Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2024, Part I

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[Taper]

Seen comments about Clarkson at North but honestly what other coach do they get in who does better?

They need someone like Paul Roos.
Look at how he turned the culture around at Melbourne after walking into a complete shitshow.

 

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[Strange Cat]

You can’t give the benifit of doubt to Toby with his long list of priors

 

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[CatToTheFuture]

If he goes then you are no longer able to contest a ball mid air

I'm not making a value judgement, just noting the consistency with other adjudications

 

[Commando]

Except he wasn't contending the ball - he was late to the contest, turned the shoulder and it was a mid-air bump

Disagree
He has every right to contest, turned last second for preservation
Watch in real time not slo mo

 

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Full reasons:

The charge is pressed on two alternative bases: The rough conduct (high bumps) provision and the general rough conduct provision.

Taking the high bumps basis first.

The first question is whether in the bumping of Boyd, Greene caused contact that is at least low impact with Boyd’s head or neck.

This question is expressly conceded by Greene. He admits this was a bump. He admits that in the bumping of Boyd he caused contact that is at least low impact to be made to Boyd’s head or neck.

The next question is whether Greene was contesting the ball, and whether it was not unreasonable to contest the ball in that way.

I have given an instruction to the panel to the effect that, if a player has ceased to attempt to mark prior to impact, and is bracing for impact in circumstances such as this, that player is not contesting the ball.

That only leaves the question of whether Greene had ceased to attempt to mark prior to impact and was instead bracing for impact.

The evidence is that this is what he was doing.

It is also a finding that we could and do make upon closely viewing the video footage.

Prior to impact, Greene had abandoned his attempt to mark the ball and turned his body to brace for impact.

It follows that the exception to the rough conduct (high bumps) provision does not apply and there is no cause to consider whether his conduct was reasonable.

It follows that the charge of rough conduct is made out under the high bumps provision, noting again that Greene admitted this was such a high bump.

There is no need to consider the general rough conduct provision, the charge is upheld.

 

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Full reasons:

The charge is pressed on two alternative bases: The rough conduct (high bumps) provision and the general rough conduct provision.

Taking the high bumps basis first.

The first question is whether in the bumping of Boyd, Greene caused contact that is at least low impact with Boyd’s head or neck.

This question is expressly conceded by Greene. He admits this was a bump. He admits that in the bumping of Boyd he caused contact that is at least low impact to be made to Boyd’s head or neck.

The next question is whether Greene was contesting the ball, and whether it was not unreasonable to contest the ball in that way.

I have given an instruction to the panel to the effect that, if a player has ceased to attempt to mark prior to impact, and is bracing for impact in circumstances such as this, that player is not contesting the ball.

That only leaves the question of whether Greene had ceased to attempt to mark prior to impact and was instead bracing for impact.

The evidence is that this is what he was doing.

It is also a finding that we could and do make upon closely viewing the video footage.

Prior to impact, Greene had abandoned his attempt to mark the ball and turned his body to brace for impact.

It follows that the exception to the rough conduct (high bumps) provision does not apply and there is no cause to consider whether his conduct was reasonable.

It follows that the charge of rough conduct is made out under the high bumps provision, noting again that Greene admitted this was such a high bump.

There is no need to consider the general rough conduct provision, the charge is upheld.

They got it right.

 

[Commando]

Absolute madness
We'd be livid if it were one of ours..

 

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Absolute madness
We'd be livid if it were one of ours..

If it was one of ours, I'd be calling them stupid for putting themselves in that position when we know how the MRO & tribunal have been operating this season

 

[Commando]

If it was one of ours, I'd be calling them stupid for putting themselves in that position when we know how the MRO & tribunal have been operating this season

Rubbish, may as well just make it touch because that's where we're headed

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Absolute madness
We'd be livid if it were one of ours..

It will be one day

 

[Kitcat]

Disagree
He has every right to contest, turned last second for preservation
Watch in real time not slo mo

Greene was never going to get hurt in that contest. He didn’t even put out his hands to go for the ball. You seem to be unaware of the seriousness of concussion, and if that action is allowed, the game will become touch as sporting bodies will be sued repeatedly and insurance companies will not offer cover.

 

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[Art Vandelay_]

Absolute madness
We'd be livid if it were one of ours..

Bingo!

Ruining the game 1 year at a time.

 

[Vdubs]

They need someone like Paul Roos.
Look at how he turned the culture around at Melbourne after walking into a complete shitshow.

Really?

 

[Commando]

Greene was never going to get hurt in that contest. He didn’t even put out his hands to go for the ball. You seem to be unaware of the seriousness of concussion, and if that action is allowed, the game will become touch as sporting bodies will be sued repeatedly and insurance companies will not offer cover.

But a knee in a marking contest is fine?
Soon there will be no jumping at all

 

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But a knee in a marking contest is fine?
Soon there will be no jumping at all

Depends if the player is genuinely contesting the ball or not

Mason Cox was fined for this effort a couple of seasons back as it was deemed he wasn't making a play on the ball and instead lead with the knee

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Depends if the player is genuinely contesting the ball or not

Mason Cox was fined for this effort a couple of seasons back as it was deemed he wasn't making a play on the ball and instead lead with the knee

Really feels like a "check your ambition" type rule

 

[Strange Cat]

I doubt Toby was going for a legitimate mark he has a lot of form injuring players in those type of contest it’s a fair assumption

 

[Commando]

Seems a line of ex players agree with my view so I suppose that's good enough for me

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Seems a line of ex players agree with my view so I suppose that's good enough for me

Not good enough to get Toby off