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Scratching my head over how people think we can suddenly just hit the draft and turn this ship around in a year or two?? 
Oh no, not sure this thing is going to get fixed any time soon. The club is broken on so many levels. Seasons like this year and last year, on top of the end to the 2021 season don't just get forgotten.... the team legit will need to learn to win again.
When we finally start playing competitive footy again, we'll be all at see when it comes to closing out games, or holding onto a lead or stopping momentum etc etc because failure is getting fairly ingrained into the club and our young players at the moment.
We're a good 4-5 away from playing finals again IMO, and add another 3- 5 onto that before we're a contender
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All speculation of course, but nothing about this period is like the 2010 spoon year. They are light years apart. We had genuine A grade talent, a much better list and even then played much more exciting footy.
The Simpson sympathisers and defenders of the club are just making things worse. It's one thing being a "true fan" and "supporting through thick and thin" cheersquad alien etc etc....
But there's really no leg to stand on here. The team stopped playing for the coach after the bye in 2021, simple as that. Since that period we've had loads of injuries, absolutely, but the remaining players still aren't playing for him... and that's damning
Oh no, not sure this thing is going to get fixed any time soon. The club is broken on so many levels. Seasons like this year and last year, on top of the end to the 2021 season don't just get forgotten.... the team legit will need to learn to win again.
When we finally start playing competitive footy again, we'll be all at see when it comes to closing out games, or holding onto a lead or stopping momentum etc etc because failure is getting fairly ingrained into the club and our young players at the moment.
We're a good 4-5 away from playing finals again IMO, and add another 3- 5 onto that before we're a contender
.All speculation of course, but nothing about this period is like the 2010 spoon year. They are light years apart. We had genuine A grade talent, a much better list and even then played much more exciting footy.
The Simpson sympathisers and defenders of the club are just making things worse. It's one thing being a "true fan" and "supporting through thick and thin" cheersquad alien etc etc....
But there's really no leg to stand on here. The team stopped playing for the coach after the bye in 2021, simple as that. Since that period we've had loads of injuries, absolutely, but the remaining players still aren't playing for him... and that's damning
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One would have imagined if it was happening it well and truly would've happened by now.
Unless he's gone to Gil University and done his PHD in John Farnham's Farewell tours.
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A bit to break down in your post there, DS.Scratching my head over how people think we can suddenly just hit the draft and turn this ship around in a year or two
Oh no, not sure this thing is going to get fixed any time soon. The club is broken on so many levels. Seasons like this year and last year, on top of the end to the 2021 season don't just get forgotten.... the team legit will need to learn to win again.
When we finally start playing competitive footy again, we'll be all at see when it comes to closing out games, or holding onto a lead or stopping momentum etc etc because failure is getting fairly ingrained into the club and out young players at the moment.
We're a good 4-5 away from playing finals again IMO, and add another 3- 5 onto that before we're a contender
All speculation of course, but nothing about this period is like the 2010 spoon year. They are light years apart. We had genuine A grade talent, a much better list and even then played much more exciting footy.
The Simpson sympathisers and defenders of the club are just making things worse. It's one thing being a "true fan" and "supporting through thick and thin" cheers squad alien etc etc....
But there's really no leg to stand on here. The team stopped playing for the coach after the bye in 2021, simple as that. Since that period we've had loads of injuries, absolutely, but the remaining players still aren't playing for him... and that's damning
I agree with your first points, that we need a cultural reset. The fact both our clubs are perennial punching bags is a concern. My fear would be we turn into Gold Coast - irrespective of the talent on their list, they don't know how to win tough games. The second there's any pressure, they crumble. Was it Edwards who has lost 27 games straight? Yeah that's no bueno. No good.
I agree that we're five successful drafts away before we're playing finals again. Whether we nail the next five is conjecture only.
I also agree that we just don't have the talent on the list to pull ourselves out of the hole like we did in 2010.
Simpson though.
You can poach peak Paul Roos and he wouldn't be winning with our current availables. It is a factor. 2200 games out this week.
I agree his days are numbered. I think he'll cut and run before 2025.
The players not trying or putting on second efforts is a cultural head drop. As head coach he is the most resposibile so that's trigger enough I guess.
This season will be our annuous horribilis.
Yes, this was a point I was getting at, and don't wish to criticise him too early, but there was a bit of noise about Chesser when he joined, now I'm wondering why? Unlike Ginbey or Long or even Hewett who hasn't shown much yet, Chesser doesn't seem to have an outstanding trait as you say? Was doing pretty rushed and average disposals I thought. At least with Hewett you can see intent in his body language, you can see he has explosive pace. We only had to see his run-thru-the pack goal in the scratchies to realise this guy stands out, he's different. Long we already know has 'smarts and some good skills. Ginbey is obvious. But Chesser, not seeing anything yet...okay, early days for sure..
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Scratching my head over how people think we can suddenly just hit the draft and turn this ship around in a year or two??
Oh no, not sure this thing is going to get fixed any time soon. The club is broken on so many levels. Seasons like this year and last year, on top of the end to the 2021 season don't just get forgotten.... the team legit will need to learn to win again.
When we finally start playing competitive footy again, we'll be all at see when it comes to closing out games, or holding onto a lead or stopping momentum etc etc because failure is getting fairly ingrained into the club and our young players at the moment.
We're a good 4-5 away from playing finals again IMO, and add another 3- 5 onto that before we're a contender
All speculation of course, but nothing about this period is like the 2010 spoon year. They are light years apart. We had genuine A grade talent, a much better list and even then played much more exciting footy.
The Simpson sympathisers and defenders of the club are just making things worse. It's one thing being a "true fan" and "supporting through thick and thin" cheersquad alien etc etc....
But there's really no leg to stand on here. The team stopped playing for the coach after the bye in 2021, simple as that. Since that period we've had loads of injuries, absolutely, but the remaining players still aren't playing for him... and that's damning
In all reality the barking is not gonna come from the fans because Nisbett couldnt give a crap about the fans. He and they will only care when the sponsors/people Nisbett actually cares about come barking at the door.
Id hope it isnt too far off now. Surely SGIO must feel embarassed to have their name on our injury list. If I was a member of SGIO id change to someone else just because I wouldnt want the bad karma if anything
Until it impacts the wallet, nothing will change and unfortunately the fans dont have the ability to impact that at Round 10
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Ive seen enough to know that at best, we have our version of Ethan Hughes. Someone who runs up and down but contributes very little outside of the fact he runs up and down
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harsh on Ethan tbh
Im a glass half full and am thinking best case scenario for Chesser though.
Ethan Hughes is the best outcome we can hope for. Ill be as ecstatic as a 14 year old at a Harry Styles concert if Chesser gets to Ethan Hughes level
Theres's nothing to say there's just no players, this has to be the first time this has happened to a club in AFL history I've never seen such a depleted list ever.
Anyway
there was more intent in the first 6 rounds than I saw our premiership side dish up at times. so the players were onboard with the coach and system and they played it well just short of talent, Simpson stays during the rebuild for me at least 3 years of it, if he had a sound list and this was dished up we can talk about sacking him.
We were thin on young talent before the Kelly trade and the Kelly trade amplified it, if the Kelly trade worked out and we won a flag we would be in the same position as we are now probably minus Ginbey so in a sense this situation is unavoidable, I guess that's the cost of going for flags with some lists, if you're complaining just now you should have been complaining 5 years ago when we weren't adding any talent to the list.
The Kelly trade kind of works out in our favor with the rebuild providing he keeps his effort he will be a good leader going forward and as always with times like this we might find good serviceable players on the list, there's really no point in talking about our list at this stage just think about who we can get.
And get rid of Gaff he's not a leader never has been he's just coasting.
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there was more intent in the first 6 rounds than I saw our premiership side dish up at times. so the players were onboard with the coach and system and they played it well just short of talent, Simpson stays during the rebuild for me at least 3 years of it, if he had a sound list and this was dished up we can talk about sacking him.
We were thin on young talent before the Kelly trade and the Kelly trade amplified it, if the Kelly trade worked out and we won a flag we would be in the same position as we are now probably minus Ginbey so in a sense this situation is unavoidable, I guess that's the cost of going for flags with some lists, if you're complaining just now you should have been complaining 5 years ago when we weren't adding any talent to the list.
The Kelly trade kind of works out in our favor with the rebuild providing he keeps his effort he will be a good leader going forward and as always with times like this we might find good serviceable players on the list, there's really no point in talking about our list at this stage just think about who we can get.
And get rid of Gaff he's not a leader never has been he's just coasting.
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Sounds like Gaff? God help us, no..
He must have more than that, shirley?
Guess we'll know by season's end...will know a lot of things, about a lot of things.
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Yep.
I feel like 2010, although bad and a shocking low for the club after the drug saga - it wasn't as bad as this.
It wasn't excused however I feel the club was able to hide given all of the shit we had dealt with in the years prior immediately after the '06 premiership and an appearance in '05. Not only this, but we had an excellent list with A graders and although hit with injuries we always knew what our squad at the time was capable of.
This time the club is at rock bottom in every aspect. A list with serious issues. Very little promise coming from anywhere other than Ginbey and co, who I hope we don't burn out as a result of this. A WAFL alignment that's broken. Critical areas of the club with dire question marks. I highly doubt members are going to stand for this, we are the laughing stock, a total humiliation and this time with full reason.
I remember when our biggest issues were Patrick McGinnity, when Brad Dick was going to get a game and whether Ashley Smith was ever going to come good!
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SGIO are long dead and buried mate. They're NRMA here now. Our injury sponsor? It's SJOG. That's St John of God. Ya know, the hospital?
It's pretty funny when you think about it.
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That list still brings me excitement - JK wasn't VC in 2010 though?
On that list we thought Masten, Shuey and Ebert were stars of the future. NN was our young beast. The Fridge, as Biggie commission him, was just finding his feet and. We even held hope that old mate Notte would smash a few Outback Jacks specials and make the grade.
Now? Until the last draft it's been leaner than a Northbridge tweaker after dark.
Chesser is a good size,moved ok, not scared, how many games has he played? Give him a break.
Long,Gibney,Cully,Ryan,Barass,Hewitt,OA,Burgeil?? Barnett,??
We will have a good core going forward. We need to scrape a couple of seasons out of three of six people. Yo,NN,Shuey,Cripps,Gov and whoever.
The MSD is important. Definitely need two picks minimum and if possible three.Go young go potential!
Forget drafting rejects from other clubs that’s a recipe for mediocrity!
If Hewitt was fit why wasn’t he picked today? I don’t care if he can’t run out a game he’s got more talent in his little finger than half the crabs out there today.
Long,Gibney,Cully,Ryan,Barass,Hewitt,OA,Burgeil?? Barnett,??
We will have a good core going forward. We need to scrape a couple of seasons out of three of six people. Yo,NN,Shuey,Cripps,Gov and whoever.
The MSD is important. Definitely need two picks minimum and if possible three.Go young go potential!
Forget drafting rejects from other clubs that’s a recipe for mediocrity!
If Hewitt was fit why wasn’t he picked today? I don’t care if he can’t run out a game he’s got more talent in his little finger than half the crabs out there today.
Yeah some over reactions after today forsure. Some of the definitive comments about the kids is laughable. Wait until they have a season or two of games under the belt and exposure with a competent team around them before we judge too harshly.
I get it. No positives can be observed from a loss like today.. but understand where we are at in the cycle. A team rebuilding who is expected to be bottom 4. Then add 2200 games of experience out with injuries and you get our current formline. This shouldn't be a shock.
The biggest concern is the trend in injuries. This must be #1 priority moving forward. Spend what you must. Pay the extra 200%, just do it seriously.
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You add Barrass, Ryan, Cripps and Hurn at the least back into that lineup from today and I don't think we end up with the result we got today.
Maybe not a win but I feel comfortable in saying it would not have been a blowout like today was.
Maybe not a win but I feel comfortable in saying it would not have been a blowout like today was.
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****ing lol at campaigners writing Chesser off after his first game back from injury.
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I'm not writing him off because it's very early days in his career....but.... I am yet to see anything so far that says to me that he's going to be an AFL quality midfielder, which is what we really, really need him to be
It is beyond ridiculous to be having a crack at Chesser at this point- he's played 4 AFL games (and got injured in the one he seemed to be starting to find his straps in). He's just been rushed back into the senior side after a 6 week layoff with a knee injuries, in any other club in the league at the moment he'd get a game or two in the WAFL to build form and fitness..He might be a complete dud, he might be an excellent player, but I'd like to see at least a solid month of injury free football in a stable role before even trying to guess whether he lives up to the draft pedigree.
But on a related note, one slightly concerning feature of west coast's drafting is how often we tend to swoop on chronically injured draftees who were highly rated but have slipped down the draft order for that reason. Chesser was a classic example of that, rated as a top 10 pick until he tore his meniscus as an u18, slipped to 14 as a result.
Sometimes it results in bargains but it is also a pretty good way of assembling a list of fragile players.
But on a related note, one slightly concerning feature of west coast's drafting is how often we tend to swoop on chronically injured draftees who were highly rated but have slipped down the draft order for that reason. Chesser was a classic example of that, rated as a top 10 pick until he tore his meniscus as an u18, slipped to 14 as a result.
Sometimes it results in bargains but it is also a pretty good way of assembling a list of fragile players.
not sure what else they could do. forfeit?
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