Review Good/Bad vs Gold Coast, Round 1 2024

[El Doederino]

Did you mean to quote me?

No

 

[davos44]

Good: Matt Crouch

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Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

? I dont know, Racheles goal from 50, good stuff. I dont care about fightbacks when they spend 3 quarters playing the most inept football when everyone knows how good we play with dare and stop kicking long down the line close to the boundary in the flipping wet protecting the stupid defence from the scary wet ball. If we have the ball up forward in the soaking wet ground its much easier on the defence I would have thought. Ridiculous gameplan.

Bad: The trash forward 50 entries, the trash decision to have Soligo as sub, the trash decision to play Gollant and Burgess on a night where it was pouring with rain. Luke Pedlars 8 touches are way better than Lairds 30.

Ugly: Starting against the Gold Coast and GWS in the last 2 years in horrendous conditions.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Probably not wise to use someone who needs match fitness then is it?
(Assuming that’s the reason and if not then the sub selection is even worse)

Scott does it regularly at the Cats & reckon he is one of the best at managing players loads with selections.

 

[FR0GGY]

Scott does it regularly at the Cats & reckon he is one of the best at managing players loads with selections.

He’s at least got runs on the board.
Nicks is still in nappys

 

[MRB37]

brodie Smith had his customary horror turnover kick at the wrong moment in a game. I would have thought that was something he could have ironed out over the course of his career and maybe im nitpicking but I would have got rid of him long ago just because of that as he's done it his whole career

I get worried any time he tries anything that isn't just a long kick to the contest. He's lost a lot of accuracy on anything he tries by foot or hand that's a short pass.

 

[BRL121]

He’s at least got runs on the board.
Nicks is still in nappys

If he had the runs, he'd need nappies.

 

[George Kramer]

Scott does it regularly at the Cats & reckon he is one of the best at managing players loads with selections.

Does he use it with players returning from injury lacking match fitness or does he use it to manage his fit players and give them a little break?

 

[George Kramer]

jake Soligo reference at the 2.52 mark should put to bed the speculation re his readiness to play a full game.

No it doesn’t, listen again.

He was off his ankle for 3-4 weeks even though he was back running after 2, so Burns telling a porkie there. He never said he couldn’t run out a game, except that the other guys were cherry ripe having played more footy.

So we’ve added 1 and a half qtrs to his 30 mins played, that’s surely going to make him match fit now and alleviate that concern. Muppets

 

[ABAB]

No it doesn’t, listen again.

He was off his ankle for 3-4 weeks even though he was back running after 2, so Burns telling a porkie there. He never said he couldn’t run out a game, except that the other guys were cherry ripe having played more footy.

So we’ve added 1 and a half qtrs to his 30 mins played, that’s surely going to make him match fit now and alleviate that concern. Muppets

He said Soligo only played 30 minutes in the preseason, what does that tell you whether he can run out a game?? And said Soligo is in the best 22 (no surprise there) so he wouldn't have been the sub if he was fully fit, 1.5 quarter in a proper season is like 4 quarters in a preseason game

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He’s at least got runs on the board.
Nicks is still in nappys

But in the past we have been poor at managing player loads & using sub smartly... & the one time we do to bring back an underdone player, many on this board lose their heads... & carry on like they know better than Burgess.

 

[maxlilly]

jake Soligo reference at the 2.52 mark should put to bed the speculation re his readiness to play a full game.

Pretty open and honest with his answers and no real surprises

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Does he use it with players returning from injury lacking match fitness or does he use it to manage his fit players and give them a little break?

Both.

& he is the best in the AFL at it.

Allows him to develop depth & keep players fresh.

When a player he wants to manage as a sub has to come on earlier than hoped because of injury, he usually rests them the following week.

I can't believe more clubs haven't worked this out.

 

[George Kramer]

He said Soligo only played 30 minutes in the preseason, what does that tell you?? And said Soligo is in the best 22 (no surprise there) so he wouldn't have been the sub if he was fully fit.

So now he’s played 75 minutes over the preseason, couldn’t possibly be match fit so will have to miss the Geelong game. If that was there concern he should have played a full game in the SANFL.

And was it only 30 mins, I thought he played a half of the West Coast game? He did bullshit about how many weeks Soligo couldn’t run so I have my doubts.

 

[George Kramer]

Both.

& he is the best in the AFL at it.

Allows him to develop depth & keep players fresh.

When a player he wants to manage as a sub has to come on earlier than hoped because of injury, he usually rests them the following week.

I can't believe more clubs haven't worked this out.

Does he really? I can’t recall him bringing in players who aren’t match fit and making them sub, got any examples?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Does he really? I can’t recall him bringing in players who aren’t match fit and making them sub, got any examples?

Feel free to go back & study the Cats in/outs & sub use over the past few years.

You will really learn something & will be genuinely surprised.

 

[FR0GGY]

But in the past we have been poor at managing player loads & using sub smartly... & the one time we do to bring back an underdone player, many on this board lose their heads... & carry on like they know better than Burgess.

I still don’t think using an underdone sub is the way to go. We’ve just proved either nicks couldn’t bring him on earlier due to this or he didn’t want to in which case shows poor judgment anyway given the game conditions.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I still don’t think using an underdone sub is the way to go. We’ve just proved either nicks couldn’t bring him on earlier due to this or he didn’t want to in which case shows poor judgment anyway given the game conditions.

Soligo could have played the full game but would have needed more rotations off.

Just like a 1st year player.

Have already explained this, but I don't know why neither you & GK are just ignoring it.

 

[ABAB]

So now he’s played 75 minutes over the preseason, couldn’t possibly be match fit so will have to miss the Geelong game. If that was there concern he should have played a full game in the SANFL.

And was it only 30 mins, I thought he played a half of the West Coast game? He did bullshit about how many weeks Soligo couldn’t run so I have my doubts.

Equivalent to a full preseason game and 30 minutes so had Soligo played that many minutes in the preseason then he would have started against GCS in the starting 18. Full preseason SANFL game isn't worth 1.5 quarters of proper AFL game, pointless for Soligo's development who is clearly in our best 18.

 

[Scorpus]

If the reason is he didn't play much pre season match time, how much did Wayne Milera

30

Wayne Milera

Age

27

Ht

184cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.9

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.5

4star

MG

265.3

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.5

3star

T

1.0

2star

MG

282.0

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.4

4star

MG

182.0

3star

play again?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If the reason is he didn't play much pre season match time, how much did Wayne Milera play again?

He played all or the game against West Coast.

 

[FR0GGY]

Soligo could have played the full game but would have needed more rotations off.

Just like a 1st year player.

Have already explained this, but I don't know why neither you & GK are just ignoring it.

What? You’ve just ignored my post that you just quoted.
I literally just posted he was hamstrung by having an underdone player as a sub (as you said they would have been compromised by bringing him on early due to having to rotate more)
I didn’t say he couldn’t play the whole game.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What? You’ve just ignored my post that you just quoted.
I literally just posted he was hamstrung by having an underdone player as a sub (as you said they would have been compromised by bringing him on early due to having to rotate more)

Imo, he should have brought on Soligo at half time... so you would prefer 2 quarters of McHenry instead of 1.5 quarters of Soligo?

BTW, I'm sure Soligo was capable of playing 2 quarters & more if needed.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

For all the hullabaloo about Soligo as sub, most are missing the bigger issue that we went in too tall for wet conditions.

Gollant should have missed for a small.

 

[FR0GGY]

Imo, he should have brought on Soligo at half time... so you would prefer 2 quarters of McHenry instead of 1.5 quarters of Soligo?

BTW, I'm sure Soligo was capable of playing 2 quarters & more if needed.

Thats my point he either didn’t bring him on earlier as he knew he couldn’t run out the game or he just misread the game.
Picking an underdone player compromises the strategy.
Where did i say anything about McHenry, you’re having a shocker.

 

[Scorpus]

For all the hullabaloo about Soligo as sub, most are missing the bigger issue that we went in too tall for wet conditions.

Gollant should have missed for a small.

Going small would have made no difference.

We had like 5 smaller guys at the fall of the ball most times inside 50, and they all did **** all