List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

  Age

  25

  Ht

  176cm

  Wt

  77kg

  Pos.

  M/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  12.3

  3star

  K

  6.9

  3star

  HB

  5.4

  4star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  2.9

  4star

  CL

  1.4

  4star

  D

  12.7

  3star

  K

  9.2

  4star

  HB

  3.5

  2star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  2.7

  4star

  CL

  1.8

  4star

  D

  9.2

  3star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  4.6

  4star

  M

  2.0

  3star

  T

  2.6

  4star

  CL

  0.0

  1star

  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Tigers board seems to think we’re heavily into Jacob Blight who only signed a 6 month contract and has been performing very well in the VFL.

I don’t mind it.

Might be quicker to list the Tigers players we’re not into, at this rate.

 

[dinnaz]

"Best Available" is such a misnomer anyway.

The reality is that beyond the first couple of picks there are usually Tiers. See your helpful list below.

Say you're picking at pick 6, if you think that Windsor/Curtin/Caddy/O'Sullivan are all much of a muchness, you pick for need (I need a key forward i'm taking Caddy). What you don't do, is at pick 3 reach for Caddy, you take one of Durrsma/Watson/Sanders.

I'd also factor in the safety of the pick:
Your best performed midfielders are going to at least be playable somewhere for 150 odd games. Talls are a lot more speculative.
Both went at #5:
Solid Parish vs Inconsistent Stringer
Stringer will win a match on his day, but Parish contributes more over the season

A team effort:
Last year I thought that there was a pretty clear cut order of those listed even amongst that top tier. I'm sure everyone has their own opinions and recruiting departments will naturally differ on how they see these rankings as well. Split the difference by taking the position of "need".
I had of those listed above:
O'Sullivan, Caddy, Curtin
<TIER>
Watson, Windsor


Melbourne in 2019 were instructed by the coaching department to take a small fwd.
#3 Jackson. "best available"
#12 Pickett "need"

In 2020 they were looking for good kicks
#21 Bowey "foot skills"
#22 Laurie "smarts and skills"

At #34 There was debate over Carroll (mid) or Rosman (tall) and they went for the list balance in taking Rosman as an (injured) upside pick rather than Carroll who was seen as a solid player.


If you were to rank each draft with a list of best players in order it would be wildly different to where picks are actually taken and Melbourne went early on most of these in order to fulfil their requirements.

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

This is your home, briztoon.

 

[Ishmael_]

Depends how good your arse looks in scrunch-bum yoga pants.

Devastatingly, not as pert as it used to be. But I think I could still rock some koh-something, 'find myself pants'.

 

[dinnaz]

I can.

But to be fair I think he had a lot of injuries issues during his time with us and never got a good run at it and would have been a brave man to give him a shot in that circumstance.

Went pretty darn well at Colts level and played Reserves too.

 

[DanWCE]

Token pick for Luke Parker

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Luke Parker

Age

31

Ht

183cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.2

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.8

5star

D

22.1

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

9.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

5.0

5star

CL

5.5

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

8.0

5star

CL

5.2

5star

?

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

After this performance on the weekend he finally got a call up to play for the senior WAFL West Perth team and it only took Kayle dominating the comp for weeks on end. In this game he was again best on ground, getting shaded in the hit outs but consistently causing damage post stoppage with his power and skills on the spread. The big thing we've been seeing more often in recent weeks is his contested marking with him regularly pulling down a couple of impressive plucks each week now.

We await this weekends game now with baited breath. A strong debut WAFL performance as a key forward and Kayle might fly up draft boards. There are several teams with top 10 picks that are hungry for a key forward and there isn't much Kayle can't do.

Anyone watching this game keep a eye out for West Perth 26
I call him silk his name is Sam Swadling he is who we need to draft next year
Going to be a very good AFL wingman
Dual footed elite kick and extreme speed endurance combo

 

[BartBart]

Look the apologies in advance is really nice, but you really didn't say that you come in peace.

"We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill"

 

[eaglespremiers]

series XH497XB

The new Sony OLED?

 

[eaglespremiers]

This is your home, briztoon.

 

[BartBart]

I note Barrass got to 150 games (Life Membership) before been injured / sitting out / being sat out.

 

[twce13]

Can’t believe we had Martin training with us and we couldn’t see his talent.

Meh not losing sleep over that one.
His disposal, particularly under pressure is quite poor.

Whilst he has nice stats, he's more role player then game breaker. And yeah he would prob be best 22, but I don't think his ability or skillset is a rare commodity.

 

[twce13]

Teams do NOT take best available talent in the NFL draft. Even in the top 5 picks, teams draft for positions of need. This year’s NFL draft was bonkers, with teams drafting consensus second round talents in the top 10 picks, because there was a run on quarterbacks. Then there were top 15 rated kids lasting to the mid second round, because they were cornerbacks.

Was going to say similar. NFL teams greatest ability to beat the cap is to hit on early draft picks. Highly valued positions like QB (especially), DE, WR and OLINE are frequently taking higher then their grading and typically the best RB, LB, safetys etc will slide big-time.

Understand what your saying regarding CBs (my new Orleans beneficiary of one of said sliders on Koolaid), but this years draft seemed to be an exception to the rule, as typically another highly rated and over drafted position.

This is a byproduct of the nature of NFL tho. Coaches and GMs are a bad season away from the hot seat in America and can't afford to go into a season with holes. Afl is incredibly patient in comparison and hence I think a far better environment to go best available.

 

[briztoon]

I've probably missed the last 100 pages or so.

Is there any consensus on who you all prefer at your first pick?



p.s. #SidDraper4WestCoast

 

[briztoon]

Was going to say similar. NFL teams greatest ability to beat the cap is to hit on early draft picks. Highly valued positions like QB (especially), DE, WR and OLINE are frequently taking higher then their grading and typically the best RB, LB, safetys etc will slide big-time.

Understand what your saying regarding CBs (my new Orleans beneficiary of one of said sliders on Koolaid), but this years draft seemed to be an exception to the rule, as typically another highly rated and over drafted position.

Eagles fan. We doubled up on top rated CB's who slid this year.

 

[twce13]

Eagles fan. We doubled up on top rated CB's who slid this year.

Yeah the secondary an obvious weakness at philly. And maybe the coach ?

 

[ronpingwins]

I've probably missed the last 100 pages or so.

Is there any consensus on who you all prefer at your first pick?



p.s. #SidDraper4WestCoast

Consensus seems to be trade back for Baker and take Bo Allan.

 

[eaglevision]

Consensus seems to be trade back for Baker and take Bo Allan.

I’d literally vomit.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Is there any consensus on who you all prefer at your first pick?

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Was going to say similar. NFL teams greatest ability to beat the cap is to hit on early draft picks. Highly valued positions like QB (especially), DE, WR and OLINE are frequently taking higher then their grading and typically the best RB, LB, safetys etc will slide big-time.

Understand what your saying regarding CBs (my new Orleans beneficiary of one of said sliders on Koolaid), but this years draft seemed to be an exception to the rule, as typically another highly rated and over drafted position.

This is a byproduct of the nature of NFL tho. Coaches and GMs are a bad season away from the hot seat in America and can't afford to go into a season with holes. Afl is incredibly patient in comparison and hence I think a far better environment to go best available.

I did sort of agree with going “best available” but if the best available is a HR then sure we’d go with two Harleys.But if the best was an 8/10th Harley I’d go a pick that got the best defensive mid available.We can’t have all our mids HR,Yo,TK being attacking .All or nothing.
We want a hard running,hard tackling defensive mid.He May not be the best player available but will be the best of his type in the top dozen.

 

[Bender_]

RIP this thread, the last 100 pages were bliss.

 

[Wormkilla]

Straight swap for Grainger-Barrass. Hopefully. We might have to throw in a sweetener.

Genuinely wouldn’t surprise me if our current list managers did this

 

[twce13]

Genuinely wouldn’t surprise me if our current list managers did this

Based on what? It's literally his first year in the role..

 

[ghostbat12]

Tigers board seems to think we’re heavily into Jacob Blight who only signed a 6 month contract and has been performing very well in the VFL.

I don’t mind it.

Hmmm dunno. Has the vic media speculated yet on how many top 10 picks draft picks he is worth? If so, he is on his way.

 

[ghostbat12]

Am I missing something with Houston?

Fantastic kick of the footy and an AA selection, buy in what world is he worth more than a mid first rounder at best?

27, all Australian, good player.

Mid first rounder is say pick 8-13. Hmmm. He is better than 2x pick 18’s. Tough one. Not worth 2x top 10s.