Australia vs India First Test - Adelaide Oval - Dec 9 - Dec 13

[mikey127]

So the last 2 weeks Clarke earns some respect but then goes and blows it by being selfish. Not what I expect from an Australian captain.

 

[Big Bryza]

I think everyone is forgetting Clarke went into the game with an injury cloud on his hamstring, not his back. He has degenerative problem with his back, it could goat any time. Unluckily it happened the very test there was some doubt over his hamstring. But it had nothing to do with his injury cloud coming into the game, just bad luck.

His hamstring problems come from his back. I have no issue with him playing in this situation though, even with his own preparation being compromised. You do wonder how long he's got left in his playing career. His back will only get worse.

 

[Gough]

Great day today, both teams did Hughes' memory proud and by f*** wasn't it good to see some cricket again after all the heartache,

 

[Big Bryza]

Disappointing end to a day we dominated has left things about even in my opinion. We won't have Clarke to bat again. As harsh as it sounds, maybe Warner should take heed of throwing his wicket away when he is dominating. Rogers, Watson and Haddin should be playing for their future but I doubt that the selectors think that. Impressed with Marsh and think he has a big future- bowling or not. Smith and Warner are at the peak of their powers at the minute.
I think Wade deserves another go over Haddin, especially since Smith is standing up as a viable stand in captain over Clarke.
As for Clarke, he shouldn't have played but I think everyone understands why he did but it won't ever happen again.
All in all a pretty good effort today considering the turmoil of the last couple of weeks.

Well said.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Doesn't change the fact that Wade is in my opinion - not good enough to be a full time test keeper.

The only person here who has more than guesswork to work with in regards to the selectors is @western_royboy anyway

Which I think is flawed logic.

Healy was a great gloveman.
His successor, Gilchrist, not quite as good.
His successor, Haddin, even worse.

Now Wade was selected as our test keeper with keeping on par with Haddin imo, which has now improved. He is rightfully 1st in line for Haddin's place.

Hopefully he gets another 50 more runs to start putting pressure on.

 

[Big Bryza]

He saved Australia a couple of times against South Africa in the One Dayers and has a test century. He's a good player

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.

 

[kenneje]

I couldn't give a shit if we win or lose the test on the back of Michael Clarke going off injured.

If him playing helped him, or any other person in the Australian side move on, then it was the right decision in my book.

 

[The_Reaper]

Which I think is flawed logic.

Healy was a great gloveman.
His successor, Gilchrist, not quite as good.
His successor, Haddin, even worse.

Now Wade was selected as our test keeper with keeping on par with Haddin imo, which has now improved. He is rightfully 1st in line for Haddin's place.

Hopefully he gets another 50 more runs to start putting pressure on.

He's not first in line according to western royboy

And just because keeping standards are going down doesn't mean they should continue to do so. Gilchrist's batting more than made up for it.

Haddin's batting compared to Hartley and Manou made up for it.

Is Wade's batting that much better than Nevill and Whiteman?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

He's not first in line according to western royboy

And just because keeping standards are going down doesn't mean they should continue to do so. Gilchrist's batting more than made up for it.

Haddin's batting compared to Hartley and Manou made up for it.

Is Wade's batting that much better than Nevill and Whiteman?

Short answer Yes

 

[The_Reaper]

Short answer Yes

That one extra run on average over Nevill is worth that much?

 

[Big Bryza]

If people want to debate Wade's selection in the team then it's open for debate right?

So I assume you've been following the Vics around the country to keep an eye on Wades keeping?

 

[The_Reaper]

So I assume you've been following the Vics around the country to keep an eye on Wades keeping?

I'm a uni student with way too much free time. I try and catch a fair bit of every team.

Wade's keeping is the worst of any of the shield regulars.

 

[getgaff]

Good days cricket. Game was played well and in the spirit of cricket. Warner's knock obviously stands out as does Smith's. The departure of Clarke left me disapointed as did the dismissals of Rogers and Watson.

Rogers was scratchy for his 9, one good shot that went for 4, possibly suffered from Warner dominating a lot of the early strike. Watson's wicket was typical.

The last hour of the day has left honours a lot more even than when Marsh and Smith where in and settled. Playing the night watchman backfired X 2 when Lyon and Haddin both went before stumps. I don't see Clarke batting again so we are effectively 7fa. I'd tell Smith and Johnson to try and chase quick runs in the first hour get the lead up as close to 450 as possible.

 

[Power Raid]

Wade and Haddin have the same average. Wade has 2 hundreds from 12 tests and Haddin 4 from 50-odd. Haddin is far more consistent and has dug us out of plenty holes too. I'd wager Haddin has Wade covered on Shield records too. The_Reaper might be able to help us out there.

There is a reason why Haddin has been selected ahead of Wade in the past

but there are reasons to revisit that today

 

[King Elvis]

Should've been a clear winning day for us, but Warner had a brain fade, Clarke predictably cooked, Marsh has a lapse in concentration....

We're still in a strong position - then Bad strides out and gets a duck in the last over.

He's done - make Smith the VC tomorrow and move on from HADDIN.

 

[The_Reaper]

There is a reason why Haddin has been selected ahead of Wade in the past

but there are reasons to revisit that today

And the other keepers should be in consideration.

It should not be a Haddin or Wade option

 

[Power Raid]

Should've been a clear winning day for us, but Warner had a brain fade, Clarke predictably cooked, Marsh has a lapse in concentration....

We're still in a strong position - then Bad strides out and gets a duck in the last over.

He's done - make Smith the VC tomorrow and move on from HADDIN.

wade for the second innings?

 

[the_interloper]

Give the Phillip Hughes stuff a rest. You've made your point ad nauseam.

I'm sure his frustration is due as much to the commentators and the media circus about this than anything else, I'm glad I'm not the only one to be honest. There's a lot to be said for a dignified, simple memorial and then getting on with the job.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

That one extra run on average over Nevill is worth that much?

Yes.

He has a test average .41 higher than Haddin
A FC average 2.43 higher than Whiteman.
7.62 higher than Hartley.
Whilst being 2.02 less than Nevill.

What he has in favour over the last 3 is that he already has test experience and 2 test centuries. He should get the first crack as the one who has experienced test cricket previously. He's also playing well so far this Sheffield Shield season.

 

[Gough]

Can't see the selectors binning Haddin when there's a fair chance a new captain will be needed for the rest of the series. Debate is moot for mine, Haddin was captain for Brisbane prior to the Hughes tragedy, one innings isn't going to change that.

 

[King Elvis]

It should.

Haddin should not be Captain - I don't care if he's a good team man (which I'm sure he is), his actual cricket is not good enough, and he plays like a dumb kid, not a disciplined leader.

 

[Doss]

I'm sure his frustration is due as much to the commentators and the media circus about this than anything else, I'm glad I'm not the only one to be honest. There's a lot to be said for a dignified, simple memorial and then getting on with the job.

Which is fair enough. The snide references to it in every post is unnecessary, though.

 

[The_Reaper]

Yes.

He has a test average .41 higher than Haddin
A FC average 2.43 higher than Whiteman.
7.62 higher than Hartley.
Whilst being 2.02 less than Nevill.

What he has in favour over the last 3 is that he already has test experience and 2 test centuries. He should get the first crack as the one who has experienced test cricket previously. He's also playing well so far this Sheffield Shield season.

Massive.

I guess we should bring in Hilfenhaus next time a quick gets injured. Right?

 

[King Elvis]

He had an incredible Ashes last summer, let's make that his swan song at home and move on, because it was a temporary purple patch, not a sign of a consistent resurgence.

 

[Gough]

Over 3000 runs @ 35 and 230 dismissals in 50 odd Tests. What more do you want from him? The team lacks leaders as it is.