2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[stavro#4]

If any 2 of Smith, Draper or Lalor are still available at 5&6, I'd love to pick 2 of those.

Should 2 if them be taken, I'd rather us take the punt in splitting 6 for 2 picks in the 10s, (freos 10+17 for example)

The talent is pretty even throughout, there will be a few diamonds who will slide.

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If 2 of those are gone.

Then atleast one of Trainor Smillie FOS would be at our pick.

+ the one not taken of the 3 you mentioned.

You cant really lose from out position either way.

 

[gringo2011]

GC will almost certainly trade out of the early first round before Draft Night, or they will bundle their picks to go into the top 3. North makes the most sense @ 3 as you'd think that's the earliest possible position someone would bid.

That being said, I wonder if they'd be interested in trading their current first rounder ( 6 currently) for our future first (you'd assume a pick between 4-10). Maybe this would require a swap of our 2nd for their 3rd to give them a points boost this year, but it does allow them to keep their first round presence going until next year. It's kind of similar to what OKC does in the NBA; always have capital so you can always move up or down depending on needs

I hate trading out future picks. We could go either way next year. Bottom 3 or finals aren't out of the question.

Next year Sandy Dragons have a gun mid prospect coming through. Jack Dalton. It's too early to call yet but I think next year might have a more talented front end.

 

[stavro#4]

I hate trading out future picks. We could go either way next year. Bottom 3 or finals aren't out of the question.

Next year Sandy Dragons have a gun mid prospect coming through. Jack Dalton. It's too early to call yet but I think next year might have a more talented front end.

So are we not making finals next year?
Are we finishing low enough to pick this kid?

I’m not sure exactly what matters about what you have said.
There is nearly 2 years of major sample size on these kids. If the club likes them enough. Can get a pick good enough. Why would you jump in and take a player you have targeted?

I’d be thrilled if we went back in for example and grabbed tobie travaglia at the expense of your F1 and behind potentially 2 elite mids if Battle leaves.

 

[gringo2011]

So are we not making finals next year?
Are we finishing low enough to pick this kid?

I’m not sure exactly what matters about what you have said.
There is nearly 2 years of major sample size on these kids. If the club likes them enough. Can get a pick good enough. Why would you jump in and take a player you have targeted?

I’d be thrilled if we went back in for example and grabbed tobie travaglia at the expense of your F1 and behind potentially 2 elite mids if Battle leaves.

Because Dalrymple hasn't had a great run with first round picks since leaving the Dogs. He's blown most of his picks but nabbed Chad Warner and Jordon Dawson with late picks. I'm not mortgaging our future to get into this draft. Next year they'll be trying to trade out our good players again, looking to get back into the first round.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I hate trading out future picks. We could go either way next year. Bottom 3 or finals aren't out of the question.

Next year Sandy Dragons have a gun mid prospect coming through. Jack Dalton. It's too early to call yet but I think next year might have a more talented front end.

Everyone wan'ts a big trade week NOW!!!. Then they cry a few weeks later when we have a crappy draft because we traded all the picks.
Then they want draft picks NOW!!!!.
Then cry next year when we have no draft picks.

 

[Yawkey way]

I have always followed it too, probably not as close as you. This year we get much more online access to full matches. I reckon possibly over exposure makes it easier to mark players down. When you see mostly highlight reels it makes everyone look elite. Still not sold on the front end though. I reckon there will be Clark and Coffields in this one. Hopefully we don’t get them.

There’s a lot more interest and it’s online so more people are definitely getting a better idea of what the kids offer. The highlights are what they are, I don’t mind them but I wouldn’t pay too much attention to them.

I don’t go to the games these days so I’m not seeing anymore than anyone else who’s watching on the box. Even then I was just another casual observer so it’s just another opinion and we all have our favourites and that’s great.

I get the reservations about the top 6 but I like what I see and for reference someone who knows told me Ashcroft would have played round 1 this year if he was eligible. Smith having a great debut with the tigers in the vfl is another good indicator imo. So if you use those things as a yardstick there’s definitely some guns. Injuries have contributed to a few being below their best as well but as with every year we won’t really know for a few years who got it right and who missed.

I love the draft and always look forward to it but we have to get through the trade period first and I’m a lot less enthusiastic about that and this year is no different.

 

[gringo2011]

There’s a lot more interest and it’s online so more people are definitely getting a better idea of what the kids offer. The highlights are what they are, I don’t mind them but I wouldn’t pay too much attention to them.

I don’t go to the games these days so I’m not seeing anymore than anyone else who’s watching on the box. Even then I was just another casual observer so it’s just another opinion and we all have our favourites and that’s great.

I get the reservations about the top 6 but I like what I see and for reference someone who knows told me Ashcroft would have played round 1 this year if he was eligible. Smith having a great debut with the tigers in the vfl is another good indicator imo. So if you use those things as a yardstick there’s definitely some guns. Injuries have contributed to a few being below their best as well but as with every year we won’t really know for a few years who got it right and who missed.

I love the draft and always look forward to it but we have to get through the trade period first and I’m a lot less enthusiastic about that and this year is no different.

Don't disagree. It's not like it's devoid of any talent. I just don't think there is a lot of absolute stand out. Doing the phantom draft is interesting, it's not as easy as it looks even with Langford and Smilie who should be a haul I'm not 100% confident that you are getting two guns.

I think Langford looks like a Jack Steele level player who if attitude and talent allow might be a step above but doesn't seem to have that absolute X factor.

Smilie could be a total bust or an absolute star. His Champs performances were pretty shit to be honest. Looked half interested at times.

I think Jagga is forming as top 3 for sure so won't get access to him. Think he's probably more guaranteed as a high end POD mid.

FOS- injured and ordinary on return but probably last year looked a pick 1, Hotton, injured so a dice roll, Reid- a bit slow but elite looking, Travaglia- maybe Will Day but maybe more Zac Jones, Trainor looks blue-chip but probably gone and not really a need, Draper a class player but not an absolute ball-pig bull, Lalor has some power and strength but lacks polish and could be a gun or a spud. Bo Allen and Lindsay both look good but probably a reach for either at our pick.

Those guys just off the top end probably where there is a bit of value I reckon. A lot of the talls and small forwards look good. Armstrong, Berry, Kako, Whitlock, Faul, Shanahan, Tauru, Sims etc.

Then that next crop of could be anythings Moraes, Gross, Oliver, Hynes etc.

I'd like lots of irons in the fire because I think you'll get talent all through this one but not necessarily the order that they are picked at. It's a real crapshoot.

 

[Anythings_sipposible]

I hate trading out future picks. We could go either way next year. Bottom 3 or finals aren't out of the question.

Next year Sandy Dragons have a gun mid prospect coming through. Jack Dalton. It's too early to call yet but I think next year might have a more talented front end.

Totally get what you're saying, and it really is a risk.

I do think if you can get value the benefit of developing a group of kids together outweighs the risk of you sh*tting the bed and giving up a top 5 pick for a mid round one. If we were able to add 2-3 high end players in one fell swoop, and start developing them right away, I think that that has more appeal than saying adding just one elite player a year through our natural first rounder. Also adding a bunch of kids can really invigorate a playing list. I think Melbourne did this really well when they brought in Kozzi and Jackson. Port too with Butters, Rozee and Dursma. Essendon with Cox, Perkins and Reid, however, shows that it's not a guarantee, and you may just bring in a handfull spuds.

Equally, I think that this year is the year to move in to, considering the even spread across the first 20 odd picks. Every chance we pick up a really good player with a pick between 8-15.

But yeah I get what you're saying

 

[gringo2011]

Totally get what you're saying, and it really is a risk.

I do think if you can get value the benefit of developing a group of kids together outweighs the risk of you sh*tting the bed and giving up a top 5 pick for a mid round one. If we were able to add 2-3 high end players in one fell swoop, and start developing them right away, I think that that has more appeal than saying adding just one elite player a year through our natural first rounder. Also adding a bunch of kids can really invigorate a playing list. I think Melbourne did this really well when they brought in Kozzi and Jackson. Port too with Butters, Rozee and Dursma. Essendon with Cox, Perkins and Reid, however, shows that it's not a guarantee, and you may just bring in a handfull spuds.

Equally, I think that this year is the year to move in to, considering the even spread across the first 20 odd picks. Every chance we pick up a really good player with a pick between 8-15.

But yeah I get what you're saying

I think this is one you'd rather trade down for then. Try to get GC ahead of Lombard and try to split a pick for a couple of later first rounders if you've got Battle compo. Trading out of future picks is never a great idea unless you are paying up for a star quality younger player.

 

[Anythings_sipposible]

I think this is one you'd rather trade down for then. Try to get GC ahead of Lombard and try to split a pick for a couple of later first rounders if you've got Battle compo. Trading out of future picks is never a great idea unless you are paying up for a star quality younger player.

I think the last part of what you said is just wrong, and there are plenty of examples of both successful and unsuccessful future trades of future picks. We ourselves benefitted from trading picks with Hawthorn when they were trying to get Jager

Edit: Our example actually goes against my point

 

[stavro#4]

Because Dalrymple hasn't had a great run with first round picks since leaving the Dogs. He's blown most of his picks but nabbed Chad Warner and Jordon Dawson with late picks. I'm not mortgaging our future to get into this draft. Next year they'll be trying to trade out our good players again, looking to get back into the first round.

This isn’t true outside of Dylan Stephens. It has been pointed out to you multiple times.

He has had a massive hit in each of his drafts aswell.

With 2022 and 23 not yet able to assess as the swans haven’t used these kids yet.

 

[Joffaboy]

Dont know about next years draft, but the one after apparently is the best ever

 

[CursingFijian]

so is the consensus that we'll miss out on Don (draper)? If there's no hope of us getting him I'll feel better about winning the next 4 straight and sneaking into the finals

SA boy isn’t he? You would think that he won’t get past the crows. So as it stands he’s definitely off the table. IMO.

 

[stavro#4]

Dont know about next years draft, but the one after apparently is the best ever

 

[_Maximus_12]

Truthfully, the drafts are likely to produce more talent each year as the league continues to invest in the talent pathways and academies.

That said, it's up to strike while we're positioned poorly on the ladder and add talent to a list that has plenty of talent outside of the midfield.

If we can add 2-3 genuine mids over the break to develop alongside Phillipou and compliment our established mids then we are in a position to progress quickly.

 

[gringo2011]

This isn’t true outside of Dylan Stephens. It has been pointed out to you multiple times.

He has had a massive hit in each of his drafts aswell.

With 2022 and 23 not yet able to assess as the swans haven’t used these kids yet.

2018 he arrived so we'll give him 2018 draft.


2018- Blakey academy, Rowbottom 25, McInerney 44, Foot 51. Blakey was a free hit. Rowbottom and McInerney are good but not exceptional players.

2019- Dylan Stephens- shit, Will Gould- shit, Elijah Taylor delisted early, Chad Warner- elite, Rowles- Maibalm.

2020- Gulden and Campbell academy, McDonald and Shether. McDonald his high live pick is a decent player with scope to be good. Others are free hits.

2021- Sheldrick, Roberts, Corey Warner, Rankin. Sheldrick looks like a good VFL player. Corey Warner looks a bit spuddy.

2022- Vickery and Mitchell- probably too early to tell on this and 2023

2023 Green, Cleary, Snell.

I'd say Warner, Rowbottom and McDonald are his best. The academy kids he doesn't get.

 

[stavro#4]

2018 he arrived so we'll give him 2018 draft.


2018- Blakey academy, Rowbottom 25, McInerney 44, Foot 51. Blakey was a free hit. Rowbottom and McInerney are good but not exceptional players.

2019- Dylan Stephens- shit, Will Gould- shit, Elijah Taylor delisted early, Chad Warner- elite, Rowles- Maibalm.

2020- Gulden and Campbell academy, McDonald and Shether. McDonald his high live pick is a decent player with scope to be good. Others are free hits.

2021- Sheldrick, Roberts, Corey Warner, Rankin. Sheldrick looks like a good VFL player. Corey Warner looks a bit spuddy.

2022- Vickery and Mitchell- probably too early to tell on this and 2023

2023 Green, Cleary, Snell.

I'd say Warner, Rowbottom and McDonald are his best. The academy kids he doesn't get.

Robert’s looks fantastic. McDonald looks very good aswell.

Rowbottom and McInerney would walk into any sides. They are good players.

 

[gringo2011]

Truthfully, the drafts are likely to produce more talent each year as the league continues to invest in the talent pathways and academies.

That said, it's up to strike while we're positioned poorly on the ladder and add talent to a list that has plenty of talent outside of the midfield.

If we can add 2-3 genuine mids over the break to develop alongside Phillipou and compliment our established mids then we are in a position to progress quickly.

To me we need to get a bridging player because we have around 3 years to make a run while we still have the bulk of our best older players and kid isn't likely to come in and control the midfield from day one. Phillipou is probably more likely to step up than a kid we grab this year.

Someone to cover the loss of Crouch. Jarrod Lyons/ Jack Macrae type of extractor on the cheap. Keep drafting with our better picks.

 

[gringo2011]

Robert’s looks fantastic. McDonald looks very good aswell.

Rowbottom and McInerney would walk into any sides. They are good players.

I haven't really noticed him to be honest. Looked his stats up. Looks like he played well last weekend but his stats look meh before that. McDonald looks flaky as **** in front of goals but might go better now that they've moved him down back.

McInerney and Rowbottom are good players for sure. They aren't the players that you'd sell the farm to chase though. They are what I'd call core players which we have heaps of.

 

[_Maximus_12]

To me we need to get a bridging player because we have around 3 years to make a run while we still have the bulk of our best older players and kid isn't likely to come in and control the midfield from day one. Phillipou is probably more likely to step up than a kid we grab this year.

Someone to cover the loss of Crouch. Jarrod Lyons/ Jack Macrae type of extractor on the cheap. Keep drafting with our better picks.

Yep, I don't think anyone would disagree. You add two elite young mids, to go with Pou and McCrae or Parker and we have a great mix.
I'm hoping Hotton gets a look in between now and end of the season as he's started to string some consistent games together at VFL level and potentially adds another element of depth to a very weak area.

 

[gringo2011]

Yep, I don't think anyone would disagree. You add two elite young mids, to go with Pou and McCrae or Parker and we have a great mix.
I'm hoping Hotton gets a look in between now and end of the season as he's started to string some consistent games together at VFL level and potentially adds another element of depth to a very weak area.

Our midfield is soft and lacks top end but we probably have plenty of numbers if we add a couple of kids and an established mid. Small forward depth, a tall to replace Battle and maybe 2 if Howard goes, probably start looking for a second wing to go with Wilson for when Hill and Wood are gone in a couple of seasons. Otherwise a Travaglia type to replace Nas down back and send him up to the wing.

 

[noobermensch]

Langford had a superb Champs series and was duly named joint winner of the Larke medal for player of the tournament.

 

[gringo2011]

Langford had a superb Champs series and was duly named joint winner of the Larke medal for player of the tournament.

He's a very good mark and kicking is so much better than most of his peers. I think he'll be at least a Jack Steele level player with scope to be something a bit better depending on attitude and drive etc. Just never seems to play badly. I rate champs form and consistency highly.

 

[stavro#4]

He's a very good mark and kicking is so much better than most of his peers. I think he'll be at least a Jack Steele level player with scope to be something a bit better depending on attitude and drive etc. Just never seems to play badly. I rate champs form and consistency highly.

2 x All Australian
2 x BnF winner
1 x Third place BnF finish
AFLPA most courageous player
Third place Brownlow finish
Captain since 2021.

Atleast a Jack Steele player is a star. ^^^

So yes please.

 

[gringo2011]

2 x All Australian
2 x BnF winner
1 x Third place BnF finish
AFLPA most courageous player
Third place Brownlow finish
Captain since 2021.

Atleast a Jack Steele player is a star. ^^^

So yes please.

Why are you keen to get rid of Jack Steele for picks then?

Jack Steele is an excellent high level player for sure. We don't need more very good though, we need a couple of absolute top shelf stars to take the next step. You aren't complaining if you get another Steele but the dream is for someone that one step up from him.