Preview Changes: Round 12 v St Kilda

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Exactly right, Marty! Many of us were lamenting this last year, including me and WW. Greenwood has given us a Bont body type, but we need some of the Wines ilk.

In a Wines type do you mean a big bodied inside mid that played 90 games or a Kid who stats are close to Wines but has played less than 50 games, Give it time. Also at 50 games the Crow 0layer stats are better than Wines.


2017 stats and 50 game stats

 

[marty36]

Greenwood is the hardest tackler in the side but keep going

Maybe he was tackling so much as he was chasing players and not getting the pill

 

[DD#23]

Exactly right, Marty! Many of us were lamenting this last year, including me and WW. Greenwood has given us a Bont body type, but we need some of the Wines ilk.

who was the Wines ilk in The Bulldogs premiership side?

you don't need a stocky in and under grunt, you just need a full complement of midfielders who aren't afraid of getting hurt and will crack in every time its their turn. Wines fits that category as well, but his athletic makeup has nothing to do with it, its all upstairs - and that's where our side is lacking.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

we should be playing the rest of the season with a tagger!!, i don't care if its not needed against the lower sides or not. but we need to deploy brown/Kelly on oppositions best mid every week from now on and give them a clear job of what we need from them and KPI... we need to see how this affects our game plan.

"Good teams don't tag". Sorry to bring this up again but you know if we had a top 4 MF we could probably employ this philosophy, the problem is we DON'T and we are far from it. In fact we are probably the perfect example of afl team that needs to tag every week. The players I would choose would be Kelly, Brown and even Cameron if he's having trouble getting into the game (it would be a good learning experience for him as well)
I doubt whether they'll do it but I'd be starting this weekend against the Saints even though we may not need to; it may take time for the player/s to learn the role.......may as well have a dress rehearsal for the better teams.

 

[Ozzie]

Kelly does. How about Kelly as defensive mid and Doedee in Kellys spot?

Kelly should be our tagger,'cooler' whatever the modern term is. He would wear Duckwood like a glove. Doedee like Greenwood was is getting to be long overdue to get a game in the seniors.

 

[Donkey Magoo]

I think that we will get a brand new recruit this week, never before seen.

 

[huludicidal]

Would SSP make the current side before Hampton, CEY, Greenwood, And we do have 1 more big bodied mid up the sleeve in Pohokle. Gallucci was a better option than SSP because we had young inexperienced big bodied Mids sitting in the SANFL waiting.

CEY is almost a certainty to be delisted either this year or next. He never managed to establish himself as a regular in his 5 years on the senior list even prior to doing his ACL. So yes, SPP would have been instantly ahead of him. Weird question.

As for Hampton and Greenwood, who knows what the coaches at our club would think here, but Hampton is out for the season injured so he's irrelevant. I really don't think Hampton even belongs in this conversation tbh as he's certainly not the brute force big bodied inside mid that is being referred to here. Greenwood is looking good so far and will continue to add muscle in the coming year or two. To suggest he and SPP couldn't co-exist in the same side is laughable though.

Poholke is one who looks promising, but needs another 12-18 months of conditioning to play in an AFL midfield role for mine. Not a huge help when we're in a premiership window NOW.

All I know is that SPP is probably going to win the rising star, we have a lack of that sort of player on our list, and Gallucci is, at this stage, a little bloke who can't kick but is good at jumping high. I didn't like the selection on draft day and I like it even less now.

SPP would be a welcome addition into our 22 right now, especially against the big bodied teams like Geelong and Sydney. As for 3 years time, he'll be a ****ing monster.

 

[Ozzie]

Also I'm going to go against the seemingly popular trend of "Oh we must play Wigg". What on earth for? He was less than convincing in the JLT series. Every game I have watched him play tells me he is soft and has terrible disposal. He was drafted for his kicking skills, I have yet to see it.

 

[marty36]

Kelly should be our tagger,'cooler' whatever the modern term is. He would wear Duckwood like a glove. Doedee like Greenwood was is getting to be long overdue to get a game in the seniors.

In most, no I should say all footy teams, you cant play crap and then get promoted

 

[marty36]

CEY is almost a certainty to be delisted either this year or next. He never managed to establish himself as a regular in his 5 years on the senior list even prior to doing his ACL. So yes, SPP would have been instantly ahead of him. Weird question.

As for Hampton and Greenwood, who knows what the coaches at our club would think here, but Hampton is out for the season injured so he's irrelevant. I really don't think Hampton even belongs in this conversation tbh as he's certainly not the brute force big bodied inside mid that is being referred to here. Greenwood is looking good so far and will continue to add muscle in the coming year or two. To suggest he and SPP couldn't co-exist in the same side is laughable though.

Poholke is one who looks promising, but needs another 12-18 months of conditioning to play in an AFL midfield role for mine. Not a huge help when we're in a premiership window NOW.

All I know is that SPP is probably going to win the rising star, we have a lack of that sort of player on our list, and Gallucci is, at this stage, a little bloke who can't kick but is good at jumping high. I didn't like the selection on draft day and I like it even less now.

SPP would be a welcome addition into our 22 right now, especially against the big bodied teams like Geelong and Sydney. As for 3 years time, he'll be a ******* monster.

Poholke does look promising but isnt reay for a gig this year

How long is the window open for ?????

 

[MRB37]

Kelly is one of our fittest players, he's also the most limited offensively, while being in a position of the ground we have 2 players (Cheney and Doedee), who can perform the same role to the same or better standard.

With the loss of Lyons and Thompson we've overloaded with outside mids. The claim was we "lacked run" against the Lions, so Mackay was brought back to rectify that, because he's also capable of doing that across half back seemingly gets him a game every week. Surely Smith, Milera, Cameron and Atkins is enough "run" for a side (Dougie was supposed to be training as a half-back also), especially if you then remove someone like Otten up forward and add Knight in up there.

So I'd look at something like

OUT: Mackay, Otten
IN: Knight, Cheney/Doedee

Kelly's job becomes to set Sloane free, or at worst, slow down the opposition's best mid enough that the Crouches and Dougie can get on top. If Ross goes to Sloane, then have Sloane try and move off him and let Kelly run at him, or just try to take out Jack Steven completely. Cheney/Doedee fill in for Kelly down back and there shouldn't be any major loss at that end of the ground.

 

[offtherails9]

Also I'm going to go against the seemingly popular trend of "Oh we must play Wigg". What on earth for? He was less than convincing in the JLT series. Every game I have watched him play tells me he is soft and has terrible disposal. He was drafted for his kicking skills, I have yet to see it.

Not soft at all

 

[huludicidal]

Poholke does look promising but isnt reay for a gig this year

How long is the window open for ?????

Depends how our recruiters approach the next couple of offseasons. We butchered it last year so colour me sceptical.

 

[marty36]

Kelly is one of our fittest players, he's also the most limited offensively, while being in a position of the ground we have 2 players (Cheney and Doedee), who can perform the same role to the same or better standard.

With the loss of Lyons and Thompson we've overloaded with outside mids. The claim was we "lacked run" against the Lions, so Mackay was brought back to rectify that, because he's also capable of doing that across half back seemingly gets him a game every week. Surely Smith, Milera, Cameron and Atkins is enough "run" for a side (Dougie was supposed to be training as a half-back also), especially if you then remove someone like Otten up forward and add Knight in up there.

So I'd look at something like

OUT: Mackay, Otten
IN: Knight, Cheney/Doedee

Kelly's job becomes to set Sloane free, or at worst, slow down the opposition's best mid enough that the Crouches and Dougie can get on top. If Ross goes to Sloane, then have Sloane try and move off him and let Kelly run at him, or just try to take out Jack Steven completely. Cheney/Doedee fill in for Kelly down back and there shouldn't be any major loss at that end of the ground.

Both Cheney and Doedee played like hacks and neither deserve a spot, you simply dont bring in players without form, coaching 101 will tell you that

Ps this isnt a go at doedee alone Cheney was rubbish also

 

[marty36]

Depends how our recruiters approach the next couple of offseasons. We butchered it last year so colour me sceptical.

This window will close I would give it two years then we need to bottom out and quickly

 

[Ozzie]

Not soft at all

So say you.

 

[GreyCrow]

But maybe Thommo's farewell will be the next game against Geelong ?

If he knocks out Selwood and Dangerfield then , nah cant do it.

Nice to imagine though

 

[MRB37]

Both Cheney and Doedee played like hacks and neither deserve a spot, you simply dont bring in players without form, coaching 101 will tell you that

Ps this isnt a go at doedee alone Cheney was rubbish also

We bring in players without form, so how Cheney or Doedee performed is probably irrelevant since we seemingly pick on structure first and form 2nd.

 

[n4sir]

Maybe he was tackling so much as he was chasing players and not getting the pill

Or maybe unlike some other certain midfielders he actually gives a crap about chasing down an opponent when he does not have the ball?

 

[marty36]

We bring in players without form, so how Cheney or Doedee performed is probably irrelevant since we seemingly pick on structure first and form 2nd.

Two wrongs dont make a right

Structure means nothing if teh player you bring is platying like a C grader

 

[MRB37]

Two wrongs dont make a right

Structure means nothing if teh player you bring is platying like a C grader

Not me you have to argue that point with!

 

[marty36]

Not me you have to argue that point with!

The difference is those two banana's on the weekend if they had played even OK, probably would have got a call up, but they were dreadfull

The only players that would be a chance from Saturdays game would be

ROB, Thommo, Wigg, Beech and Knight

The rest stank

We wont change five the one that should come in first is ROB for Sauce, send a bloody message to the group no one is safe

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Oh god, Five AA pushing for a Thommo recall, it's going to happen isn't it.

 

[marty36]

Oh god, Five AA pushing for a Thommo recall, it's going to happen isn't it.

at least he isnt soft

 

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CEY is almost a certainty to be delisted either this year or next. He never managed to establish himself as a regular in his 5 years on the senior list even prior to doing his ACL. So yes, SPP would have been instantly ahead of him. Weird question.

As for Hampton and Greenwood, who knows what the coaches at our club would think here, but Hampton is out for the season injured so he's irrelevant. I really don't think Hampton even belongs in this conversation tbh as he's certainly not the brute force big bodied inside mid that is being referred to here. Greenwood is looking good so far and will continue to add muscle in the coming year or two. To suggest he and SPP couldn't co-exist in the same side is laughable though.

Poholke is one who looks promising, but needs another 12-18 months of conditioning to play in an AFL midfield role for mine. Not a huge help when we're in a premiership window NOW.

All I know is that SPP is probably going to win the rising star, we have a lack of that sort of player on our list, and Gallucci is, at this stage, a little bloke who can't kick but is good at jumping high. I didn't like the selection on draft day and I like it even less now.

SPP would be a welcome addition into our 22 right now, especially against the big bodied teams like Geelong and Sydney. As for 3 years time, he'll be a ******* monster.

SSP had the luxury of playing for a team that need his type straight away, and had a vacancy in that type of role.
And I will say again would SSP gotten a game before CEY, Hampton, Greenwood this year. No he would still be the SANFL side.
ie first game this year would he have played before Hampton, M Crouch, Sloane, Douglas, Atkins.