Game Day Round 5: Collingwood v St Kilda, Sunday 16 April, 4.50pm, AO

[Jen2310]

If WHE was to ill to be considered for the 22 this week I don't see how he's an option for the sub.

What if he's required come the 1st quarter?

Fly said they expect him to be right and will fly to adelaide tomorrow.

 

[Scodog10]

I've got some confidence that Fly will make decisions based on more than a friendship.

Just because you or I might not agree with the selection doesn't mean that he has forfeited a presumption of professionalism.

Have you ever played footy? Coach favouritism is rife and linking that with a lack of professionalism is dare I say it… deficient. I have no doubt decisions are made on more than friendship it’s when it’s a line ball call that it rises to the surface. It’s not that difficult be consistent and pick on form not hunches.

FWIW my take is nothing new I made the same comments last week when the rubbish started. Gaben is bang on Markov hasn’t warranted senior footy yet.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

You're welcome for last nights result too gents

 

[stormskye]

Have you ever played footy? Coach favouritism is rife and linking that with a lack of professionalism is dare I say it… deficient. I have no doubt decisions are made on more than friendship it’s when it’s a line ball call that it rises to the surface.

FWIW my take is nothing new I made the same comments last week when the rubbish started. Gaben is bang on Markov hasn’t warranted senior footy yet.

Old spud Dawson and Lyon comes to mind

 

[JB1975]

Have you ever played footy? Coach favouritism is rife and linking that with a lack of professionalism is dare I say it… deficient. I have no doubt decisions are made on more than friendship it’s when it’s a line ball call that it rises to the surface. It’s not that difficult be consistent and pick on form not hunches.

FWIW my take is nothing new I made the same comments last week when the rubbish started. Gaben is bang on Markov hasn’t warranted senior footy yet.

Have I ever played footy? Goodness! Isn't that an odd question!

The painful truth is that I was never a coach's favourite. Too surly. Lost count of the number of McDonalds vouchers I was robbed of.

And now you're suggesting that Fly has considered Markov on merit, but that friendship was the factor which swayed him in a 'line ball call'. There's a fair bit of assumption in that line of thinking, to put it very kindly.

Edit: As an added thought, as an alternate view, how about the idea that Fly believes that Markov has a role to play within our structure? He knows that Markov hasn't been banging the door down, but believes that --with a bit more opportunity-- Markov's value will show itself?

Seems more likely for mine.

 

[Scodog10]

Have I ever played footy? Goodness! Isn't that an odd question!

The painful truth is that I was never a coach's favourite. Too surly. Lost count of the number of McDonalds vouchers I was robbed of.

And now you're suggesting that Fly has considered Markov on merit, but that friendship was the factor which swayed him in a 'line ball call'. There's a fair bit of assumption in that line of thinking, to put it very kindly.

For someone that’s played your comments around favouritism seemed odd, but this whole conversation has been that way. I was on both ends as a favourite and on the outer. It is simply factual that it comes into it because coaches are human too.

Nope what I said is it rises to the surface when it’s line ball which was last week. This week it’s clear cut and Ruscoe should have been in the 22 on the basis of his good and Markov’s average performance.

To address the edit that’s absolutely what the thinking is. The problem is his poor ball use. We’re going to lose the territory battle without a recognised ruckman unless Mitchell has a night out. That means we have to move the ball a long way often and need to be on defensively. Ruscoe is both a better user and better defensively to release a guy like IQ who struggled last week v Rayner. The poor ball use will be explained by McRae with his ethos on mistakes which is fine, but when you’re against a turnover team and losing the territory battle turnover kills you in your defenders.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

You're welcome for last nights result too gents

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Port one week. Blues the next. Thank you Crows very enjoyable match last night

 

[sideswipe]

For someone that’s played your comments around favouritism seemed odd, but this whole conversation has been that way. I was on both ends as a favourite and on the outer. It is simply factual that it comes into it because coaches are human too.

Nope what I said is it rises to the surface when it’s line ball which was last week. This week it’s clear cut and Ruscoe should have been in the 22 on the basis of his good and Markov’s average performance.

Find it hard to believe you were ever on both ends.


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[JB1975]

For someone that’s played your comments around favouritism seemed odd, but this whole conversation has been that way. I was on both ends as a favourite and on the outer. It is simply factual that it comes into it because coaches are human too.

Nope what I said is it rises to the surface when it’s line ball which was last week. This week it’s clear cut and Ruscoe should have been in the 22 on the basis of his good and Markov’s average performance.

Oh Sco, I was a prolific ball winner in the midfield. You should have seen me.

I had the knack for it which bordered on genius.

But I'm nothing if not a contradiction. I was almost as talented in turnovers. As soon as I found myself in space, I felt a near-orgasmic joy and freedom which transformed the normal standard of my disposal into something demented.

My ability to waste possession was nothing short of incredible.

But I digress...probably because there's nothing left of our exchange other than to run around in circles until one of us gets dizzy and falls over.

 

[Scodog10]

Find it hard to believe you were ever on both ends.


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Different coaches. If anything I was the better footballer with experience under the one that didn’t rate me. Sometimes personalities don’t align and we’re looking at one with Frampton who was on the outer with Nicks. Belief is powerful, but in the case of Markov it’s a sunk cost.

 

[swoop42]

Fly said they expect him to be right and will fly to adelaide tomorrow.

Mmmmm.

Then why not name him in the 22 if his position in the team is viewed that way and he can be a late out if he doesn't get up?

Starting to wonder if he's actually been demoted out of the 23 this week and we are using illness to change the narrative surrounding that decision.

 

[sr36]

Have you ever played footy? Coach favouritism is rife and linking that with a lack of professionalism is dare I say it… deficient. I have no doubt decisions are made on more than friendship it’s when it’s a line ball call that it rises to the surface. It’s not that difficult be consistent and pick on form not hunches.

I think you're a bit off the mark with this one. Last year we didn't really pick on form. We picked on role. Unlike the old way of picking the inform player in the VFL to play a totally different role in the AFL, they're picking from the blokes who are playing the role they want to fill. They're prefacing system and making sure the incoming player knows how to play the role in the system.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

A bit worried about Markov. We got killed by our turnovers last week, given our high-risk high-reward gamestyle, and Markov to my mind is the most likely to commit them.

I gather he’s preferred to Ruscoe, and he does run and carry more, but Ruscoe attempts high-value kicks and can definitely hit them. I think if I’m choosing a medium defender who might turn it over, Ruscoe would have been my choice.

 

[unplugged]

I'm undecided about Markov. If he's the sub, I'm fine with that. But I'm not sure he's in the best 22 yet. One things for sure, I'm not worried if he is beating Ruscoe for a position. Ruscoe ain't it as far as I'm concerned.

If WHE doesn't play I would've liked to see Allan debut.

 

[No SPIN]

I don’t get this burning desire to make Ginny “earn his spot”

He either improves our side and we include him or he doesn’t and is left out. The coaching staff think he improves us and based on how we’ve played the last two weeks I can’t disagree.

Scott did it with Stringer
Clarkson did it with Goldstein
Smart Coaches set standards with selection regardless of reputation.

 

[Mkcaptain]

Have to assume Nick is going to player higher up the ground like he did in the second half last week to accommodate Markov in the team.

 

[Mkcaptain]

I'm fine with a coach picking players that they rate. But at some stage integrity of selection becomes important if the 'captain's call' pick doesn't work out. One of our huge strengths is our squad unity across the AFL team and the VFL team, One of the quickest way to create fractures is when players start believing the coaches are playing favourites. No need for immediate concerns, just a watch and wait at this stage.

I'd love for Markov to do well for us. The story of him joining us after spending a day at Carlton and contributing to success would be hilariously awesome.

 

[pablo disco bar]

I think macrae looked at Markov...shrugged his shoulders...
Looked at Leppa and said..

#justplayhim

 

[Frankie23]

They’ve got a few quick smalls, potentially why Markov was favoured over Ruscoe.

 

[jmac70]

Can't see any logic or reason behind selecting Markov over Ruscoe. Ruscoe deserved the call up on the back of a best performance in the reserves, Markov hasn't done anything to warrant a senior gig since coming from being deemed not even part of our best 45 (or whatever the list number is now) to last minute filler.

I'm not putting a line through him or anything and hope he goes well, but it's a pretty average precedent we've set there. Same with Ginnivan, he was genuinely embarrassing to watch in the ressies last week; hopefully he repays the faith.

Come at me bootlickers

Lick your own boots.

 

[Mick F]

For someone that’s played your comments around favouritism seemed odd, but this whole conversation has been that way. I was on both ends as a favourite and on the outer. It is simply factual that it comes into it because coaches are human too.

Nope what I said is it rises to the surface when it’s line ball which was last week. This week it’s clear cut and Ruscoe should have been in the 22 on the basis of his good and Markov’s average performance.

To address the edit that’s absolutely what the thinking is. The problem is his poor ball use. We’re going to lose the territory battle without a recognised ruckman unless Mitchell has a night out. That means we have to move the ball a long way often and need to be on defensively. Ruscoe is both a better user and better defensively to release a guy like IQ who struggled last week v Rayner. The poor ball use will be explained by McRae with his ethos on mistakes which is fine, but when you’re against a turnover team and losing the territory battle turnover kills you in your defenders.

If you help your team win games you get picked, no matter if you are a complete dropkick.

 

[magpies42]

How is WHE out because of Illness but still named as an emergency??

 

[Bianconeri]

Scott did it with Stringer
Clarkson did it with Goldstein
Smart Coaches set standards with selection regardless of reputation.

He’s missed out on the first 4 rounds of season I’m pretty sure the standard has been set here.

 

[sr36]

I'm fine with a coach picking players that they rate. But at some stage integrity of selection becomes important if the 'captain's call' pick doesn't work out. One of our huge strengths is our squad unity across the AFL team and the VFL team, One of the quickest way to create fractures is when players start believing the coaches are playing favourites. No need for immediate concerns, just a watch and wait at this stage.

I'd love for Markov to do well for us. The story of him joining us after spending a day at Carlton and contributing to success would be hilariously awesome.

They're picking a bloke to play a role. If they want to play Daicos in a different area of the ground and they want to keep the same system of transition out of defence, Markov is far and away the best option. My money is on Nick the mid having commenced.

 

[Bianconeri]

They're picking a bloke to play a role. If they want to play Daicos in a different area of the ground and they want to keep the same system of transition out of defence, Markov is far and away the best option.

Are you referring to Nick Daicos? Because I don’t see the merit in replacing the most composed player on the list with the least.