but I got back in six for my first game of footy.”

Urquhart showed maturity beyond his years, turning his attention to reading and meditation as well as a gruelling three hours a day in rehab during the gruelling ordeal.

“I was either in the pool, meditating, reading or finding something else to get my head straight,” Urquhart said.


“I was doing about three hours of rehab every day and I was bedridden for the first eight weeks from the operation, so I missed about eight weeks of the school term last year.

“I found some stuff to distract me through it, so I wasn’t just thinking about footy and rehab all the time.”

Urquhart didn’t let the significant setback stop him from getting himself ready to put his best foot forward in his draft year.

He put in the extra work over the off-season to get his body back into a position to compete with the best.

“In the off-season, I ran with a national steeplechase group which my good mate runs with and that got me super fit,” Urquhart said.

“I’m down to running a 6min 10sec 2km and I had a good gym program from my physio who did my surgery with me which saw me put on 20kg since my surgery last year.

“My pre-season really set me up for the year, for the form I’m in at the moment, which I think is good at the moment so if I can stay consistent, we’ll see what happens at the end of the year.”


Urquhart’s work paid off in dividends with a blistering start to the colts season with the Sharks, averaging 24 disposals, seven tackles and two goals in his first two games.

The exciting midfield has translated that form into the Under-18 National Championships for WA, being among the best in their two opening games against the Allies and South Australia.

As the stand-in skipper against the Allies, Urquhart had a team-high 21 disposals, seven tackles, three clearances and a goal.

The 18-year-old backed it up in the thumping win over South Australia with 19 touches and a game-high seven clearances to put him on the map of plenty of recruiters.

“Having a strong start to the season really helped me gain confidence, knowing that I can play my best footy against the best people in the state let alone in the championships,” Urquhart said.

“One of the knocks I thought from last year and others had as well was my kicking efficiency, so I’ve been working on that throughout the pre-season.

“Seeing the efficiency going up each week is helping me out a lot.”


Urquhart’s injury last year had him go under the radar to start the year, but the silky mover believes it’s only a positive.

“I saw that as a positive thing because then there’s not everyone expecting me to be something that I’m not or something that I am,” he said.

“I found it a good thing being under the radar so I could just play my footy, concentrate on that and if I do good, I do good but there’s no pressure on me.”

Being a blonde bombshell from East Fremantle it’s unsurprising that Urquhart models his game off Brownlow fancy Chad Warner, who also happens to be a family friend.

“My best footy is playing inside, but I can also play outside and also quite effective as a forward,” he said.

“I’ve been watching Chad Warner a bit, which he’s a family friend … just his burst of speed and his ability to hit the scoreboard.

“We don’t want to talk about footy all the time because at the end of the day that’s his job and what I’m trying to achieve. He told me to just have fun and play to my strengths.”
 
Any interest at all in Clarry? I dont think he goes anywhere but we do have cap space and he could be cheap to trade for, and is still in his prime in terms of age. He might not be a good role model but that might be manageable with enough leadership around.

As a salary dump Clarry could be gotten for a 2nd round pick maybe? Maybe use our F1, F2 and current 2nd rounder in whatever way to get enough assets to trade for Baker, Buss and Clarry

If we added Clarry, Baker, Cumming, English?(maybe not), and maybe 1 more FA(even as depth) while keeping our 1st pick this year and getting in Buss, thats a pretty strong squad all of a sudden assuming Clarry can have a good pre-season and get somewhere close to previous years form.
Perhaps a chance to contend again before Yeo and Gov give it up. If Buss/Bazzo come good quickly then definitely a chance to contend before TB retires.

FB: Hough Barrass Cole
HB: Baker Gov Cumming
C: Ginbey Clarry Chesser
HF: Ryan Allen Cripps
FF: Long Waterman Hewett
R: Flynn Reid Yeo
Int: Kelly Duggan BW/JW Busslinger
Sub: first round pick

with guys like Hunt, Brockman, Maric, Petch, Darling, Jamieson, Bazzo and a bunch of younger guys as depth

Purely for fun but would be a VERY aggressive strategy
Damn! That would be aggressive!
 
Is it like to cause him problems during his AFL career?
Hopefully he can tidy up any issues with his kicking.
It is a concern yes. Kicking is something that can be coached, size and aggression which he and Allan have in spades is harder. Going to be a cracking battle this Saturday.
 

AFL Draft 2024: Luke Urquhart’s remarkable rise following hip surgery puts him on the cusp of AFL dream​

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Hip surgeries are stereotypically reserved for the elderly, not teenage AFL hopefuls.

Yet East Fremantle’s Luke Urquhart has four pins in his hip that had him bed-ridden for eight weeks and sidelined from football for six months.

A talented junior water polo player, Urquhart decided in Year 9 to concentrate on his football.


Less than two years later his fledging career was threatened when he needed a full hip reconstruction, having been diagnosed with hip dysplasia with acetabular retroversion as well as a labrum tear and cam impingement.

Hip surgeries are stereotypically reserved for the elderly, not teenage AFL hopefuls.

Yet East Fremantle’s Luke Urquhart has four pins in his hip that had him bed-ridden for eight weeks and sidelined from football for six months.

A talented junior water polo player, Urquhart decided in Year 9 to concentrate on his football.


Less than two years later his fledging career was threatened when he needed a full hip reconstruction, having been diagnosed with hip dysplasia with acetabular retroversion as well as a labrum tear and cam impingement.

Urquhart, 18, had the surgery in January and missed most of last season for the Sharks, returning in July and only playing six games for the season.

“I would feel a sharp pain down the side of my groin after games, not so much while I was playing,” Urquhart told The West Australian.

“So last year in January I had a massive hip reconstruction. They sawed my pelvis in five places to get my hip back into place.

“I did the rehab well. I was meant to be out for nine months, but I got back in six for my first game of footy.”

Urquhart showed maturity beyond his years, turning his attention to reading and meditation as well as a gruelling three hours a day in rehab during the gruelling ordeal.

“I was either in the pool, meditating, reading or finding something else to get my head straight,” Urquhart said.


“I was doing about three hours of rehab every day and I was bedridden for the first eight weeks from the operation, so I missed about eight weeks of the school term last year.

“I found some stuff to distract me through it, so I wasn’t just thinking about footy and rehab all the time.”

Urquhart didn’t let the significant setback stop him from getting himself ready to put his best foot forward in his draft year.

He put in the extra work over the off-season to get his body back into a position to compete with the best.

“In the off-season, I ran with a national steeplechase group which my good mate runs with and that got me super fit,” Urquhart said.

“I’m down to running a 6min 10sec 2km and I had a good gym program from my physio who did my surgery with me which saw me put on 20kg since my surgery last year.

“My pre-season really set me up for the year, for the form I’m in at the moment, which I think is good at the moment so if I can stay consistent, we’ll see what happens at the end of the year.”


Urquhart’s work paid off in dividends with a blistering start to the colts season with the Sharks, averaging 24 disposals, seven tackles and two goals in his first two games.

The exciting midfield has translated that form into the Under-18 National Championships for WA, being among the best in their two opening games against the Allies and South Australia.

As the stand-in skipper against the Allies, Urquhart had a team-high 21 disposals, seven tackles, three clearances and a goal.

The 18-year-old backed it up in the thumping win over South Australia with 19 touches and a game-high seven clearances to put him on the map of plenty of recruiters.

“Having a strong start to the season really helped me gain confidence, knowing that I can play my best footy against the best people in the state let alone in the championships,” Urquhart said.

“One of the knocks I thought from last year and others had as well was my kicking efficiency, so I’ve been working on that throughout the pre-season.

“Seeing the efficiency going up each week is helping me out a lot.”


Urquhart’s injury last year had him go under the radar to start the year, but the silky mover believes it’s only a positive.

“I saw that as a positive thing because then there’s not everyone expecting me to be something that I’m not or something that I am,” he said.

“I found it a good thing being under the radar so I could just play my footy, concentrate on that and if I do good, I do good but there’s no pressure on me.”

Being a blonde bombshell from East Fremantle it’s unsurprising that Urquhart models his game off Brownlow fancy Chad Warner, who also happens to be a family friend.

“My best footy is playing inside, but I can also play outside and also quite effective as a forward,” he said.

“I’ve been watching Chad Warner a bit, which he’s a family friend … just his burst of speed and his ability to hit the scoreboard.

“We don’t want to talk about footy all the time because at the end of the day that’s his job and what I’m trying to achieve. He told me to just have fun and play to my strengths.”



Sounds not only a very impressive young man and leadership material. He also has a lot of development left with high ceiling



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AFL Draft 2024: Luke Urquhart’s remarkable rise following hip surgery puts him on the cusp of AFL dream​

View attachment 2029337
Hip surgeries are stereotypically reserved for the elderly, not teenage AFL hopefuls.

Yet East Fremantle’s Luke Urquhart has four pins in his hip that had him bed-ridden for eight weeks and sidelined from football for six months.

A talented junior water polo player, Urquhart decided in Year 9 to concentrate on his football.


Less than two years later his fledging career was threatened when he needed a full hip reconstruction, having been diagnosed with hip dysplasia with acetabular retroversion as well as a labrum tear and cam impingement.

Hip surgeries are stereotypically reserved for the elderly, not teenage AFL hopefuls.

Yet East Fremantle’s Luke Urquhart has four pins in his hip that had him bed-ridden for eight weeks and sidelined from football for six months.

A talented junior water polo player, Urquhart decided in Year 9 to concentrate on his football.


Less than two years later his fledging career was threatened when he needed a full hip reconstruction, having been diagnosed with hip dysplasia with acetabular retroversion as well as a labrum tear and cam impingement.

Urquhart, 18, had the surgery in January and missed most of last season for the Sharks, returning in July and only playing six games for the season.

“I would feel a sharp pain down the side of my groin after games, not so much while I was playing,” Urquhart told The West Australian.

“So last year in January I had a massive hip reconstruction. They sawed my pelvis in five places to get my hip back into place.

“I did the rehab well. I was meant to be out for nine months, but I got back in six for my first game of footy.”

Urquhart showed maturity beyond his years, turning his attention to reading and meditation as well as a gruelling three hours a day in rehab during the gruelling ordeal.

“I was either in the pool, meditating, reading or finding something else to get my head straight,” Urquhart said.


“I was doing about three hours of rehab every day and I was bedridden for the first eight weeks from the operation, so I missed about eight weeks of the school term last year.

“I found some stuff to distract me through it, so I wasn’t just thinking about footy and rehab all the time.”

Urquhart didn’t let the significant setback stop him from getting himself ready to put his best foot forward in his draft year.

He put in the extra work over the off-season to get his body back into a position to compete with the best.

“In the off-season, I ran with a national steeplechase group which my good mate runs with and that got me super fit,” Urquhart said.

“I’m down to running a 6min 10sec 2km and I had a good gym program from my physio who did my surgery with me which saw me put on 20kg since my surgery last year.

“My pre-season really set me up for the year, for the form I’m in at the moment, which I think is good at the moment so if I can stay consistent, we’ll see what happens at the end of the year.”


Urquhart’s work paid off in dividends with a blistering start to the colts season with the Sharks, averaging 24 disposals, seven tackles and two goals in his first two games.

The exciting midfield has translated that form into the Under-18 National Championships for WA, being among the best in their two opening games against the Allies and South Australia.

As the stand-in skipper against the Allies, Urquhart had a team-high 21 disposals, seven tackles, three clearances and a goal.

The 18-year-old backed it up in the thumping win over South Australia with 19 touches and a game-high seven clearances to put him on the map of plenty of recruiters.

“Having a strong start to the season really helped me gain confidence, knowing that I can play my best footy against the best people in the state let alone in the championships,” Urquhart said.

“One of the knocks I thought from last year and others had as well was my kicking efficiency, so I’ve been working on that throughout the pre-season.

“Seeing the efficiency going up each week is helping me out a lot.”


Urquhart’s injury last year had him go under the radar to start the year, but the silky mover believes it’s only a positive.

“I saw that as a positive thing because then there’s not everyone expecting me to be something that I’m not or something that I am,” he said.

“I found it a good thing being under the radar so I could just play my footy, concentrate on that and if I do good, I do good but there’s no pressure on me.”

Being a blonde bombshell from East Fremantle it’s unsurprising that Urquhart models his game off Brownlow fancy Chad Warner, who also happens to be a family friend.

“My best footy is playing inside, but I can also play outside and also quite effective as a forward,” he said.

“I’ve been watching Chad Warner a bit, which he’s a family friend … just his burst of speed and his ability to hit the scoreboard.

“We don’t want to talk about footy all the time because at the end of the day that’s his job and what I’m trying to achieve. He told me to just have fun and play to my strengths.”
Don't draft him with a high pick. Might play 100 games.

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Agree with all but the older players bit.
At this early stage of the rebuild any older players we get will either be gone or on the end of career downhill spiral by the time we are even close to contending. That means that any price paid has been wasted (picks, players) and the opportunity to get games into younger players will have been missed.

Warner is an older player than a 18 yr old draftee.

Im not talking about trading good picks old players who wont be around when the kids peak.

Busslinger is an older player.
 
I would be very surprised if H Edwards isn't at the club in some form next year. We put in the years of development, have him learn off Gov and Barrass, endure a bit of injury, send him to qatar and now get to a position where he's one of our best performing players in the Beagles...then cut him right when your hoping your investment is about to pay dividends? I don't see it. I think there would be other clubs prepared to give him a go if we didn't. The problem he has is that a regular game likely isn't available while gov and barrass are there.
 
I would be very surprised if H Edwards isn't at the club in some form next year. We put in the years of development, have him learn off Gov and Barrass, endure a bit of injury, send him to qatar and now get to a position where he's one of our best performing players in the Beagles...then cut him right when your hoping your investment is about to pay dividends? I don't see it. I think there would be other clubs prepared to give him a go if we didn't. The problem he has is that a regular game likely isn't available while gov and barrass are there.
If he wants to play regular AFL games he should seek a trade to a team looking for KPD. He is performing good enough to be a regular AFL player currently.
 
Would be ideal to have our head recruiter in Vic (or WA) you'd think.

Interesting that I've (we've) pretty much never heard McPhee mentioned (or seen him amongst the recruiters on draft night etc from what I can recall?)

Would be nice if the club would publicise who our main recruiting team actually is tbh, ala the coaching panel.
I'm not concerned about it, think we've established a very solid network in Victoria and WA.
I'd go as far to say we've had the best network for years, especially for a non vic side.
We are well represented in Vic.
 
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