List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

[Keys]

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[ziad]

If we want to trade for quality players you have to give quality in return.
The only players that might be tradeable are Allen, Ryan and Waterman.
Freo have accumulated a lot of first rounders in this draft.
If they land Bolton,Baker Warner & Pickett they will have built themselves a formidable team.
If we don't strengthen our hand at the next 2 drafts we wont be able to fast track our rebuild.
The Dockers supporters will be unbearable for many years.
Cop that !!!

I guess you get what you pay for in the long run

 

[BSD]

28, -, 53, 20.

Higher average in the last two seasons than Pickett’s best ever, has also missed a hell of a lot of time. Why the comparison?

Are you talking about goals per season or per games played. They've both scored 73 goals in the last 2 yrs Pickett scored 81 in the first 2 yrs and Oscar 28. Oscar is a lot more injury prone.

 

[BSD]

IF Graham is netting them pick 22 then that helps get Baker for cheaper.

They are crazy if Pick 12 and 22 is going their way for Baker & Graham.

Isn't Graham a free agent ?

 

[Chris_6678]

Cripps comes across as the kind of guy to not make a fuss for a sendoff game so it wouldn't Suprise me if he did hang the boots up.

 

[Chris_6678]

Isn't Graham a free agent ?

He is but they are under the impression he nets them a compo pick of 22.

 

[noobermensch]

A minor tragedy occurred in this game. Through one and a bit quarters of football we'd been treated to one of the best head to head battles of the year between Lindsay and Langford, directly matched up on each other in the middle and each at the absolute top of their game. Unfortunately we lost Xavier to a suspected PCL injury, cutting short the spectacle and probably cutting short his season given how few weeks we have remaining.

In his one quarter and 4 mins of play Lindsay racked up 11 disposals and 5 clearances showing just how hot a start he'd made.

 

[Barrybran]

Fox Footy pushing for 6 AND 20 for Dan Rioli, and think Freo will give up Pick 10 for Liam Baker. Bloody hell.

****ing Jon Ralph!

I expect Richmond to be able to get 13, 20 and 26 for Rioli. Way overpriced but will come with pick swaps. It makes no sense for Gold Coast to give up pick 6.

Even Fremantle aren't mad enough to give up pick 10 for Baker. They could get him as part of 9 + 17 with something minor going back to Richmond instead of something minor coming back to Freo without Baker.

That leaves Richmond with maybe 1, 9, 17, 20, 21, 22, 26 and 29 without any other trades. They'll likely pick up Brisbane's pick 14 as well. Still a damn good hand to have!

 

[kerrazy]

Everyone talking up Richmond's potential draft hand as if what they are doing is best for their club. But they are losing some serious personnel for these picks. Best 22 senior players.

If we lost our best players in Yeo Reid Gov and Barrass for decent picks how would we fare in 2025?

I'd imagine there would be many 100 point losses and an even worse loser mentallity would inflict the club.

I haven't heard any media personalities mention this at all. It's all just 'Hell yeah Richmond will have another dynasty again with these picks.' Do they not relaise that draft picks aren't even known quantities, they could draft complte busts ffs!

 

[Happy Mastenator]

****ing hell are we the only ones which don't think Baker is worth pick 12?? World's gone ****ing mad.

The bloke can't even average 20 touches a game. And is an absolute turnover merchant.

He's basically a slightly souped up version of Patrick McGinnity.

Will certainly not shed a tear if we don't get him, will be upset if we give up a first rounder for him. Even a late first rounder.

 

[Obeanie1]

If Cripps has retired, he's really got my respect. Even more so than before.

Putting the team first is not always the easiest thing to do.

Hopefully he hangs around and helps the mosquito fleet in some regard. (Just not first touch )

OK. When did I miss Cripps retiring?

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Has anyone been a regular watcher of our WAFL team, keen to know how you think Rawlinson and Livingstone have gone through the year?

I had them as both delists, as none of their wafl stats are that impressive and didn't think they were draft worthy last year. So I'm a tad surprised to see them both get another year.

 

[Elite Pete]

Pick 3 for us isn't tradeable, so for comparison purposes that leaves the dockers with 9,10,17,27 which is a stronger hand than our 12,23,30
That's 3 in the top 20 against against our 1 at this time. We have to trade to strengthen our hand for an early rebuild or we will need to win the next 5 wooden spoons if we rely on getting high first round draft picks.

Haha, creative accounting by you.

3 might be tradable if it’s the right trade. But as we stand you are correct but that why we are going down the route of trading TB

 

[Happy Mastenator]

OK. When did I miss Cripps retiring?

Rumour is Jamie Cripps has retired and will play at Northampton with his mates.
If true it opens another spot or saves someone from being delisted.

Might hold of writing his retirement post until we have further confirmation.

 

[Elite Pete]

Vlahos reporting Picketts manager contact both us and Freo but the stumbling block is he is on $900k a year and Dees not prepared to pay any of it if he was traded.

I have a feeling Kosi will be playing for us next year. Not sure how I feel about it

 

[1Bally1]

Has anyone been a regular watcher of our WAFL team, keen to know how you think Rawlinson and Livingstone have gone through the year?

I had them as both delists, as none of their wafl stats are that impressive and didn't think they were draft worthy last year. So I'm a tad surprised to see them both get another year.

this is what a lot of people thought about dewar. Thye showed flashes and potential. Keep them.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

A minor tragedy occurred in this game. Through one and a bit quarters of football we'd been treated to one of the best head to head battles of the year between Lindsay and Langford, directly matched up on each other in the middle and each at the absolute top of their game. Unfortunately we lost Xavier to a suspected PCL injury, cutting short the spectacle and probably cutting short his season given how few weeks we have remaining.

In his one quarter and 4 mins of play Lindsay racked up 11 disposals and 5 clearances showing just how hot a start he'd made.

Give me this kid at the hawks pick. Signed sealed delivered.

 

[kerrazy]

If we can trade our capital from the Barrass picks I'd be happy to trade for Pickett. But can imagine dees wanting more than that.

As long as we can retain pick 3.

 

[eaglevision]

A minor tragedy occurred in this game. Through one and a bit quarters of football we'd been treated to one of the best head to head battles of the year between Lindsay and Langford, directly matched up on each other in the middle and each at the absolute top of their game. Unfortunately we lost Xavier to a suspected PCL injury, cutting short the spectacle and probably cutting short his season given how few weeks we have remaining.

In his one quarter and 4 mins of play Lindsay racked up 11 disposals and 5 clearances showing just how hot a start he'd made.

Blistering start. Hopefully a lock for us with Barrass pick if Travaglia is gone. PCL injury whilst unfortunate may mean he slides just enough to be there, hooe he recovers quickly but will miss the combine.

 

[Godfather32]

Fox Footy pushing for 6 AND 20 for Dan Rioli, and think Freo will give up Pick 10 for Liam Baker. Bloody hell.

I tell you what, if all we manage to do with the Barrass trade is flip him for an average, slightly too old Richmond midfielder there's going to be some epic melts on here.

 

[noobermensch]

Blistering start. Hopefully a lock for us with Barrass pick if Travaglia is gone. PCL injury whilst unfortunate may mean he slides just enough to be there, hooe he recovers quickly but will miss the combine.

Probably misses the combine I'd say. Even if he's mostly recovered you don't want to risk a poor showing given lack of prep time for it. There's nothing really for him to prove at the combine anyway, if he skips it he's a certainty to get picked in that 7-13 kind of range and he's not going to push up into the top group no matter what his combine results show.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Vlahos reporting Picketts manager contact both us and Freo but the stumbling block is he is on $900k a year and Dees not prepared to pay any of it if he was traded.

I have a feeling Kosi will be playing for us next year. Not sure how I feel about it

Same, I really want Malakai Champion on the list, and I feel like he would fill that super quick pressure forward role, a real priority has to be midfielders and a ruck.
If we could somehow fill the ruck, midfield positions, then I’d feel ok about taking Pickett. He’s definitely in the age bracket that we need.

 

[Peptide Pig]

Look, what you say for each individual trade has a veneer of plausibility, but there's just no world in which this, or even half of this, ever happens. The AFL just doesn't embrace the full chaos trades like this.

Also, while i like the idea of Warner, we sure he even wants to leave?

I’m with you on the very low likelihood. More of an exercise in exploring what avenues we could look into with the currency that we should have available to us, and which players actually suit us best.

I was pretty certain that our best look at Chad would be end of 2025 when he is out of contract. However, on the Tradies podcast Mitch Cleary did mention that he thinks there is still a bit to play out with Warner- of course McClure then went off on some tangent before Mitch could elaborate on his Warner intel.

If Sydney wins the flag maybe Warner gets their blessing to come home? Tricky thing with the Swans is that they are right in the flag window so will draft picks satisfy them? Ideally TB could’ve been part of the deal to help them immediately as opposed to some draftees that will be good in 5 years time.

 

[Keys]

Has anyone been a regular watcher of our WAFL team, keen to know how you think Rawlinson and Livingstone have gone through the year?

I had them as both delists, as none of their wafl stats are that impressive and didn't think they were draft worthy last year. So I'm a tad surprised to see them both get another year.

Livingstone is a Cat B rookie.

To the best of my knowledge, Malakai Champion is our only draftable quality NGA player this year and he’s unlikely to go through the draft without a bid

So if we were to delist Livingstone we would have no mechanism to replace him on our list

That ignores he’s a 19 year old big bloke still finding his way as a forward/ruck in a struggling side. He’s also arguably outperformed Barnett this year

As for Rawlinson, he’s a pressure forward in a side that regularly gets sub 40 inside 50’s per game. Happy enough to give him one more year to see if he can develop further but he must have been close to getting cut

 

[Peptide Pig]

Vlahos reporting Picketts manager contact both us and Freo but the stumbling block is he is on $900k a year and Dees not prepared to pay any of it if he was traded.

I have a feeling Kosi will be playing for us next year. Not sure how I feel about it

900 is probably overs but shouldn’t be an issue for us, front-end it and it could even help us. We are practically trying to give away money to meet the cap at this point aren’t we? Freo on the other hand, 2mil tied up in ruckman alone before you even look at Brayshaw, Serong, Young etc

 

[Barrybran]

Vlahos reporting Picketts manager contact both us and Freo but the stumbling block is he is on $900k a year and Dees not prepared to pay any of it if he was traded.

I have a feeling Kosi will be playing for us next year. Not sure how I feel about it

Surely we could do that for pick 12 on its own then?