Rumour 2023 Rumours and Speculation (Rumours total 33!, 1 BIG FISH ALERT last October 4th) (7 confirmed! 11 Busted!)

[BRL121]

I get you but we also am not entirely sure what the overall game plan is and whether they are lining up like that for a reason. I doubt it would be just stand behind your opponents because we are told too. Match simulations happen at practise. So I don't think its that simple as poor instruction. It could be as simple as players unable to out body their bigger midfield opponents. Which again perhaps leads to a poor selection and development philosophy if we are willing to accept and reward mediocrity under the guise we will get better.

Our midfield opponents were smallish, chunky, and fast, had a good game plan, and were all on the same page. Absolutely nothing was due to being unable to outbody bigger opponents. We excelled at tapping to the oppo, fumbling, bumbling, going HTB, and being on completely different volumes.

 

[cleanhands]

I get you but we also am not entirely sure what the overall game plan is and whether they are lining up like that for a reason. I doubt it would be just stand behind your opponents because we are told too. Match simulations happen at practise. So I don't think its that simple as poor instruction. It could be as simple as players unable to out body their bigger midfield opponents. Which again perhaps leads to a poor selection and development philosophy if we are willing to accept and reward mediocrity under the guise we will get better.

They shouldn’t be conceding front spot need to make it more uncomfortable for the opposition to win it, and if they do body them under the ruckman, it’s not an attacking position

 

[adelaidecrows]

They shouldn’t be conceding front spot need to make it more uncomfortable for the opposition to win it, and if they do body them under the ruckman, it’s not an attacking position

1st rule of jr footy was get in front. Same time we could tell Fog that.

 

[cleanhands]

1st rule of jr footy was get in front. Same time we could tell Fog that.

Yeh, I’m not convinced Fog is over his knee issue

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Why do we think VB is bad? Just because we don't rate the bloke from his playing days?

He has an All Australian midfielder who hadn't even played the position before this year.

I mean, I'm mostly playing devil's advocate, but it does seem a lot around here just assume the bloke must be incompetent, when he's probably making the most of some pretty mediocre talents.

Considering one of the reasons Dew supposedly lost his job was he was unprepared - I'm not sure that's an improvement.

When was VB all Australian?

Edit: nevermind, I was very tired when I read this.

 

[cleanhands]

When was VB all Australian?

Dawson reference

 

[1990crow]

When was VB all Australian?

 

[cleanhands]

Hope he’s got a sense of humour

 

[spenze]

Do we look at Dew to coach our midfield?

I can imagine his pre match gee up

“ right boys, I want you to be hungry at the contest, you want to feast on the tap work that O’Brien is giving you but when it gets hard, I want youse to show guts and a determination to have your fill, even when all you can get is scraps “

 

[Mostyn]

When was VB all Australian?

What? I was talking about Dawson being All Australian as a midfielder this year, after never having played the position before.

 

[BunjiMac]

The dislike of VB is convenient, but when you see the other decisions around selection and strategy it's pretty clear that the way the midfield plays is at the overall direction of Nicks.

Nick's backs consistency over talent and especially when the pressure is on. He craves routine and thinks that is the path to success. Fundamentally he prefers effort over talent too,despite realising late that you need a balance of both, he will fall back to this position when under pressure.

 

[Crow till I die]

The dislike of VB is convenient, but when you see the other decisions around selection and strategy it's pretty clear that the way the midfield plays is at the overall direction of Nicks.

Nick's backs consistency over talent and especially when the pressure is on. He craves routine and thinks that is the path to success. Fundamentally he prefers effort over talent too,despite realising late that you need a balance of both, he will fall back to this position when under pressure.

If you have elite stoppage systems in place and players prepared to gut run off the ball all day that can work where system overcomes better ability...but we don't have elite stoppage systems and essendon ran in waves against us a few days back not the other way around. So until our systems are elite, nicks is wrong based on what you say.

 

[BunjiMac]

If you have elite stoppage systems in place and players prepared to gut run off the ball all day that can work where system overcomes better ability...but we don't have elite stoppage systems and essendon ran in waves against us a few days back not the other way around. So until our systems are elite, nicks is wrong based on what you say.

As they say hard work beats talent when talent doest work hard.

In the AFL there are many more talented teams that work hard that (currently) will always beat us as long as our midfield remains the same.

We will get a win now and again when the talented teams slack off though.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

What? I was talking about Dawson being All Australian as a midfielder this year, after never having played the position before.

And having not trained with the midfielders in preseason

 

[George Kramer]

And having not trained with the midfielders in preseason

He did train, but a reduced amount. What does that tell you where we intended on playing him?

 

[MsTopG]

When was VB all Australian?

Maybe U18's.

 

[skam85]

Why do we think VB is bad? Just because we don't rate the bloke from his playing days?

He has an All Australian midfielder who hadn't even played the position before this year.

I mean, I'm mostly playing devil's advocate, but it does seem a lot around here just assume the bloke must be incompetent, when he's probably making the most of some pretty mediocre talents.

Considering one of the reasons Dew supposedly lost his job was he was unprepared - I'm not sure that's an improvement.

Dunno about you but I reckon a fairly decent KPI for a midfield coach would be performance of the midfield he coaches.

 

[spenze]

What? I was talking about Dawson being All Australian as a midfielder this year, after never having played the position before.

Just admit you were wrong VB was never AA…

 

[Danger in Texas]

Just admit you were wrong VB was never AA…

He literally didn’t say that he was

 

[spenze]

He literally didn’t say that he was

 

[MRB37]

HS running speculation this evening that Holland's could be on the move since the Suns need picks for the Academy players.

No specific teams mentioned, though they did the obvious linking to Carlton cause of his brother being there.

 

[pjcrows]

HS running speculation this evening that Holland's could be on the move since the Suns need picks for the Academy players.

No specific teams mentioned, though they did the obvious linking to Carlton cause of his brother being there.

 

[1990crow]

Hollands and Lukosius for first pick, GC second and future second?

 

[pjcrows]

Hollands and Lukosius for first pick, GC second and future second?

That wouldn't even get Lukosius.

 

[1990crow]

That wouldn't even get Lukosius.

I know. I don't think we can afford to give up a two firsts on Lukosius when midfield is the primary problem (especially with Welsh coming next year).