Analysis Hawthorn rebuild: are they tanking?

[smish]

Faking? Selwood didn't fake; he drew the head high contact by lowering his knees / body. Nobody is disputing that. Ginnivan doesn't even draw head high contact before he flings his head back

Nice try!!

Quite often I don't know why I bother here

 

[peetoo]

How can you pay ‘legitimate’ frees to Jack when moments before he fakes a free by flinging his head back when the opposition player merely taps him on the shoulder, and then moments after the missed free he does the exact same again. His staging for frees is rampant, and unless he changes his ways he will get zero sympathy from umpires.

Fair enough but look at the footage he’s genuinely being restrained.

Some if the other incidents may fit your description

And hard not to have head move backwards in a coat hanger

 

[peetoo]

Players do it all the time. You feel or sense someone immediately behind you and dive forward as though being driven into the ground. I reckon Ginnivan deserved 2 frees but as I keep saying how can you blame the umpires for missing a legitimate free when Ginnivan fakes head high contact etc so often and did so before and after the legitimate frees yesterday? They may well have written Ginnivan off because of his poor acting.

As for the other free you mention, the free score was +1 Hawks way. There were plenty of frees that Geelong missed out on.

Last comment just highlights the free ride you cats fans are used to

 

[Blue1980]

Charlie had already won a Coleman at the same age. Lewis is only a year younger than him. It’s time to put it all together.

He reminds me a bit of Charlie Dixon. Obviously very talented. Goes through an injury set back most years so you cut him some slack. Next year is the big year for Charlie. Before you know it he is 33 years old and hasn’t done a great deal throughout his career, but once every 6 weeks he’ll have that massive game that reminds you just how talented he is.

Will Mitch ever win an AA like Charlie did?

Mitch is a good player but he ain’t Charlie or Harry.

I don’t think he needs to be in order for the hawks to be good though. Just build more pieces around him.

 

[peetoo]

There were plenty in the first 3 quarters.

Even in one of the ones that was a genuine free everything he was doing was trying to get a free kick from lowering his body to raising his arms to force the tackle higher. It still should've been paid regardless.

But it puts the umpires in an impossible position when he's doing everything to force the tackle high and repeatedly faking high contact. How do you tell the 1 in 10 that's genuine high contact and wasn't instigated by Ginnivan?

Nice how you decide ginnivan decided to stage in the last quarter ‘only’. An alternate reason may be the increasing slippery conditions. But play on, why not shore up a myth

 

[Footy Smarts]

Nice how you decide ginnivan decided to stage in the last quarter ‘only’. An alternate reason may be the increasing slippery conditions. But play on, why not shore up a myth

I think you misread. He was staging the entire day. I've just watched the replay and it was continual and utterly blatant.

Not sure how the commentators expect the umpires to perfectly separate the 2 legitimate frees from the 3-4 where he causes the high contact (ie not supposed to be a free now) and the 6-8 where he just fakes the contact.

 

[peetoo]

I think you misread. He was staging the entire day. I've just watched the replay and it was continual and utterly blatant.

Not sure how the commentators expect the umpires to perfectly separate the 2 legitimate frees from the 3-4 where he causes the high contact (ie not supposed to be a free now) and the 6-8 where he just fakes the contact.

We expect them to do their job. Like everyone else. If they can’t see a professional foul saving an almost certain goal

But what’s new. AFL couldn’t even get the restart time message right yesterday

 

[The 747]

That is clearly not what was happening in the coat hanger tackle. There’s footage there, quick hand pass to Bruest or moor in that footage and an almost certain goal.

Professional foul by the Geelong 9


Also is/was which do you mean. I’ve seen very little of Jack ‘running at the man’ this season

Were you watching yesterday?

 

[TheFourPillars]

Just to put things in perspective. Its on the umpires to rule objectively on each individual contest. That is what they are there for.

AFL reaches out to Hawks, admits Ginnivan frees were missed

The AFL admits the umpires missed some of the free kicks that should have been paid to Jack Ginnivan

www.afl.com.au

It was plain to see for everyone that he should have got the frees

Anyways we move on

 

[Foucault1989]

The question on my mind is "will Hawthorn ever be successful while ignoring the elite of the draft?" I don't think anyone has ever asked that

 

[hawkman]

The question on my mind is "will Hawthorn ever be successful while ignoring the elite of the draft?" I don't think anyone has ever asked that

The problem with all the handouts these other clubs are getting we still haven't be able to get to the elite end of the draft

 

[Kanga Commando]

Just to put things in perspective. Its on the umpires to rule objectively on each individual contest. That is what they are there for.

AFL reaches out to Hawks, admits Ginnivan frees were missed

The AFL admits the umpires missed some of the free kicks that should have been paid to Jack Ginnivan

www.afl.com.au

It was plain to see for everyone that he should have got the frees

Anyways we move on

So the AFL admits they were wrong...

I'm sure the mob will admit likewise when they said he shouldnt have got them...

 

[Red Bull]

The problem with all the handouts these other clubs are getting we still haven't be able to get to the elite end of the draft

You’re getting closer …

 

[SSSSSS]

The problem with all the handouts these other clubs are getting we still haven't be able to get to the elite end of the draft

Sometimes it's down to luck. Some drafts the elite end can stretch out to 7-8 picks. Sometimes it's down to 1 or 2 players.

I think last years draft there was a clear gap between Reid and Walter, and a strong chasing pack between McKercher and Sanders.

 

[peetoo]

The problem with all the handouts these other clubs are getting we still haven't be able to get to the elite end of the draft

West coasts second pick in the draft?

Pick 30. Systems really working

 

[hawkman]

West coasts second pick in the draft?

Pick 30. Systems really working

Finished 15th, 14th, 13th and 16th and we have ended up with picks 6, 7, 7 and 5

 

[Gavin Excell]

Just to put things in perspective. Its on the umpires to rule objectively on each individual contest. That is what they are there for.

AFL reaches out to Hawks, admits Ginnivan frees were missed

The AFL admits the umpires missed some of the free kicks that should have been paid to Jack Ginnivan

www.afl.com.au

It was plain to see for everyone that he should have got the frees

Anyways we move on

Given Mitchell's post match comments focusing on how Ginnevan can improve his approach, does this mean Hawthorn won't seek a please explain from the AFL?
I guess they aren't mutually exclusive

 

[TheFourPillars]

Given Mitchell's post match comments focusing on how Ginnevan can improve his approach, does this mean Hawthorn won't seek a please explain from the AFL?
I guess they aren't mutually exclusive

Sam and the club didn't need to, as the AFL got on the front foot and contacted us about it. We move on.

 

[hawkman]

Sam and the club didn't need to, as the AFL got on the front foot and contacted us about it. We move on.

And he probably now gets a good run against Collingwood this week for the enjoyment of everyone

 

[TheFourPillars]

And he probably now gets a good run against Collingwood this week for the enjoyment of everyone

Yes, it's almost a given unfortunately. They need to find the happy median.

 

[peetoo]

And he probably now gets a good run against Collingwood this week for the enjoyment of everyone

Ah that explains a lot. Are WWE marketers in charge?

 

[Footy Smarts]

The best bit about Ginnivan is this week they'll pay the 1-2 that are there but probably also pay 4-5 that he stages for. And which opponent cops it when he finally starts getting paid frees after 18 months? Collingwood

 

[Xtreme]

The best bit about Ginnivan is this week they'll pay the 1-2 that are there but probably also pay 4-5 that he stages for. And which opponent cops it when he finally starts getting paid frees after 18 months? Collingwood

Footy karma at its best

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Sam and the club didn't need to, as the AFL got on the front foot and contacted us about it. We move on.

No getting on the front foot last year of course. Funny that.

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

Drawing head high tackles and faking head high tackles are two distinct issues. Yes Selwood drew free kicks by drawing the opposition player's arm around his neck. Ginnivan tries to draw free kicks by faking a head high tackle. If you cannot see the distinction then that's on you. The umpires and the AFL can see the distinction.

Leigh Matthews repeatedly said it should be up to the tackler to ensure no contact was made with the head.

You seem so keen on what Leigh said when it was protecting Selwood

Maybe have a listen