Australia vs India First Test - Adelaide Oval - Dec 9 - Dec 13

[Art Vandelay_]

Massive.

I guess we should bring in Hilfenhaus next time a quick gets injured. Right?

He's historically as good as those being mentioned as being next in line. Is in good form and has previous experience at the level.

Good comparison with Hilfenhaus lol....

a) he's nowhere near the top of the queue... whereas Wade is.....
b) he's not in good form.... whereas Wade is....

 

[HBF]

Gone from being way out in front to honors being shared at the end of day 1.
Just a really disappointing final 45 minutes for the aussies today.

If Johnson, Harris and Siddle bat sensibly with Smith tomorrow there's no reason why we couldn't get to 450.

Should be a ripping 1st session tomorrow morning.

 

[the_interloper]

Over 3000 runs @ 35 and 230 dismissals in 50 odd Tests. What more do you want from him? The team lacks leaders as it is.

At that average he warrants a specialist bat role. Though he does have a history of throwing it away when some leadership is needed of course. Leadership can be overrated in cricket but the easiest way to show leadership is by putting a price on your wicket, and he often doesn't do this.

 

[Smoooothy]

Pretty hard to fathom we dominate for 85 overs and it's evened up in the space of 30 balls

 

[The_Reaper]

He's historically as good as those being mentioned as being next in line. Is in good form and has previous experience at the level.

Good comparison with Hilfenhaus lol....

a) he's nowhere near the top of the queue... whereas Wade is.....
b) he's not in good form.... whereas Wade is....

Wade is at the top of the queue?

Only poster here with any clue suggested otherwise.

And is Wade's form really that good?

Average 29 against South Africa.
Had two innings at shield level- did score two 50s but two innings isn't much of a sample.
Average 16.8 from 6 games in the Matadors

But of course he's an ironclad guaranteed selection.

Hilfenhaus has actually been in a test squad more recently than Wade btw

 

[grizzlym]

Forever linked.

For Phil

Don't come back.

 

[Gough]

At that average he warrants a specialist bat role. Though he does have a history of throwing it away when some leadership is needed of course. Leadership can be overrated in cricket but the easiest way to show leadership is by putting a price on your wicket, and he often doesn't do this.

I don't think he's going to be around much longer, but in the current situation I think he's the best option both as keeper and skipper. It's too soon for Smith and Shane Watson (c) doesn't bare thinking about.

 

[estibador]

The partisan state bullshit some posters go on with is the worst thing about this board.

 

[The_Reaper]

I personally think Smith is ready.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Wade is at the top of the queue?

Only poster here with any clue suggested otherwise.

And is Wade's form really that good?

Average 29 against South Africa.
Had two innings at shield level- did score two 50s but two innings isn't much of a sample.
Average 16.8 from 6 games in the Matadors

But of course he's an ironclad guaranteed selection.

Hilfenhaus has actually been in a test squad more recently than Wade btw

Well both Hilfenhaus and Wade are currently out of the side so I was talking about Shield form.

You can take elements of the matador cup and the odi's as indicators for a keeper. Like their glovework. Which was much improved.

His shield form to start the year has been good, whereas your example to compare, Hilfy hasn't been....

Unless this poster is a current test selector he has no more or less idea than anyone else here AFAIC.

Who cares what his ODD/ODI form is like, we're talking about 4-5 day cricket here. Which means nothing to selectors anyway given he was awful in the Matador cup yet still was selected for the SA ODI series.

 

[The_Reaper]

We'll agree to disagree then.

You think Wade should be in the test team, I don't.

But next time someone suggests Wade don't whinge because plenty of people disagree.

 

[King Elvis]

Over 3000 runs @ 35 and 230 dismissals in 50 odd Tests. What more do you want from him? The team lacks leaders as it is.

Come on Gough, if we judged players on their entire career and not recent history, Punter would still be playing.

He's been on the decline for years, he had a bolt out of the blue Ashes, and then he's resumed his decline.

 

[western royboy]

Short answer Yes

I don't agree with that.

 

[King Elvis]

Pretty hard to fathom we dominate for 85 overs and it's evened up in the space of 30 balls

It's been the story of most of the last five years...

 

[The_Reaper]

Come on Gough, if we judged players on their entire career and not recent history, Punter would still be playing.

He's been on the decline for years, he had a bolt out of the blue Ashes, and then he's resumed his decline.

I made a thread on this during the series against Pakistan.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

We'll agree to disagree then.

Was about to say the same thing.

You think Wade should be in the test team, I don't.

Not quite what I said but anyway

But next time someone suggests Wade don't whinge because plenty of people disagree.

Was just surprised that a match he wasn't playing in still found his lynch mob come out in full force..

I don't agree with that.

Doesn't worry me, It's just an opinion and unless one of us is a current selector, it'll remain as exactly that, an opinion....

 

[western royboy]

There is a reason why Haddin has been selected ahead of Wade in the past

but there are reasons to revisit that today

The reason Haddin replaced Wade were other than form. Given what has happened to Clarke today, that's the same reason he will be playing and most likely Captain in Brisbane. Last I heard, the view was the next six where all in a line and Whiteman was the most likely due to age and scope for improvement in that as a total package he rated near the top on both scales.

 

[Gough]

Come on Gough, if we judged players on their entire career and not recent history, Punter would still be playing.

He's been on the decline for years, he had a bolt out of the blue Ashes, and then he's resumed his decline.

If there was a young bloke knocking down the door I'd be inclined to agree with you, but dropping Haddin for A.N. Other seems to be a bit of a like for like to me and we'd also lose his experience.

 

[The_Reaper]

It's a real pity Whiteman's had a slow start to the season but there is time for him to turn that around. The selectors will probably like seeing how he goes when he's not in great form.

Haddin's appears to have guaranteed selection for a while now anyway.

 

[King Elvis]

If there was a young bloke knocking down the door I'd be inclined to agree with you, but dropping Haddin for A.N. Other seems to be a bit of a like for like to me and we'd also lose his experience.

The replacement might average more than 30 with the bat, and not constantly get out in stupid situations.

 

[The_Reaper]

Smith's well and truly established in the test team by now surely- and is our in form ODI batsman. That's no longer a barrier to him taking on the Captaincy.

I get they don't want to pressure him too early but I'm not convinced he needs protection. A guy like Rogers can help him out if he needs Captaincy advice anyway.

 

[GROTTO]

Good day of cricket, we were in a position to dominate this match but lost the initiative honours about even, but runs on the board is massive. First session will be fascinating, the pitch so far is a batsmens paradise. Lucky for us we didnt have to face India's best bowler in 2014.

 

[AM]

Smith's well and truly established in the test team by now surely- and is our in form ODI batsman. That's no longer a barrier to him taking on the Captaincy.

I get they don't want to pressure him too early but I'm not convinced he needs protection. A guy like Rogers can help him out if he needs Captaincy advice anyway.

Problem is 'Buck' may not be around too much longer to give that help. Just sayin........

 

[The_Reaper]

Problem is 'Buck' may not be around too much longer to give that help. Just sayin........

Not really and obvious candidates to replace him.

Cowan is a known quantity.
Silk not in particularly great form.
Bancroft's in good form but way too early.

Burns I guess but I'd rather he didn't open against England in the Ashes.
Bring him in at number 4.

 

[ROOTA#6]

Not really and obvious candidates to replace him.

Cowan is a known quantity.
Silk not in particularly great form.
Bancroft's in good form but way too early.

Burns I guess but I'd rather he didn't open against England in the Ashes.
Bring him in at number 4.

If someone needs to come in it just has to be the bloke making the most runs at the time...who ever that may be as long as they are suitable to bat in the position I suppose.