News Jackson Hately requests trade to Adelaide

[thebirdman 24]

Good news.

We desperately need to 'create' a couple of openings in our midfield to get players like Hately, Jones (if he comes good), Schoenberg etc in there full time.

 

[Footypie32]

Theo D saying GWS want a late 1st/early 2nd for him which would put them gunning for pick 20 or the Crouch compo if that blows out. Given we have the PSD threat and that he's uncontacted they probably have to accept unders for him though

That's perfect. 29 it is. You never ask for what you are expecting.

 

[Golumless]

There's a lot to be said for being fair traders. Trying to ream clubs just because you hold the PSD card is bad form, trade in good faith. It's the same with bidding on NGA/Academy players, bid where they are consensus rated is what all clubs expect and do.

Pick 29 is about right IMO.

I think it depends on the club. For instance you don't ream a team like GWS because there is a lot of talent there which is struggling to get a game and we want to return to this well in the near future. A team like Geelong, Port, Essendon and the Dogs? Go your hardest with screwing them over.

 

[Golumless]

Serious question, this is (unless I'm mistaken) the first time we've ever had the #1 pick in the PSD, so what is it's value if we're not using it on uncontracted players in place of a pick in the second round that we could use on someone who could play 150+ games for us?

I get the 'dog act' argument, don't need it re-explained, but if you literally get the first pick of all the players who aren't contracted to an AFL club, is there a better option out there we would rather hold onto it for? Are we keeping it in our back pocket for a rainy day?

Also PSD or no PSD, I don't think GWS are going to be happy with pick 29 for someone who went as early as he did 2 years ago. Tipping a lot more people on this board will be open to the PSD option in 3-4 weeks.

I think it's worth noting that GWS have salary cap issues and a lot of depth. As said, previously they haven't cared about getting a mid 2nd back for this type of player.

 

[hey shorty]

Good news, now let's get it done for a minimum of fuss.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Theo D saying GWS want a late 1st/early 2nd for him which would put them gunning for pick 20 or the Crouch compo if that blows out. Given we have the PSD threat and that he's uncontacted they probably have to accept unders for him though

He followed that post 5 min later qualifying that the PSD option was available ......doubt he thought too much about it, such would have been the rush to get the tweet out

#29 will be the pick ......or the Atkins compo pick

 

[Danger_zone]

Pretty sure we won't trade out pick 20 (proven to be highly sought after during last couple of draft nights).

Not sure if GWS would be happy with Pick 29 (650), but if we were being nice about it, we could throw in pick 50 (273pts) which is potentially unused pick for us given RAT/BRouch compo. This works out to be pick 20 in pts (~920).

 

[CutAboveTheRest]

Bloody stoked to have this lad nominate us.. Should've been in crows colours in his draft year.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Each club looks at each trade on a transaction by transaction basis

Given the regular turn-over of club officials, being nice in a Hately trade now does not necessarily mean we get a return in good-will for future GWS trades

Pick 29 or PSD

I would keep pick 20 and 21 if we get for Atkins for our own draft investment

The club has been very clear about investing in the draft

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[Mr_Moogle]

Didn't realise he was only 19. Thought he was a 24 year old fringe type.

 

[Thetrader15]

Hatley's manager about to be on SEN...waiting for Derwayne to say we should give up pick 8...

 

[BunjiMac]

Hatley fills one need, that being that big bodied clearance player.

I've always thought that we need more variety in or midfield and this is a good first step.

Hatley doesn't plug the pace and class gap that is still missing from our midfield rotation. Guys that can burst away at speed and nail passes by foot. Hopefully this is Hollands.

Where is this Parfitt stuff coming from? Geelong would be crazy to get rid of him.

 

[Thetrader15]

Hatley's manager about to be on SEN...waiting for Derwayne to say we should give up pick 8...

...and there it is, is pick 14 par for what they should get
Lol

 

[Golumless]

Let's not fantasise about players being better than they are, the reality is that Hately still has a long way to go before he'll be first 22 in any side.

I've watchied him at GWS and he's struggled for two years to make any sort of real impact.

Yes he's only 19, but there's absolutely no guarantee at all that he's going to amount to being anything more than being a fringe player.

Nah Hately walks into our best 22. Have you seen how garbage our inside core is and that's before we lose Brad?

Not only that, but out of rising star eligible players, in per game stats Hately is 9th in kicks, 2nd in marks, 1st in uncontested possessions, 4th in effective disposals, 8th in disposals, 5th in effective disposals (also 7th in turnovers for an ironic top 10) and 7th in meters gained... and Hately has done that playing out of position seeing he has only had limited inside minutes. Hatley (like Caldwell and O'Halloran) walks into the majority of sides without any issues, unfortunately for all three of them, someone had to be drafted to the under-performing monster that is GWS.

 

[1990crow]

...and there it is, is pick 14 par for what they should get
Lol

He's such a knob

 

[LoBu]

There's a lot to be said for being fair traders. Trying to ream clubs just because you hold the PSD card is bad form, trade in good faith. It's the same with bidding on NGA/Academy players, bid where they are consensus rated is what all clubs expect and do.

Pick 29 is about right IMO.

I agree with the first part in fair traders and Adelaide has a good relationship with GWS because of this, but if a club wants an opposition's NGA/ Academy player then you have to bid higher than his 'consensus' value, otherwise the destination club will match. Simply, if you want a NGA you have to pay overs, especially given the 20% discount.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Let's not fantasise about players being better than they are, the reality is that Hately still has a long way to go before he'll be first 22 in any side.

I've watchied him at GWS and he's struggled for two years to make any sort of real impact.

Yes he's only 19, but there's absolutely no guarantee at all that he's going to amount to being anything more than being a fringe player.

Agreed .....has a long way to go, that said I'd have more confidence in our development program

People need to remember there are reasons other players, drafted after Hately, were preferred this year

Hately's game possessions this year was built around his marking ......his possessions were Mackay like, and he has to learn to accumulate more possessions
That said, I would put Hately in a similar basket to Jones in his 2nd season

Interesting that Hately in his 6 games attended no CBA's and averaged in the low 70% TOG

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think 29 is totally unders for his value, but overs considering GWS's leverage. So when its all said and done we come out of top value-wise, but they get a 2nd out of it, which is a bonanza compared to the alternative.

Which to me evens out the trade. And this is a case of the 'evens' that i'm quite happy to strive for!

No-way is #29 unders ......think some maybe over valuing him and his output over the last two seasons

His original draft position is now completely irrelevant

There will be much higher rated players being traded for higher Draft picks than Hately at #29

 

[BunjiMac]

I think this fair trader business is complete cr@p. There is a winner and a loser in every single trade, even if it is by a small margin. At the very least we need to be a winner in the hatley trade, but given the psd, we should easily be the winner.

We are being fair by not making him go to the PSD and GWS receiving nothing. That's the measure that should be used, not where he was drafted.

 

[Bob Neil]

A situation like this will be an interesting window into our philosophy when it comes to making a deal. We could be absolute arseholes and make only a token offer (3rd round or worse) and push him through the PSD but that affects our trading relationship with GWS and our trading reputation across the industry and most likely has a negative long-term effect. Alternatively we could be nice guys and pay a reasonable approximation of what he's worth now (say pick 20) but that also runs the risk of signalling to the industry that we're an easy touch and we'll have clubs holding out on us in future dealings.

I think the *right* (and a morally defensible) approach is to aim to breakeven on our dealings for uncontracted players (both in and out) over the medium term (say 3 yrs).

So what we 'lost' when Greenwood and Keath went out and we got unders we can reasonably hope/expect to recoup as Hateley comes in as an uncontracted player now. What that means in practical terms is still obviously guesswork/in the eye of the beholder but I think we can look GWS in the eye and retain our integrity offering a pick in the low to mid 30s and say it's reasonable in the circumstances and we're not winning the deal but merely recapturing lost value from previous trades and that this is how the industry works.

 

[Mutineer]

Hatley fills one need, that being that big bodied clearance player.

I've always thought that we need more variety in or midfield and this is a good first step.

Hatley doesn't plug the pace and class gap that is still missing from our midfield rotation. Guys that can burst away at speed and nail passes by foot. Hopefully this is Hollands.

Where is this Parfitt stuff coming from? Geelong would be crazy to get rid of him.

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[Drummond]

I like him. Hard as nails, contested beast, strong overhead mark. I have concerns over his kicking though, both depth and penetration. But he’s got enough qualities to at least be a solid AFL player.

 

[SaltPeter]

Where is this Parfitt stuff coming from? Geelong would be crazy to get rid of him.

Apparently Parfitt has a 2 year contract in front of him now from Geelong, however hasn't signed yet. Someone posted here a few a days ago that Adelaide were chasing him and had possibly proposed a 4 years deal. Then extrapolated from that, that it could be help increase an offer that Geelong make to Crouch.

I haven't really seen it anywhere else. Make of it what you like I guess

 

[Ramses Red]

So nice to hold the leverage of pick one

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I think it depends on the club. For instance you don't ream a team like GWS because there is a lot of talent there which is struggling to get a game and we want to return to this well in the near future. A team like Geelong, Port, Essendon and the Dogs? Go your hardest with screwing them over.

Don't forget Carlton just because we don't like them.