List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

[Keys]

Quick links

• Player contract status
• Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)
• AFL retirements and delistings
• Provisional 2025 Draft order

---

Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Dark Sharks]

Barrass is basically 50

 

[Bacchus]

Barrass is basically 50

Why stop there.

 

[JackOutback]

Why stop there.

 

[bombard]

I coach junior and women's soccer.

Believe me, there's still a lot of angry, frustrated men working out their issues on the sideline every weekend.

Mate, he king hit a bloke. Sure he was just a kid, but that was wild. I did omit that the coach also stayed with him and talked with him (note, didn't yell at him) throughout. He wasn't eviscerated by any means (and, if memory serves, he came out for the hand shakes and apologised). I'm not sure what else you do in that moment? Keep him on the field?

Anyway, wildly off topic I know, so to conclude: parents and kids sports be wild.

 

[Astro7]

I coach junior and women's soccer.

Believe me, there's still a lot of angry, frustrated men working out their issues on the sideline every weekend.

Absolutely. Back when our son was playing junior school footy I was astonished by the amount of feral parents and their abusive behaviour towards coaches and oppo teams. Even some coaches swearing and abusing the oppo/parents, such was their competitive drive - at junior school footy!? Mum's are just as bad too.

 

[Astro7]

Barrass is basically 50

Will be soon...

 

[bombard]

Absolutely. Back when our son was playing junior school footy I was astonished by the amount of feral parents and their abusive behaviour towards coaches and oppo teams. Even some coaches swearing and abusing the oppo/parents, such was their competitive drive - at junior school footy!? Mum's are just as bad too.

I was a hockey umpire for a bit many years ago as a teenager. The antics from parents were insane

 

[Slash136]

Probably the same way it looks when you let Barrass go for not giving him a 100k increase
if its about getting assets then this is exactly the same.

In a perfect world we would have both but when you are where our teams are you need to grab any opportunity you can

Would be better for everyone if you kept him for another year then we give him a front loaded band1 offer. Better pick for you next year than you would get off us this year.

 

[shooshka]

The AFL set a rod for it's own back with McKay. They wanted North to have that band 1 compo in lieu of giving them priority picks, so they set the benchmark to ensure it happened. So we now have players who have never been AA, and wouldn't be considered top 10 for their position are getting Band 1. Just diabolical.

Yeah but they went out of their way to explain that the ‘formula’ was based on 2023 and historic wages, even though the first wage McKay was to be paid by the bombers was under the 2024 and onwards cap (after a significant increase).

It was blatant manipulation, but not the first and will not be the last time.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Matera92]

I don't see how we get a single 1st round pick for Barrass because he turns 40 in ten years

Only a third rounder because he'll be dead in 75 years.

 

[THE_GUN]

Would be better for everyone if you kept him for another year then we give him a front loaded band1 offer. Better pick for you next year than you would get off us this year.

I agree but we need to get matty Clarke to take the contract offer off the table to convince Baker

 

[Bender_]

Only a third rounder because he'll be dead in 75 years.

Pretty sure they had this one on McClure's graphic about how old West Coast players will be in 75 years.

 

[THE_GUN]

Yeah but they went out of their way to explain that the ‘formula’ was based on 2023 and historic wages, even though the first wage McKay was to be paid by the bombers was under the 2024 and onwards cap (after a significant increase).

It was blatant manipulation, but not the first and will not be the last time.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

Thats why the eagles and tigers should manipulate the system

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Thats why the eagles and tigers should manipulate the system

Not sure what planet you're living on but the AFL will step in if they think we are gaming the system. They have a broad discretion.

 

[PepperTom32]

My junior football club was fun and didn’t make all of the kids despise showing up, but what I wouldn’t have given for someone five times my age to scream at me. It would have made the XL Killer Python taste all the better, knowing I’d actually earned it.

Aw dude change back your profile GIF, I love see Harley putting those blokes one their arse. Never gets old

 

[briztoon]

Completely agree with you here, was just something that came up in an unrelated conversation with someone when trying to dig for information about the coaching job.



Not too much really.

Swans are trying to shop P.Ladhams to us, no idea if there is interest.

They also want nothing less than a 2nd rounder for A.Sheldrick, although it appears he's not interested anyway. Was an insinuation that if D.Cox took the coaching job, Sheldrick would follow.

Club still seems keen on D.Robertson as well for reasons unknown.

Leadership, character. A Ben Keays type.

Someone who will win one game a season for you, purely through running harder and longer than everyone else.

Uncertainty over the coaching role is definitely impacting the willingness of players to come across.

 

[twce13]

Thats why the eagles and tigers should manipulate the system

lets pretend eagles do your idea and give graham 950k a season.

no doubt tigers would be happy, you get a pick 2 and no further consequences.

Now aside from the acquisition of graham and baker, imagine any other player on our list in the future using graham as a benchmark for their worth. It would have long lasting impact and do immense damage to our ability to keep players and keep the harmony on the list.

A truly awful idea.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Aw dude change back your profile GIF, I love see Harley putting those blokes one their arse. Never gets old

View attachment 1979661View attachment 1979664

Feel free to make it your own, long live the 7/8 fend by 9.

 

[shooshka]

Thats why the eagles and tigers should manipulate the system

It is already happening. Graham isn’t worth band 2 or 3 (same pick anyway in reality) - but if he decides to head west that will be the compo.

I know you may want band 1, but that just isn’t happening (would destroy what is left of the Eagles culture). But I think there will be a private recognition that the Eagles have stepped in to bump the compo pick up a band… and probably a public whinge about Baker going for ‘significant unders’ so there is no accusation of tampering.

22 + 24, or say 15-17 range + 39. In an even draft option 1 seems better.

That’s even if the Eagles are willing to offer a 2024 pick. We are in the same position as the Tigers, needing to maximise our draft hand prior to Tassie joining. We may say F2 or bust.




On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[swingdog]

Absolutely. Back when our son was playing junior school footy I was astonished by the amount of feral parents and their abusive behaviour towards coaches and oppo teams. Even some coaches swearing and abusing the oppo/parents, such was their competitive drive - at junior school footy!? Mum's are just as bad too.

The worst part is it gets normalised in the kids.

One coached yelled at one of his 17 year old strikers, who missed a shot on goal: "I can't believe you ****ing missed that!"

Our girls were talking amongst themselves on the field, saying "you can't say that" and one of theirs piped up "don't shit talk our coach."

 

[TY24]

Leadership, character. A Ben Keays type.

Someone who will win one game a season for you, purely through running harder and longer than everyone else.

I mean this sincerely, what's stopping him getting a game with you guys if he has these qualities?

 

[THE A5]

Barrass is basically 50

Keys is basically 80

 

[Dark Sharks]

Keys is basically 80

Ben Keays? Yes.

Keyser on the other hand is 91yo

 

[maverick001]

Excuse the intrusion but i posted similar thoughts on our board

e.g Eagles have made Graham a 4 year deal on say $500k a year
Richmond has matched and lets say increased the offer to $650k x 4 years
Eagles feel that he is a great leader and the perfect fit culturally to lead younger player based on your list managers advise
Decide to up Graham contract to $950k x 4 years ensuring Band 1 for Richmond

Richmond & Eagles cannot agree on a suitable trade for Baker eagles offer F2 and Richmond rightfully reject and demand #12 you get from the Hawks. this goes on until the last day and AFL get called into mediate
No success and Richmond walk out of the negotiations and trade period ends
Baker enters the PSD withonly wanting to go to the eagles

Win / Win just costs West Coast $400k a year more for Graham contract

If Frawley & McKay & Battle get Band 1 no reason to think Graham cant

* Probably let Blight just leave as a delisted free agent as well

Jon Ralph is that you?

Complete insanity

 

[Godfather32]

Kids these days. They don't know how unlucky they are not to have some alcoholic father yell at them for being shit, as he takes it out on them that he works in a dead end job and didn't make it to the AFL, despite being 5"8, having no discernible athletic traits and being overweight since he was in primary school.

After going to a couple of my nephew's footy games recently I 100% reckon parents are a lot more feral now at kids sport than back when I was playing junior sport in the late 80s/early 90s.
Some of the shit they were yelling a few weeks ago at the umpire in a game for 11 year olds was ****ing terrible