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You’ve danced around it. So you have no concerns that the senior coach’s judgement couldn’t work out for himself where his best player should play?

You also think playing Sloane ahead of Pedlar wasn’t Nicks opinion of the best thing for the team but he went along with it anyway?
How would I know? Nicks is the decision maker on both counts, and gets credit and blame in line with the quality of the decisions.
 

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How would I know? Nicks is the decision maker on both counts, and gets credit and blame in line with the quality of the decisions.
How would you know what? You know Nicks judgement was to play Dawson in defence until Dawson asked to be moved. Give Nicks credit for listening but his judgment was poor for not working it out himself. There’s no arguing that unless you’re scrambling trying to make up a defence.

As for Sloane, wow, yeah that has nothing to do with Nicks.
 
Accepting that it was Dawson's idea to go to the middle doesn't have any bearing on whether Nicks gets credit for the change, to me. Ultimately Nicks is the coach and its his decision where and how people play. This is especially true because we don't have perfect information about how decision making happens inside the club in general, so you have to evaluate the coach based on results. If Dawson wanted to play midfield and said so to Nicks, Nicks agreed to it and it worked, Nicks gets credit for it being a good decision when you're evaluating him as a coach. He listened to advice within the club and implemented it in an effective way.

To test this concept imagine if it happened in reverse. Dawson said he wanted to play in the midfield, Nicks agreed and put him in there and it was a disaster. Do you let Nicks off the hook here because it wasn't his idea? Or let's say that an assistant coach told Nicks that Sloane should be our #1 midfielder in 2024 and Nicks agreed to it. Do you blame Nicks if it doesn't work out? I certainly would.

The only exception here would be things where we have good reason to believe Nicks has little to no say in what happens. Like say Riley Thilthorpe's weights program or something.
What nonsense..

We traded Dawson in at the end of 2021..

For the next few months over that pre-season Nicksy and all the other coaches and the club carried on about “Dawson training the house down as a mid and how Dawson would be midfield bound at this club”.. Blah, blah, blah..

Come the 2022 1st round against Freo they chuck Dawson straight in the middle and, because it didnt instantly work, before the half time siren had even rung out, they’d thrown Dawson back into defense..

This is where he stayed for the rest of the year.. albeit sometimes working further up the ground on a wing..

Come R1 and R2 this year Dawson is still not in the centre/CB’s/midfield.

Before R3 against the Powa, Dawson himself approaches Nicksy (this is straight from the two horses mouth’s mind you - there is video evidence of it!) and asks to be used at CB’s and in the midfield..

The mental gymnastics required to somehow claim this was Nicksy’s decision, and he should be commended for it, is simply fxxkn laughable..

How could Nicksy and his team of proffessional coaches at the top of the best Aussie Rules football league not see that Dawson to the middle was needed to be initiated without the player approaching them and asking for them to consider it?..

And why… after just two quarters of football was the whole “Dawson as a Mid” in 2022 shelved?..

Everything about it just reeks of having morons in charge..

Morons that panic, and revert to the safe and secure option when their ideas dont instantly work..

morons that cannot identify the range of talents of players on their list..

morons that dont have the courage and foresight to make change..

Morons that constantly fall back to their old ways even after they say they wont.

morons that are reactive more than proactive.

And people here strangely defend this..

Its ok to point out the team you love’s deficiencies..
 
I mean, unless he does a Keeler, it should still be a good trade

I just think there’s a pretty dramatic drop-off after the first 8 non-academy picks. I like guys like Freijah and Sanchez, but they’re not guys we should look at drafting with our first as it currently stands, IMO
See I don't think the drop off you claim is nearly as dramatic as that, I see it as Harley Reid, Jed Walter>> Ethan Reid, Colby McKercher, Dan Curtin>> Zane Duursma, Nick Watson... personally I don't have Riley Sanders in that group and it gets down to what clubs see as holes in their list after that. Connor O'Sullivan could go higher than expected even if a club is looking at a KPP as a big need.
 
How would you know what? You know Nicks judgement was to play Dawson in defence until Dawson asked to be moved. Give Nicks credit for listening but his judgment was poor for not working it out himself. There’s no arguing that unless you’re scrambling trying to make up a defence.

As for Sloane, wow, yeah that has nothing to do with Nicks.
Why does Sloane have nothing to do with Nicks? Is this sarcasm? What I'm saying is that the buck stops with the coach on all matters except those which clearly have absolutely nothing to do with coaching. Where Dawson plays and whether Sloane is in the team/in the midfield clearly falls within Nicks' decision making authority, even if he's obviously not the only voice that matters.
 
See I don't think the drop off you claim is nearly as dramatic as that, I see it as Harley Reid, Jed Walter>> Ethan Reid, Colby McKercher, Dan Curtin>> Zane Duursma, Nick Watson... personally I don't have Riley Sanders in that group and it gets down to what clubs see as holes in their list after that. Connor O'Sullivan could go higher than expected even if a club is looking at a KPP as a big need.
Non-academy wise, I’ve got (not in order)

Reid
Curtin
Duursma (don’t rate him this high but realistically he’s going top 5)
Watson
Wilson
McKercher
Caddy
O’Sullivan

Would prefer to trade down rather than stay we are, if we’re not trading up tbh
 
... Problem is, we can’t trade GC’s 2nd back to them, ...
Don't know - will be interesting if we do try and see what happens.

Remember, the rule was originally brought in to stop Clubs trading away a high pick to avoid having to use it to match a bid and then trading it back after the bid, all on draft night. Then, because it was the Crows, then applied the rule to a pick traded during the lead up trade period.

Now, the GC pick was made the previous season - they'd be really petty and campaignerish to stop us trading it back to GC this season.
 
You’ve danced around it. So you have no concerns that the senior coach’s judgement couldn’t work out for himself where his best player should play?

You also think playing Sloane ahead of Pedlar wasn’t Nicks opinion of the best thing for the team but he went along with it anyway?

Is that a rumour or a Nicks thread argument. Let’s not have all the threads hammering out the same boring




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See I don't think the drop off you claim is nearly as dramatic as that, I see it as Harley Reid, Jed Walter>> Ethan Reid, Colby McKercher, Dan Curtin>> Zane Duursma, Nick Watson... personally I don't have Riley Sanders in that group and it gets down to what clubs see as holes in their list after that. Connor O'Sullivan could go higher than expected even if a club is looking at a KPP as a big need.

So you have a top 6 essentially and then a drop off where clubs will pick for need rather than pure talent? Excluding Walter as an option


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Grundy in the tri-colors next year.
I'd be interested in putting an offer to him. For the quality player he is, he'd come cheap and I wonder much of his salary we'd actually be paying at this rate if Pies still are, and Demons are keen to offload and recoup their losses.

We've shown this year that we are right on the edge of sling-shotting up the ladder. There's still some areas of improvement yes, but we've taken it to the big teams and now just need to improve performances away and need to become a little more consistent (which technically should happen with the young list).

If we were giving up an arm and a leg to get Grundy on big big money, it's a definite no. But surely he comes cheap now? This is an A grade quality ruckman we are talking about. While I understand the argument around rucks being one of the least important positions on the list, when you are talking about a ruckman like Grundy who is essentially another midfielder, then why would you say no? An accquistion like Grundy would no doubt help us shoot up the ladder even quicker. At the age of 30 he'd have 3-4 good years left in him, and in that time we've hopefully nurtured the next up and comer.

Trade ROB, he's good, but he's not good enough IMO. Let him be someone else's problem. Try to bring in some more currency to get Gold Coast's pick 4, or trade for picks in next years draft where there seems to be a lot more talent. Strachan can remain our depth and we can look to draft a project ruckman this year hopefully as their appears to be a few decent options. While it was only a few spurts, I also didn't mind the look of Gollant as relief ruck last night.

12-24 months ago I would have said despite his obvious talent as the No.1 ruck, trading for Grundy would be pointless. However our performances this year has me bullish as to what we can achieve next year, and again I think if he's available cheap, we would be outright stupid to at least be asking the question. Worst comes to worst we drive up his price and make Port or the others cough up.
 
Believe trading for Baldwin would be a positive as a KPP with lots of ability that could revert to a fwd if deemed necessary .
Certainly worth the risk and should be very cheap trade wise.
Although he has done better than expected and with a demand to get spaces in list I would not be keeping Borlase as too slow in all round movements.
Whilst probably not as cheap to get I still saw in games leading to draft that I think Hollands is worth having a look at.
 
Are they?

Thought they were closer to 12 months still?

Wasn't Doedee out of AFL for a full year?

It's not only about being ready to play, but match fit for AFL.
Yes, that came direct from a physio. There are players in the NFL that get back in 6 months.

If you’re playing ammos and don’t have access to elite recovery programs, then sure 12 months still applies, but in a professional environment 9 months is becoming more common.

As a recent example, Sloane was ready to go before the season started and was training strongly at the 9-10 month mark. That’s a 33 year old vs the young 20 year old Murray. Unless there are any setbacks during the recovery, I think he’s back playing by mid season.
 
Expectations on Welsh much?

He has looked very good at times but maybe we should temper our expectations a tad?
I seem to remember the Drooling, this time last year over Ashton Moir .....if we didn't have a top 10 pick, there was no chance of getting him

Pfffttttt .....bottom age assessments
 
A couple of comments from the player saying he trained less with the mids and he went to Nicks, then throw in where Nicks played him in the preseason, first 2 games and last year and how is that speculating?

As for a narrative, it’s clear what yours is

seems we've missed the context again. Bit like extending Sloaney because we don't have anyone for the nippy small forwards. We just get the context wrong, nothing linking Sloane and nippy small forwards there.
 
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