They'll atleast be able to have some sort of standing once they win the spoon and get Harley Reid
Analysis Hawthorn rebuild: are they tanking?
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We will pump the hawks, would be 3-3 right now with a clean run of injuries and that’s not just “oh we’re missing Mitch Lewis the saviour”.
Newcombe missed his draft year as an 18 year old because Covid was a thing, and their physical developments are clearly not that far apart, because at the same age they were basically the same size "physically" although Ginbey is taller (191).
Yes, and Newcombe has both, Cripps has class, class isn't just silky class, it can be class in alot of different ways.
Newcombe is very much like Petracca in his body shape and explosiveness/strength.
It's uncanny.
He is very explosive and his ability to pick up the ball or receive the ball and explode away is top notch, all whilst than being able to kick a long raking ball 50 metres inside 50, which through inside 50 efficiency and scores leading from his inside 50s, he was the 2nd best in the competition behind only Josh Kelly in 2022.
And he has shown on many occasions he is able to line up for a long kick which leaves teams open to his low darting short kicks.
Will Day and him will both be A Graders.
Hawthorn have missed Will Day for 2 of our winnable games, where if we had him or Lewis, or even if it went slightly our way we'd of won, we could realistically be 3-3 even without those two being in the side, if you had replayed those last 5 minutes in both the GWS and Adelaide game.
Lewis, Scrimshaw, Day missing games
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West Coast's outs have been big but it's hardly surprising, you haven't had Yeo/Shuey and the likes consistently playing footy for years. It's the same with us and Wingard.
We play you Round 10 at UTAS, and it's very unlikely you'll win. Which will likely set Hawthorn ahead and you will be set back winning the spoon, i also see Hawthorn being too competitive and possibly grabbing wins in other games for them to win the spoon.
Lewis back is huge from a personal and structure POV.
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He did cop a few tags last year. From memory Windhager (who took some good scalps) went to him.
Had enough class to take him forward and kick two goals.
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Ginbey is taller, faster, much bigger frame, better leap, more athletically gifted in every facet.
Newcombe is no where near Truck, delusional mate.
Yep, that Saints game in particular.
Had 21 disposals 11 contested and 2 goals (7 marks and 7 score involvements) whilst being tagged.
His game against Brisbane was elite from a normal POV, 27 disposals, 19 kicks, 14 contested at 70% with 1 goal, 1 goal assist and 12 score involvements, 6 marks (1 contested), 9 clearances (5 centre clearances), 6 tackles and 6 inside 50s.
His bully game against North where he had 31 and 2.
Newcombe has 10kg on Ginbey.
Newcombe is 187cm 92kg.
Petracca is 187cm 94kg.
Ginbey is 191cm and 83kg.
Newcombe is explosive, and it's hard to judge how quick someone is or in comparison to someone else, and leap aswell, because Newcombe is really good above his head, he's really explosive and quick, and this isn't to say Ginbey isn't, because he is, but there's no real way to determine it.
Although "much bigger frame" made me laugh.
Please watch a game from Newcombe, his game against Brisbane as a 19 year old was quite the one to watch last year!
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You can argue the old blokes missing isn’t surprising, but guys like Sheed, Ryan, Cole, Chesser, Hewett, Burgiel, Jamieson is.
We have 26 “fit” players to select from, josh ward for a whole game though
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Newcombe has 2 years on Ginbey, almost like 18 years olds aren’t known for having size immediately.
Ginbey’s draft combine tells me all I need to know in their athletic match up.
Impressive to have that game as a 19 year old last year considering he turned 21 last season I must admit.
Can’t wait til Ginbey buries him in round 10 now.
Yes, it isn't but...You can argue the old blokes missing isn’t surprising, but guys like Sheed, Ryan, Cole, Chesser, Hewett, Burgiel, Jamieson is.
We have 26 “fit” players to select from, josh ward for a whole game though
Ryan is the only player there who is a genuinely big out, he's good forward, Sheed is a solid midfielder, Cole, Chesser have played roles in the past but players who have replaced them can do them too.
Hewett doesn't really do much yet, but talented.
Jamieson/Burgiel wouldn't play anyway.
Yep, and you won't be smashing us or even be favourites to win, no one on your injury list looks like returning, Yeo close with 3-4.
Fact is, Hawthorn are the youngest team in the comp by far, they are rebuilding. West Coast aren't contending and are one of the older and more experienced teams in the comp, your best player is Tim Kelly who is an older player, and rely on him heavily through the midfield.
Your youth isn't close to as good as ours, your older players are consistently injured, and you are stuck in no mans land, whilst competing for a spoon.
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Frame and weight are different things.
Yes, and once he fills out (however long that'll take) he will be because he will be a purely inside player, very much like Cripps.
And fyi, if you didn't know, him going from say 83kg to say 95kg? he'll very likely lose speed.
No doubt he will be an inside bull who is explosive from contests, again like Cripps, but you downplayed Newcombe like you hadn't ever seen a game from him, it's quite alarming.
Ginbey will be a star no doubt, but the outlandish calls are stupid, especially seeing as on a production front both this year and last year from Newcombe are much better (as expected), and using "projection/talent" as a "clear" reason why he "will" be better and why "Newcombe's ceiling isn't high".
Just watch a game from him and actually pay attention with both eyes open, you might have a better view on him then
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WCE for the spoon is pretty much a lock.
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I would've thought so. They need a massive purge of their list.
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Wouldn't surprise if they did finish bottom they trade pick 1 to try and assist that purge. Melbourne would probably come for it with 3 1st round picks. GWS and the Bulldogs maybe as well with their 3
They are not tanking they are genuinely crap Sam Mitchell is not the type that would tank imo he looked disapointed after the Crows loss.
Get Harley Reid and in 2 years will want a trade back to Victoria
So you want the draft to be a lottery? imagine the up roar from clubs if the premiers of that year get the number 1 pick
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Could easily safeguard against your scenario; e.g. only teams with, say, 8 wins or less qualify for the #1 pick lottery - once the #1 is allocated the draft order would just revert to reverse-finishing order as usual.
Could easily safeguard against your scenario; e.g. only teams with, say, 8 wins or less qualify for the #1 pick lottery - once the #1 is allocated the draft order would just revert to reverse-finishing order as usual.
Which may be attributed to more than one factor yes?
And those players were all midfielders, and after getting rid of them we improved dramatically in clearances and contested possession yes?
So perhaps the factors that led us to go backwards might have had nothing to do with getting rid of those players yes?
Adelaide kicked their only winning score below 100 points against us on the weekend (and their second lowest score for the year) yes? So perhaps no is the answer to your question.
Fairly simple if you're simple minded.
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