List Mgmt. Official 2016 trade period discussion

[ShaunWDT]

Black being injury prone is factually incorrect, he's missed 2 weeks with concussion and around a month with an ankle in the last 5 years...

Not being better than North's other forward options is the only valid arguement.

 

[BUSTER29]

Black being injury prone is factually incorrect, he's missed 2 weeks with concussion and around a month with an ankle in the last 5 years...

True.
Its the part about him being shit that worries me more.

 

[CatRiot]

Based on the highlights, if Black can stay fit, he might be best 22 and could be just as good or better than Kersten. I'm ok with having Black on the list for now.

I'm hoping now with pick 24 we can go after someone like Galluci in the draft. Quick, finds the pill, good on both sides. Should be almost ready made. Hopefully Wellsy doesnt reach with pick 24, and goes for best available, not some random we could get with pick 99.

 

[Inferno]

Thanks for posting the summary - am i misunderstanding something - no 23 cant be right surely

They got it from GWS who got it from Carlton for Marchbank. We gave it to Carlton as part of the Tuohy trade.

 

[Munich]

Got Black for nothing, could have had Cloke and WHE for nothing.

Who the heck is WHE?

 

[CatRiot]

Based on the highlights, if Black can stay fit, he might be best 22 and could be just as good or better than Kersten. I'm ok with having Black on the list for now.

I'm hoping now with pick 24 we can go after someone like Galluci in the draft. Quick, finds the pill, good on both sides. Should be almost ready made. Hopefully Wellsy doesnt reach with pick 24, and goes for best available, not some random we could get with pick 99.

Black kicked 21 goals from 11 games this year in the VFL, so its ok, but nothing to write home about. I think at his best, he might be a 30 goal a season player in the AFL, a similar output to what Kersten is capable of I'd say.

 

[Turbo911]

What does it say in the thread title? Right there in red, it seems pretty unambiguous to me but clearly Richmond fans are having trouble understanding it.

Education, they struggle with it.
Let them be, it's a shining new toy.
Once rd 1comes they'll go quiet again

 

[CatRiot]

Who the heck is WHE?

Will Hoskin-Elliot, GWS.

 

[Mr Blicavs]

Black being injury prone is factually incorrect, he's missed 2 weeks with concussion and around a month with an ankle in the last 5 years...

Not being better than North's other forward options is the only valid arguement.

That actually makes it's worse....we are getting Norfs dregs!

 

[rocker_oz33]

Who the heck is WHE?

Will Hoskins Elliot GWS .

 

[Inferno]

Black kicked 21 goals from 11 games this year in the VFL, so its ok, but nothing to write home about. I think at his best, he might be a 30 goal a season player in the AFL, a similar output to what Kersten is capable of I'd say.

So.. an overpayed, injury prone Kersten basically?

 

[Munich]

Oh thanks guys.

Still wouldn't know him if I fell on top of him.

On the plus, we now have two mongrel-Irishmen.

That's gotta be some sort of positive!

 

[thecatattack]

Got Black for nothing, could have had Cloke and WHE for nothing.

no we couldnt have had WHE, he was always going to the pies

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

It's OK, all this is just to be ready to get Fyfe next year


Nah, I don't understand what the plan is.

 

[CatRiot]

So.. an overpayed, injury prone Kersten basically?

I think he's injuries haven't been too bad in the past... Something about a concussion and a minor ankle injury this season that kept him out about 5-6 weeks. What do we do, not much else on offer. I suspect we will go after House in the rookie draft.

 

[CatTricks]

It's OK, all this is just to be ready to get Fyfe next year


Nah, I don't understand what the plan is.

Joel would want to win a Brownlow quick smart or he'll be the odd one out...

 

[Grimoz]

I really wish we had let Bartel go around again next year instead of him being pushed out, poor form by the club.

 

[CatTricks]

Can we draft Bartel and Enright back now?

 

[BlightysCats]

And so with todays trade period done Scott's fate was sealed.

 

[Grimoz]

Can we draft Bartel and Enright back now?

Makes you wonder why they pushed Bartel out when they werent bringing anything in, stupid if you ask me.

 

[CatRiot]

Pretty substantial list turnover this off-season. How many players is that now? Bartel, Enright, Kersten, Caddy, Vardy, Smedts, Lucey, Cornell, Bates, Read, Delaney.

11 players gone.

Who said we won't be drafting! We need a lot of youth coming through to replace that, will free up the salary space for sure.

 

[Grimoz]

And so with todays trade period done Scott's fate was sealed.

Yep new 3 year deal coming soon

 

[goyoucatters]

The most surprising element for me in this particular trade period is the surprise that many supposedly feel at the way the Cats have conducted themselves.

Cannot think of a single trade period in recent times where we have played hardball and forced our players into corners to compel them to meet the club's agenda.

For me, it's a key reason why players like Lids and Tuohy this time around both asked to make their way down to the Cattery. We are definitely seen as a club that treats its players with respect around trade time and not simply as commodities to be brokered.

I can understand that quite a number here don't like that this is the case. But surely we've all been following our trade dealings for long enough to know that's how we roll at this time of year.

Seems like the whole trade period went pear-shaped for us when interest in Mots went nowhere. He was seemingly the only collateral that we were prepared to release that could have unlocked a deal for Deledio with the Tigers. Once it was clear that he wasn't going to garner much interest from them (or anyone else, for that matter), we had nothing meaningful left to take to the table with any other clubs. And our subsequent planning for meaningful deals just fell apart.

Caddy clearly had his head turned by a lucrative offer from the Tigers (four year deal for him now, I believe) and Geelong was simply not prepared to live with having a disgruntled player on the list who was frustrated by the lack of support from the club to help him pick up the long-term deal he was looking for.

Again, you don't have to like it but that's how we clearly work at moments like these. The deals for Kersten and Vardy are more of the same, to a lesser degree. Rather than insisting that the player be treated like a chattel, we work with other clubs to see our (past) players benefit. Which means that we 'lose' every single one of these deals, when taken at face value. Whilst retaining a reputation as a club where players know they will not be simply coerced into unsatisfactory arrangements for them in order to advance the club's cause.

I do find it ironic that posters here like to wax on about the need for the club to treat our veteran players with respect while also seemingly being quite happy to trample on the future AFL dreams of younger and lesser quality players in the mighty name of the GFC. I think the club shows integrity most of the time in treating all our players with some dignity and respect while also seeking to further the cause of the GFC at the same time. With competing agendas like those, it's no surprise that the club loses out sometimes in seeking to do the right thing by its players.

And if the alternative is to end up with the debacle that is now the Brycelet's future with the Tankers, I would prefer the current approach of the GFC every time.

In summary, our trade period has clearly been nothing like the outstanding success of last year. However, I think there's still some cause for optimism with how it's worked out.

Tuohy will be a clear win for us, I believe, as he prospectively goes a long way to dealing with a glaring issue in our back half for quite a few seasons to come.

I'm on the record as never being sure whether Billie was going to amount to much at all for us, so I can live with his departure and the (hopefully) minimal pick downgrade that ensues.

Black is neither here nor there for me, as I think he's long odds to make a big difference for us. Have to deal with his salary for next year. I know, but after that he should be on relatively limited coin. Does provide at least one other option for us up forward to ease the torrent of pressure on Toma.

Kersto out is not my preference but clearly he's not rated that highly by decision-makers at the club. Not being picked for that prelim was damning (considering how the cupboard was pretty much bare for that game) so I'm not at all surprised that a decent offer of money and gametime at Freo (as well as the 'go home' factor) has seen him out the door. Given that, club was always going to facilitate a deal and Shane and the Shockers both knew it.

Vardy, on recent exposed 'form' and injury history, cannot be considered a significant loss at all. Any late pick was going to be enough for us to pull the trigger and send him where he wanted to go.

Cadds is the one that really hurts for mine. Although I think we do seriously overrate our players sometimes, and have to acknowledge that his mixed form over the journey does probably put him in the late first-early second window as a draft pick. Which is pretty much where we ended up with him. Get the impression the option of going to Punt Road appealed more and more to him as the days went by, and we therefore decided not to stand in his way.

While they're different players to a degree, I think full pre-seasons into Mena and Scoot (and the potential rise of Nakia and Lang) might have us not missing 'the Bull' quite as much as some might think. In fact, I'm dreading his absence as a forward option more than anything. Hopefully the younger players available for those positions can step up and make a place down there their own.

In the end, you clearly can't call our 2016 trade period a massive win. However, I'm not sure it will end up as disastrously for us as some now think.

And some further Wells wisdom applied to our second and early third-round picks in 2016 might just leave us a little better placed than we all think right now.

In any case, while our approach to this specific trade period might have many scratching their heads, I don't think anyone can suggest that it doesn't fit with our overarching trade philosophy of recent times.

More than any other club in the comp, we seek to treat our players with dignity and further their prospects for continued AFL footy, wherever that might be.

Many will suggest that they don't like that appoach at all. And that's all fine. But I think you do have to acknowledge and respect it.

While I generally don't like this year's trade outcomes for us either, I'm pleased that the club can stay classy in the midst of some pretty ordinary behaviour by clubs as they back players into very awkward positions to suit their own ends.

Anyway, grateful it's over for another 12 months so that posters can go the club over a whole host of other matters for a while.

 

[BlightysCats]

Yep new 3 year deal coming soon

Even if that happens come the end of 2017 when we've inevitably failed again under Scott there'll be a board push I guarantee it and Scott will be gone.

 

[GFrost]

We didn't want to do a straight swap with Richmond of Caddy for Deledio.
Fans didn't want to do a straight swap with Richmond of Caddy for Deledio.

End of trade period Richmond ended up getting more for Deledio than we got for Caddy?