I am just surprised this occurance at every club since the sub was introduced is being discussed like its new and a unique screwup by Burgess and Nicks.
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I am just surprised this occurance at every club since the sub was introduced is being discussed like its new and a unique screwup by Burgess and Nicks.
FR0GGY
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Probably not wise to use someone who needs match fitness then is it?
(Assuming that’s the reason and if not then the sub selection is even worse)
FR0GGY
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Use your brain, we either selected him as sub because he was the 23rd man (ridiculous) or he was short of match fitness.
Doesn’t make sense then to not use him earlier then in a wet game does it) what a waste using his energy after the game rather than in it.
It’s a standard practice amongst all clubs, some will even get them during the week to do run thrus after training to keep their gps numbers up
If you want to learn about some of the stuff that burgess is world expert in I suggest checking out some of his studies and PhD topics published in journals
Imagine the stuff he knows that’s not published too !
This one below is a goody
‘Assessing athlete readiness using physical, physiological, and
perceptual markers: A
systematic Review and meta analysis ‘
Now if nicks isn’t using Burgess correctly for his expertise , we are way more cooked than what even you could imagine
FR0GGY
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You’re missing the point.
For players who could have played a full game.
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Would Tex be sub if he misses 2 games
Yes of course. But maybe there was a concern of an injury hence why he came on so late. Maybe a player was complaining of a sore spot throughout the game and that delayed Nicks sub decision. It will be a great post game press conference question for Nicks. Did anyone ask it?
Yes I must be, I agree that he could have been bought on earlier, still would have had to do run thru after
All players can play a full game. Your point was he isnt a depth player and should have played sooner. But Nicks clearly didnt want to play him.
Well Burgess was reportedly on 500k in 2015 at Port then subsequently had stints at Arsenal and Liverpool ( or did Liverpool come earlier ?)
Then went to Melbourne and is considered a key , if not the off field key to their premiership success
So taking into account 7-8 years of inflation and also the experience ( premier league ) and success post Port Adelaide including a key plank of premiership you’d imagine he’s on a pretty penny
Nicks would likely be in the lower bracket of coaches , incentivised you’d hope re finals ; hasn’t made finals etc
Rough guess would be burgess 800k PA and Nicks $650k + incentives
In my opinion Burgess loves winning , earning big money , his kids and women ( been married 3x ? Might be 2 )
You reckon this is unlikely ? Would love to know your thoughts
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Maybe but I also named Laird and Smith
You know they won't be made the sub if they missed 2 weeks - which is not the original premise that Burgess has changed things and Nicks would make them the sub
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Ironically last time nicks subbed him out it was because he didn’t think he could play a full game
This is one of the reason the haveGPS monitoring, if a player plays a full game play and his GPS numbers are down he will make it up during the week, similarly if they are high they will lighten his load
I think we can agree Nicks is off the paceIronically last time nicks subbed him out it was because he didn’t think he could play a full game
If we're going to be challenging for the 8, then it was a good thing we didn't finish on <20 points! We're currently 10th!
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Imo if he was at full fitness he would have been brought on earlier.
Which makes makes no sense to play a player that hamstrings your decision making.
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Now you’re being silly.
You still haven’t corrected your 5 week claim, clearly you only did that to support your position.
You’re not naive, you know certain players would not have to come through the seconds or be relegated to sub coming back from an injury even if their fitness was down.
Or are you suggesting Tex would have been named sub if he copped Soligos injury.
They wouldn’t start him as sub but it wouldn’t surprise me they start him on the interchange
I was very lucky that I had a dinner on Sat night and couldn't watch the game. I've no interest in watching the replay either. So, I come to this from a point of view where my frustration is much less.
I was not surprised to see the result. Playing round 0 and then playing a team that hasn't played yet is a huge advantage. HUGE. To get to do that playing at home is a massive bonus. We were set to fail. Only us and North were gifted that by the AFL.
Given the conditions, I think the biggest concern was that our midfield was smashed so easily. With Crouch, Laird and Berry in our midfield, those conditions should have suited us. They didn't. Berry in particular should have thrived, but reports are that he did not. That's disappointing.
The Soligo decision continues a never ending list of utterly stupid selection decisions from our club. We genuinely are that dumb. It's become ingrained in the walls at West lakes. Let's hope it is left there when we move.
Once again we also had the summer memory erasure procedure. Every single year we forget that some players just don't have it when it comes to a competitive game. We ignore that we learnt that the previous year, watch them look amazing at training and then pick them first the first game or two. By round 4 we realise they can't handle physical pressure and drop them. Season ends, we erase our memory, watch preseason and pick them again. Year after year. The same stupid mistakes.
I was not surprised to see the result. Playing round 0 and then playing a team that hasn't played yet is a huge advantage. HUGE. To get to do that playing at home is a massive bonus. We were set to fail. Only us and North were gifted that by the AFL.
Given the conditions, I think the biggest concern was that our midfield was smashed so easily. With Crouch, Laird and Berry in our midfield, those conditions should have suited us. They didn't. Berry in particular should have thrived, but reports are that he did not. That's disappointing.
The Soligo decision continues a never ending list of utterly stupid selection decisions from our club. We genuinely are that dumb. It's become ingrained in the walls at West lakes. Let's hope it is left there when we move.
Once again we also had the summer memory erasure procedure. Every single year we forget that some players just don't have it when it comes to a competitive game. We ignore that we learnt that the previous year, watch them look amazing at training and then pick them first the first game or two. By round 4 we realise they can't handle physical pressure and drop them. Season ends, we erase our memory, watch preseason and pick them again. Year after year. The same stupid mistakes.
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This is fabulous.
FR0GGY
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Luckily we aren’t all like this one.
Comparing Milera v Soligo and now Tex vs Soligo is apples and oranges again
Do you think Burgess has a blanket approach for each role and individual ?
I have no doubt that if Burgo thinks he’s being undermined or if the club is jeapordising success due to restrictive cultural practices he will walk
And even do it in season
Watch this space I guess
I think you’ve missed a little bit of my sarcasm re the PT stuffPersonally, I'm not up in arms about what Burgess is being paid because I don't know what he's being paid.
Does anybody?
What's the "ridiculous amount", do you know?
" ... just a glorified personal trainer", WOW. That's unfair.
Burgess has a history of success, a stellar resume and is highly respected as "... a world-renowned high-performance specialist", well, just not by you.
It's generally acknowledged that Burgess' expertise and fitness regime helped Melbourne to their 2021 Flag, not only via player fitness but also player resilience, resulting in fewer injuries and better player availability/continuity:
Fitness guru reveals secret to Dees' incredible injury-free run
Darren Burgess has spoken of his biggest challenge when arriving at Melbourne in 2019www.afl.com.au
I think the Crows' hot patch in the last 15 minutes vs GCS is evidence of improved player fitness. The Suns were done, out-of-puff; another 5 minutes and the Crows would have overrun them to steal the win.
If Nicks** and Burgess take the Crows to another Flag, what price should the Crows pay for that success?
(** I have my doubts about Nicks, but the Club did absolutely the right thing in attracting Burgess to work with the players). Burgess deserves our respect, not your derision.
Probably best not to read the thread to catch up though
