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O'Shea isn't a great kick. I don't know anything about Litherland. But I can't see the pies taking ordinary kicks after getting rid of 5!

Smith has to be upgraded!!! Had s fantastic season and deserves it. Have Keeffe and Thomas been included in those numbers on the Rookie list as they become active shortly.

I'd rather play Medium defenders than have either of them at Collingwood. Both can't kick the shit off their own front lawn. No point dumping poor uses of the footy to recruit others.

Absolute dud that can't kick I reckon. Already got rid of 3 of them.

My pick.

We should look at putting Minson on the Rookie list. Need a back up Ruck...and please don't say cox! He's still learning the game.

Means if the bloke was 185cm he wouldn't have got drafted. He's a Spud, the only thing he has going for him is he's 209cm.

Bit like Jarrod Witts...if he wasn't that tall he would have played local footy his whole life.

9 senior list Players gone - Swan, Toovey, Macaffer, Goodyear, Brown, Witts, Cloke, Frost & Williams. 4 senior lists in - Wells, Mayne, WHE and Dunn. Upgrade - Smith DFA - Henderson/O'Shea Draft - KPD, Brown & Daicos

Ramsey - Dunn - Maynard Howe - Reid - Sinclair Sidey - Wells - Adams Mayne - White - WHE Fasolo - Moore - Elliott Grundy - Pendles - Treloar Aish - Varcoe - Crisp - De Goey FWD Depth - Cox, Broomhead, Blair, Crocker, C.Brown, J. Daicos MID Depth - Greenwood, Phillips, Thomas, Sier, Wills DEF...

The thing I like about our backline now is that we have good uses of the footy. Plus we have a few that are 190-192 that can play tall or small.

Nah just 14 a season.

Ramsey - Dunn - Maynard either way it's not as bad as many are making out!

Langdon - Dunn - Maynard Howe - Reid - Sinclair Sidey - Wells - Adams Mayne - White - WHE Fasolo - Moore - Elliott Grundy - Pendles - Treloar Aish - Varcoe - Ramsey - De Goey

No harm in giving him 12 months to clear his head and reassess.

4, 6, 8 & 10.

I was referring to senior listed players...not rookies.

Out: Swan, Toovey, Macaffer, Goodyear, Brown, Witts, Cloke, Frost, Williams - 9 Spots In: Wells, Mayne, WHE, Dunn, Smith (Upgrade) - 5 4 spots to Fill.

Clearly just wanted Marley gone.

Good to see the back of the cabbage and surprise, surprise pick 44 and 62. Lol

We need to just take what we can get because Cloke, Witts and Frost are lost causes. Williams is give 1 year and Marsh as leave of absence.

Good call. I've seen a bit of Close...happy with him for the ice skater!

Are we any chance of getting Freeman or Close for Frost? Surely Brisbane are trying to hold Onto all their young KPP...

Nah...he was one of the best state league FB's (VFL).

Legends member. Don't rate Witts and hate him. I'd happily see him delisted. We should take what we get offered cause he's hopeless IMO.

You might be on the money. Still means we are getting sweet FA for Witts/his value.

I don't know who that is...

Mate just heard Lyons and 53 for 44. Then 53 for Witts. Hahaha Witts you absolute Plodder.

I read that and was wondering the same thing. Cloke, Frost and Witts deals I'm guessing.

Yet Grundy gets clearances, lays tackles and kicks goals. Witts doesn't do any of that at AFL level.