Autopsy Positives and Negatives vs Carlton

[Bacchus]

Yes, I agree with you. Cripps is not a good comparison though because he is in the very top echelon of mids now that Voss has revitalized him. Cripps would have been in the system for eight years and played over a hundred and fifty games.

Yes, let’s hope Culley is better but we can’t expect anything like Cripps level straightaway. I think it is a good move preparing him gradually rather than throwing him to the wolves immediately.

 

[The wily weagle]

Serious question: does the club employ a sprint coach?

I am fully aware we will never have a club full of Usain bolts, but speed and explosiveness can absolutely be improved

 

[WCE_phil]

Tough coming in cold in the last when theteam is out of gas.

I am not convinced with Clark yet either. Feel he may be a yard or two of pace off AFL standard. In close you need agility which Clark lacks. Our last Brownlow winner wasnt fast either and I can see better physical attributes in Clark over Priddis.

Culley reportedly has a bit more pace, closer to Cripps level than Clark.

If your opponent has played 3 quarters and your only role is to shut down that player coming on fresh you should be primed to do so IMO.

 

[RookiePick]

If your opponent has played 3 quarters and your only role is to shut down that player coming on fresh you should be primed to do so IMO.

Not everyone has Nelson's skillset.

 

[Goosecat]

Watching Kelly getting out marked and outplayed by Cripps stood out at times. We didnt have a single mid who could match Cripps physically.

Hopefully next time Culley and Clark are playing to give us someone closer to his size. Our midfield just are too small and lack combative traits. We litterally get smashed by bigger midfields.

Size is not the issue. It doesn't matter if it's Lachie Neale, Caleb Serong, Tom Liberatore, Dane Zorko, Andrew Brayshaw, Darcy Parish, Touk Miller, Sam Walsh, Taylor Adams, Nathan Jones, even Cotchin and how he uses his body brilliantly at the contest. It's about body use, timing and intent. Even the Daicos boys can win one on one contests through their own special body positioning, use and read of the split second play. That comes from at it's most basic level; having genuine one on one ability. It's why I am personally drawn more to those draftees that can regularly win one on one contests, regardless of size when looking at midfielders. Ideally you find a couple of stars that can also read, run and spread but if they can't win one on one contests, I'm not that interested. It's a different weighted criteria set for other areas of the ground but that truism applies as much today as it always has regarding the A grade mids every team must have. You can have your sheer outsiders but if you don't have a core that can win their own ball, one on one, you're dead to me .

 

[Bacchus]

If your opponent has played 3 quarters and your only role is to shut down that player coming on fresh you should be primed to do so IMO.

Good point, Clark wasn’t up to it, got his **** handed to him.

 

[Ishmael_]

Disappointing game but not that disappointing if that makes sense?

Yeo and Cripps have been central to us finding some form and without them we looked a bit at sea.

Plenty of issues with conditioning and squad availability, but those can be fixed.

A bit to like out there too. Jones to the backline has been a great move. He's already defending better too.

 

[SloppyJoe]

Against Essendon we were backing 5m off the mark almost every time so we didn't have to stand and it really hampered their ball movement.

I hardly saw this at all yesterday. We just kept standing the mark like mugs and Carlton were chipping it around with ease.

 

[Deepthroat]

The play that seems to have generated the attention and debate was 1st quarter when Jones took them on in the centre resulting in the turnover goal.

For me it was the 45 seconds preceding Jones run that summed up our problems.

Naitanui took a great contested mark on the wing. We had not entered 50m all qtr. The time was then to wheel around and drive it long forward and give our boys a chance to hit up some 1v1 aerial chances, or bring the ball to ground and let the smalls go to work. But Nic chose to look behind and wait for a runner coming past, nobody was there immediately and by the time he hit up the runner who came forward he had effectively telegraphed his plan to anyone watching and handballed them into trouble. Then the ball was in dispute but got to Gaff who kicked it 40m backward. Yes, 40m backward. That player then also went backward (yes backward) and by the time we were "ball in hand" with Jones we were 60m behind where we started. Then Jones decided F-this and went for it and that was the bit that got highlighted. It's worth noting that where the Jones turnover happened was likely just further from goal than where Naitanui marked it.

It was very noticeable in the 2nd/3rd that there was some edict on not going backward. I could barely remember a backward kick. Positive footy and what a result. It was great intensity. Numbers, support, pressure. We actually played like a Top 8 side in that patch.

The last qtr was the big disappointment. To drop your bundle like that after effectively playing 2 qtrs was a disaster. If we can compete at a level like the 2nd/3rd, there is no reason why it shouldn't have continued.

One last one. Liam Ryan

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Liam Ryan

Age

28

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

.

His year has flown under the radar with all the other headlines. It's been horrendous. He spent all of yesterday jogging about and flapping his arms like he thought he was a baby bird about to take flight. His faux hard man acts cost us frees. He never put his head over it once and gave zero presence on the ground. This has been his year. He's a player we need more from now. 25 years old. 76 games. We need players like him to stand up as the older players move on. A statement should be made at selection this week.

 

[Balls In]

Disappointing game but not that disappointing if that makes sense?

Yeo and Cripps have been central to us finding some form and without them we looked a bit at sea.

Plenty of issues with conditioning and squad availability, but those can be fixed.

A bit to like out there too. Jones to the backline has been a great move. He's already defending better too.

I went away after that more disillusioned with this team than at any stage of the year. We had our arse handed to us at home by a team that hasn't beaten us in 8 games. Most of our first choice midfielders Nic, Shuey, Gaff, Redden, Kelly played and got annihilated and are only going to get worse in their careers. We are going to lose Kennedy who is simply irreplaceable and arguably won us our only two games of this year, our "defence" concedes over 100 points every week and can't generate rebound whatsoever. The team is poorly coached, unfit, mentally weak and has been for years. No faith in our recruiting team to not stuff up the draft.

 

[matthew_s]

We seem unfit but is this just that we are unsure of our role ?

We are absolutely positively not at the required fitness level of an AFL team.

 

[Trebor57]

I now understand why Rioli was off his game today

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He had a smellt down.

 

[Eagle Wrath]

 

[The Dodger]

Against Essendon we were backing 5m off the mark almost every time so we didn't have to stand and it really hampered their ball movement.

I hardly saw this at all yesterday. We just kept standing the mark like mugs and Carlton were chipping it around with ease.

That was something I was wondering as well. Non existant apart from a couple of instances where you cold hear the ump signal "Outside the5".
I thought it worked well against Essendon and wondered why it had been so quickly shelved.

On the JJ stuff I'm liking Jones run and carry. I don't really care at the moment that he is biting off more than he can chew it sticks out like the a sore thumb that he is the only one taking the game on. What really grinds my gears and it happened a couple of times yesterday is when someone has made that effort dash taken the risk and the next player in the chain slows it down and takes too long to make a decision and/or goes backwards meaning that risk was for nought.

Him and Yeo have been dragging this team forward in the last few weeks and we sorely missed Yeo yesterday to offer that dash and kick to compliment JJ's run and carry.

I think Harry Edwards is tracking well. Started to win some 1 outs during the period were Carlton weren't able to waltz the ball through the middle.
McKay and Curnow are having good years if you are going to judge and KPD on the time when the ball is coming out the middle at a rate of knots very few young KPD's are going to pass that test.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I would not be using these last games too much to judge how we will look next year. It is obvious we are basically in full development mode and the score board or wins are not the top priority. We are trialling players in different positions. Playing kids to see if we retain them or let them go.

And as someone else posted JK kicks his 700th and we didnt score for more than a quarter. Sneaky chance to still get pick 1.

A third of that side wont play round 1 next year. Lets wait and judge how our future looks at say round 6 next season.

Apart from Jones, who else is being trialled in a new position.

If you think we are getting pick 1, I’d say stop using the parcel that Willie left at the airport.

That is rather optimistic about having 2/3 our best 22 playing in round 1. Our S&C team have not delivered that high a success rate for some time

 

[paran]

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Geez that'd be tough for the colourblind...

 

[Matsu]

Bottom 2 side vs a team contending for top 4. About the amount of disgust and disappointment I expected. Eagles by 19 against whoever is next. #goeagles

 

[Obeanie1]

Apart from Jones, who else is being trialled in a new position.

If you think we are getting pick 1, I’d say stop using the parcel that Willie left at the airport.

That is rather optimistic about having 2/3 our best 22 playing in round 1. Our S&C team have not delivered that high a success rate for some time

Maybe they were all using it is in the1st and 4th quarters?

 

[flyinghi64]

That was something I was wondering as well. Non existant apart from a couple of instances where you cold hear the ump signal "Outside the5".
I thought it worked well against Essendon and wondered why it had been so quickly shelved.

On the JJ stuff I'm liking Jones run and carry. I don't really care at the moment that he is biting off more than he can chew it sticks out like the a sore thumb that he is the only one taking the game on. What really grinds my gears and it happened a couple of times yesterday is when someone has made that effort dash taken the risk and the next player in the chain slows it down and takes too long to make a decision and/or goes backwards meaning that risk was for nought.

Him and Yeo have been dragging this team forward in the last few weeks and we sorely missed Yeo yesterday to offer that dash and kick to compliment JJ's run and carry.

I think Harry Edwards is tracking well. Started to win some 1 outs during the period were Carlton weren't able to waltz the ball through the middle.
McKay and Curnow are having good years if you are going to judge and KPD on the time when the ball is coming out the middle at a rate of knots very few young KPD's are going to pass that test.

Shhhhhhhh. Maybe a tactic we were testing out and put to bed because it worked.

 

[WCE_phil]

Here's my issue with Jones. He is exactly the right type of player we want for a half back with his attacking run but im not sure we will ever be able to trust in his kicking and recklessness.

Almost the prototype of showing us what we need but at a significantly higher level. Yeo on HB makes a great case. He looks to take it on, isn't a magnificent kick but is a very long, penetrating kick. So you have 1 HB position filled. Cole to hopefully come back into the side next year as the lockdown small defender and then we need a run, carry and good kick defender. Hopefully with a good preseason Chesser could be that guy. I would prefer to keep Hough on one wing and Sheed on the other next year than bring chesser straight in as a mid.

I also despise that Gaff is not only being paid what he is but his play style has been rendered useless by the changes to the rules and game. I would be happy if he was to finish his career over east with us paying half his salary. We might be able to package that up with our third to get a second rounder (preferably next year) at best. Go to north or whomever and finish his career there. Even under the same scenario to North in particular with none of our picks headed that way their future third.

There is going to be a lot of father sons and academy picks next year and some are really looking the goods. Adding points to our draft pool next year could be of real significance in our draft hand.

Shit even if he comes good for another team for a couple of years I'm still all for it as he may be of use to another side but is of very little to ours. Even if it's just adding 400k into our salary cap each year for those two years we can bring other player payments forward and then really go hard at a free agent over the next 2 years.

 

[Eagle Wrath]

When will the eagles and this community get on Redden's case? The guy is a total list clogger. In the middle every game and most bounces and adds nothing. Too slow to tag, never gets a clearance and doesnt help the others get a clearance like Rowan Jones used to help Juddy. If I took over tomorrow, he would be in the WAFL and I would add, well any young mid in his place. Clarke, West, Oneill, Trew, even Culley.

I just don't understand how he is an automatic selection each week.

 

[Bushhopper]

When will the eagles and this community get on Redden's case? The guy is a total list clogger. In the middle every game and most bounces and adds nothing. Too slow to tag, never gets a clearance and doesnt help the others get a clearance like Rowan Jones used to help Juddy. If I took over tomorrow, he would be in the WAFL and I would add, well any young mid in his place. Clarke, West, Oneill, Trew, even Culley.

I just don't understand how he is an automatic selection each week.

Credits in the bank?

 

[Dylan82]

Against Essendon we were backing 5m off the mark almost every time so we didn't have to stand and it really hampered their ball movement.

I hardly saw this at all yesterday. We just kept standing the mark like mugs and Carlton were chipping it around with ease.

Carlton moved the ball on too quickly much of the time for the player on the mark to move "outside 5" during the early stages.

After that, our players struggled with confidence to back off and trust each other defensively.


In the latter stages, the team was simply too fatigued to be able to make the additional effort to get outside of the area in time.

 

[Avalor]

Big Harry. He is too slow for the calibre of forwards playing AFL these days. All he has got going for him is height.

 

[shooshka]

Big Harry. He is too slow for the calibre of forwards playing AFL these days. All he has got going for him is height.

Like most defenders, he looks slow when the ball is coming in fast. Then he looks up to the level when some pressure is applied up the ground.

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