List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

[Keys]

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[Keys]

Nothing groundbreaking in here but it’s a reasonable summary

 

[new breed]

Tricky situation with Barrass , happens each season maybe the coach moving on changes things ..
Would be very handy at a few clubs contending , been a star this season.

 

[18082015]

Barrass is contracted so we have the whip hand.
It needs to be a really good deal for us.
If its for Hawthorn's first pick (maybe something going back) thats fine
Likely to be a 8-12 pick so thats about right.
And i would not use that for Baker.

I'm of the opinion that Barrass is an excellent interceptor / defender but not a great kick / rebounder.

I also think we need to do our best to fix our midfield first, rather than worrying about stopping the 60-70 inside 50's we are conceding.

 

[BeornJ]

We don’t have room for any Irishmen as our Cat B list is full with Dewar and Livingstone

What about a scot or 2?

 

[Bender_]

Barrass for Busslinger and a second round pick or Bulldogs can GTFO.

 

[bzparkes]

As an Eagles fan who sits in the stands of the Gabba to watch the Lions every odd week, you don’t want another McKenna. Butchers the ball in the corridor and is a poor defender.

Irishman are not going to be our saving grace here… if anything, a cherry on top.


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You aren't the bloke who walks around Kangaroo point wearing an Eagles Guernsey every day, by any chance?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Back where? we can’t get much worse… give me a guy who can play fullback one on one , doesn’t try and mark everything and has some mobility when the ball hits the ground and decent disposal.


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We have clearly improved this season . Just look at our percentage. We had 14 10 goals + losses last season 7 of those 100+ points 1 was 171points .

Our key backs have been very good this season . Mcgovern and barrass . Even Hedwards has done well .

We had walker kick 10 on us last season and curnow kicked 9 then 10 .

I don't see the point of robbing Peter ( the backline) to pay Paul ( midfield)

We will get a top 3 pick plus Hewett back who is like another first rounder .

I would rather trade ryan

 

[stallon]

Keeping barrass and not getting pumped by 100 puts regularly could be the difference in Reid staying and going .

I would rather beg the afl for a priority picks

Why cant we do both

 

[stallon]

We have clearly improved this season . Just look at our percentage. We had 14 10 goals + losses last season 7 of those 100+ points 1 was 171points .

Our key backs have been very good this season . Mcgovern and barrass . Even Hedwards has done well .

We can only play 2 maybe a 3rd KPD in any game.
Gov will play when fit.
HEdwards needs to get regular games or we will lose him as he asks for a trade.
Bazzo needs games. Hes not a skinny teenager anymore, when hes fit hes in.
Cant play those 3 all with Barrass

Same situation with our forward line with the talk of trading out Waterman

We had walker kick 10 on us last season and curnow kicked 9 then 10 .

I don't see the point of robbing Peter ( the backline) to pay Paul ( midfield)

We have capable cover in the backline, we can absolutely cover Barrass going.
We have a pressing need for more mids.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul isnt quite a relevant saying here

We will get a top 3 pick plus Hewett back who is like another first rounder .

I would rather trade ryan

Do both

 

[maverick001]

Eagles best successful teams always had good , dominant ruck combinations we need to improve the ruck stocks, I think we have some quality in Barnett and Livingstone but further improvement in English would help a lot if Bulldogs don't match .

Like Paul Harding in 1992 & Ryan Turnball in 1994????

Or Lycett & Vardy in 2018.

Only one of our flags has had a standout ruckman, Cox. The others don't even approach standout.

That said, I'm for getting English

 

[Patron]

Based on the most recent rumours, here's a semi realistic off season.

Assumed current ladder positions:
2024 - 3, 23, 59

Priority picks awarded in line with North precedent:
Get 2025, F2, F3 - which must be traded.
2025 - F1, F2, F2PP, F3, F3PP, F4

Rejig rucks:
1. Sign English (cap space)
2. Trade B Williams to Melbourne for pick 38.

Sell Seniors:
3. Trade Barrass + F2PP to Dogs for 2025 F1, Busslinger.
4. Trade Ryan (with Salary), Dogs 2025 F1, F3PP, to GC for pick 8, 20.

2024 - 3, 8, 20, 23, 38, 59

Should net us something like Draper (Top Tier Mid), Travaglia (Top Tier HBF), Moraes (Good Wing Type), Dodson (Developing Ruck), then enough points for champion or another swing at 38 if he goes late.

2025 - F1, F2, F3, F4 (all picks intact).

2025 Starting Lineup Looks something like
FB: Duggan (28) H Edwards (24) Gov (33)
HB: Hough (22) Busslinger (21) Travaglia (19)
C: Hunt (30) Yeo (31) Chesser (22)
HF: Brockman (22) Allen (26) Hewett (21)
FF: J Williams (21) Waterman (27) Long (20)

R: English (27) Kelly (30) Harley (20)

Int: Maric (20) Ginbey (20), Draper (19), Cole (28)

Depth: Cripps, Moraes, Bazzo, Flynn, Hutchinson, Petch, J Culley, A Reid.

Would happily see all of the following off our list delisted, token traded, or paid out this year/next.

Gaff, Darling, Sheed, Rotham, Witherden, Jones, Jamieson, L Edwards, Trew.

 

[Dale Doback]

Hopefully Clarke gets aggressive and swings some trades. This is his first crack at the list. I'd trade anyone over 26 who has currency, including TB and Waterman. Not getting anything more than a 3rd rounder for blokes like Darling and B Williams but it does add up.

 

[Keys]

Hopefully Clarke gets aggressive and swings some trades. This is his first crack at the list. I'd trade anyone over 26 who has currency, including TB and Waterman. Not getting anything more than a 3rd rounder for blokes like Darling and B Williams but it does add up.

Anyone over 26 who has currency means -

McGovern
Cripps
Darling
Yeo
Kelly
Hunt
Barrass
Ryan
Duggan
Cole
Flynn
Waterman
Witherden

That’s 13 players and doesn’t include Gaff, Sheed, Rotham or Jones who aren’t likely to have any currency

And I assume English wouldn’t be a target since he’s over 26. Ditto Baker

That’s a fair chunk of our list being traded, most of whom have contracts so we’d somehow have to get them to agree to any trade

And we’d have to renegotiate some contracts because we’d have to pay the players left behind up to 95% of the salary cap and those traded out probably account for >70% of our current cap

It’s a bold strategy I’ll give you that

 

[Keys]

And this would be the team left behind excluding 2024 draftees or players under 26 traded in

FB: Hough HEdwards Jamieson
HB: Johnston Bazzo Ginbey
R: BWilliams Trew Hewett
C: Chesser Reid Maric
HF: Petruccelle Allen Hutchinson
FF: Brockman JWilliams Long
I/C: LEdwards A Reid Hall Dewar Culley

EM: Rawlinson Baker Livingstone Barnett Burgiel

Should be competitive

 

[Wooshaaaa]

If Reid decided to go, it'd be mostly for other reasons, because he'll get a shit ton more money at WCE and teams don't stay down forever.

History is littered with players who left to chase flags and ended up missing out with their old team winning.

Barrass moving on will expediate the process, keeping him delays it

Short term pain, long term gain.

Chris Judd. Could've played for us in the 2015 grand final!

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[Ambrose Burnside]

Should have traded JK in 2016 when he peaked and we were on a downward trend. Spud.

 

[ziad]

Like Paul Harding in 1992 & Ryan Turnball in 1994????

Or Lycett & Vardy in 2018.

Only one of our flags has had a standout ruckman, Cox. The others don't even approach standout.

That said, I'm for getting English

English is - well I am not sure. He isn't a Paul harding or Lysett or Vardy. a soft cox at best

 

[ziad]

Anyone over 26 who has currency means -

McGovern
Cripps
Darling
Yeo
Kelly
Hunt
Barrass
Ryan
Duggan
Cole
Flynn
Waterman
Witherden

That’s 13 players and doesn’t include Gaff, Sheed, Rotham or Jones who aren’t likely to have any currency

And I assume English wouldn’t be a target since he’s over 26. Ditto Baker

That’s a fair chunk of our list being traded, most of whom have contracts so we’d somehow have to get them to agree to any trade

And we’d have to renegotiate some contracts because we’d have to pay the players left behind up to 95% of the salary cap and those traded out probably account for >70% of our current cap

It’s a bold strategy I’ll give you that

For quite a few, you are using the term currency in its broadest sence.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

As an Eagles fan who sits in the stands of the Gabba to watch the Lions every odd week, you don’t want another McKenna. Butchers the ball in the corridor and is a poor defender.

Irishman are not going to be our saving grace here… if anything, a cherry on top.


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They're a free hit. Cat b rookie allows teams to add a mature body onto the list without a need for trading or draft picks. Conner Nash is going alright for the Hawks!

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[Happy Mastenator]

Based on the most recent rumours, here's a semi realistic off season.

Assumed current ladder positions:
2024 - 3, 23, 59

Priority picks awarded in line with North precedent:
Get 2025, F2, F3 - which must be traded.
2025 - F1, F2, F2PP, F3, F3PP, F4

Rejig rucks:
1. Sign English (cap space)
2. Trade B Williams to Melbourne for pick 38.

Sell Seniors:
3. Trade Barrass + F2PP to Dogs for 2025 F1, Busslinger.
4. Trade Ryan (with Salary), Dogs 2025 F1, F3PP, to GC for pick 8, 20.

2024 - 3, 8, 20, 23, 38, 59

Should net us something like Draper (Top Tier Mid), Travaglia (Top Tier HBF), Moraes (Good Wing Type), Dodson (Developing Ruck), then enough points for champion or another swing at 38 if he goes late.

2025 - F1, F2, F3, F4 (all picks intact).

2025 Starting Lineup Looks something like
FB: Duggan (28) H Edwards (24) Gov (33)
HB: Hough (22) Busslinger (21) Travaglia (19)
C: Hunt (30) Yeo (31) Chesser (22)
HF: Brockman (22) Allen (26) Hewett (21)
FF: J Williams (21) Waterman (27) Long (20)

R: English (27) Kelly (30) Harley (20)

Int: Maric (20) Ginbey (20), Draper (19), Cole (28)

Depth: Cripps, Moraes, Bazzo, Flynn, Hutchinson, Petch, J Culley, A Reid.

Would happily see all of the following off our list delisted, token traded, or paid out this year/next.

Gaff, Darling, Sheed, Rotham, Witherden, Jones, Jamieson, L Edwards, Trew.

Sell Seniors:
3. Trade Barrass + F2PP to Dogs for 2025 F1, Busslinger.

So basically you're trading Barass for the Dogs F1 (our F2PP for Busslinger is about right), when they will probably be pretty bloody good? No thanks

4. Trade Ryan (with Salary), Dogs 2025 F1, F3PP, to GC for pick 8, 20.

Based on the above, you've now traded Liam Ryan, Tom Barass and as F3 for pick 8 and 20. What a shitty shitty deal.

 

[dinnaz]

I get that we are lacking quality, but little to work with in regards to young stocks?

Half our list is under 22yo. Some of those will be gone this off-season, others won’t make it, but you’d hope around half turn into 1st team regulars.

Add some free agents, a high draft choice (or two/three if we split and/or trade guys out) potentially some players traded in (Garcia, Baker, others). It’s not a ‘finals bound 2025’ list but certainly something that a good coach could shape over a couple of seasons to be competitive.

If potential coaches want to read the lazy media, not assess the list and players and just agree that the rebuild is now at day 1 then we are better off without them. Those who can identify the 10-12 young guys (outside of Reid) who have AFL attributes that they have shown in glimpses - and articulate how they think they can unlock the potential to have it shown more consistently are the ones who should progress into later stages of our search.

Most rebuilds (3 years at the bottom) have 50% of the list in place already.

As of 2021 we literally had O Allen, Waterman, Duggan as those who we could bank on being around in 2027- 2028 when we hit finals again.

We were so far back with pure number of actual playable footballers.

Well they might have been taken around where they were rated but someone didn’t do their homework or put their thinking cap on.

Bulk recruiting failures are a major reason the club is in such dire straits.

Burgiel went a little higher than he should have. Mainly because of xxxtra pace.

Barnett around the mark with a few other clubs hoping to trade up and grab him.

If we bust on some decent picks that's just the game. However when we try to pull something out of our ass, or just make straight up bad choices and it inevitably fails then that can't be excused.

 

[ltoom]

Based on the most recent rumours, here's a semi realistic off season.

Assumed current ladder positions:
2024 - 3, 23, 59

Priority picks awarded in line with North precedent:
Get 2025, F2, F3 - which must be traded.
2025 - F1, F2, F2PP, F3, F3PP, F4

Rejig rucks:
1. Sign English (cap space)
2. Trade B Williams to Melbourne for pick 38.

Sell Seniors:
3. Trade Barrass + F2PP to Dogs for 2025 F1, Busslinger.
4. Trade Ryan (with Salary), Dogs 2025 F1, F3PP, to GC for pick 8, 20.

2024 - 3, 8, 20, 23, 38, 59

Should net us something like Draper (Top Tier Mid), Travaglia (Top Tier HBF), Moraes (Good Wing Type), Dodson (Developing Ruck), then enough points for champion or another swing at 38 if he goes late.

2025 - F1, F2, F3, F4 (all picks intact).

2025 Starting Lineup Looks something like
FB: Duggan (28) H Edwards (24) Gov (33)
HB: Hough (22) Busslinger (21) Travaglia (19)
C: Hunt (30) Yeo (31) Chesser (22)
HF: Brockman (22) Allen (26) Hewett (21)
FF: J Williams (21) Waterman (27) Long (20)

R: English (27) Kelly (30) Harley (20)

Int: Maric (20) Ginbey (20), Draper (19), Cole (28)

Depth: Cripps, Moraes, Bazzo, Flynn, Hutchinson, Petch, J Culley, A Reid.

Would happily see all of the following off our list delisted, token traded, or paid out this year/next.

Gaff, Darling, Sheed, Rotham, Witherden, Jones, Jamieson, L Edwards, Trew.

Hopefully in the trade scenario you at least have the bulldogs buying us dinner first

 

[Obeanie1]

So the journo pile on has started with English. The latecomers quoting other journo's speculation.

It does match the info I was told that a family member mentioned a move back home was on the cards.

Still won't believe it till it happens.

Holding out this late in a season is an indicator of sorts though.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Anyone over 26 who has currency means -

McGovern
Cripps
Darling
Yeo
Kelly
Hunt
Barrass
Ryan
Duggan
Cole
Flynn
Waterman
Witherden

That’s 13 players and doesn’t include Gaff, Sheed, Rotham or Jones who aren’t likely to have any currency

And I assume English wouldn’t be a target since he’s over 26. Ditto Baker

That’s a fair chunk of our list being traded, most of whom have contracts so we’d somehow have to get them to agree to any trade

And we’d have to renegotiate some contracts because we’d have to pay the players left behind up to 95% of the salary cap and those traded out probably account for >70% of our current cap

It’s a bold strategy I’ll give you that

I don't think he meant trade everyone out all at once, he just meant none of them should be off limits or priced out of a trade if there's interest.

That said, Gov, Cripps, Darling, Hunt, Yeo, and Kelly wouldn't be tradeable because of age, recently signed contracts or non-negotiable desire to stay in WA coupled with a rumoured hatred of all things Freo.
Flynn has no currency and with his injury history I would say no interest. Witherden would have no currency either.

Which leaves Duggan, Cole, Barrass, Ryan & Waterman.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Why cant we do both

With a deep draft the Priority picks would be enough to maybe get a non free agent player and hold enough picks for the draft .
Get a free agent or 2 and repeat next year .
McGovern is injury prone . Guys like hedwards and bazzo are also injury prone .

Getting rid of barrass would mean we need to factor in a replacement too.

People want to gut the list and replace them with a bunch of non best 22 guys from other clubs and rookies .

That's the norf approach.