Preview R3: Changes v Richmond

[1970crow]

Tigers have reiwoldt, Vickers & Griffiths - so dropping hartigan would be a stupid move!

Mackay stays in if he produces games like yesterday. We can afford to wait to drop players when they deserve it & make players in the Sanfl really earn selection. Competition for spots is very healthy.

With those 3 playing, Harto remains, but I have this feeling that he's going to always be on the edge given that we went smaller against the Roos.

Hopefully we find ourselves in the position to be able to drop players who have had a good game. That's a sign of a good side. Over the last 5 years Mackay is a proven average performer, that's how he needs to be judged if there's better players returning from gaining match fitness in the 2's. That game shouldn't stand in isolation when making selection decisions. The idea that a big win = "all played well, no unforced changes" is the foundation of the culture of mediocrity. We should always be seeking to improve and get high performing players into the side. Mackay had a very good game yesterday, but he is not a high performing player, which he's proven to us over many years.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Ins - hendo or knight depending on today and match ups
Out - Cheney

Hartigan will not miss again - developing very nicely thank you

What is cheneys role ? Is he a stopper ? Not really ... Is he a intercept player - maybe ... Is he a rebounding defender that breaks lines ? No

I'm happy to see hendo but only when he's ready

If not then we can rotate Seedsman, some mids ( Sloane and Brad) , Milera and McGovern through as our 7th defender

 

[Vader]

I'll start this by saying that the most likely outcome is an unchanged team for next week. Nobody played badly and deserves to be dropped, but that doesn't mean that changes won't happen.

The first question is whether they will choose to persist with 3x tall defenders (Talia, Lever, Hartigan)? Richmond have 3 tall forwards, in Reiwoldt, Griffiths & Vickery. A few questions that the selectors might consider... How often do Richmond have all 3 talls at home in their forward line? I couldn't care less if they go kick chasing up to the wings - they can't score from there, unless they get a 50m penalty. Similarly, we only need to cover 2 of them, if the 3rd is resting on the interchange bench. It's only when they're all within scoring distance that we need to cover all 3 of them. How tall do we need to go? Griffith & Vickery are both 200cm, but Reiwoldt is only 195cm. Would Cheney be able to take Reiwoldt if required? My thinking is that Talia will take the best tall forward they have in their F50 area, letting Lever take Reiwoldt if he goes walkabout. I think we'll stick with the same structure that they used against Port, but it's by no means a fait accompli.

Our least effective players yesterday were Tex and Seedsman, both having their second consecutive week in this category. I'm not saying that either were bad, just that they were our least effective players in a team that performed very, very well. Tex is clearly carrying a foot injury and it's very hard to see them dropping the Captain, given that he's still doing enough (just). Seedsman could find himself under the pump, if Knight or Cameron have an absolute blinder in the SANFL today. He just doesn't get enough of the pill, frequently goes AWOL for lengthy periods of time, and when he does get it he doesn't use his primary weapon (outstanding kicking skills) often enough. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Seedsman <--> Knight, but I wouldn't bet on it happening this week.

Of the others, McGovern would be the only other player who might even get mentioned at the selection table. He did more than enough to keep me happy yesterday, noting that it was just his 2nd AFL game. That said, I'm not sure that a structure with 4 tall (or mid-tall) sized forwards is sustainable (JJ, Tex, Lynch, McGovern). It's working for now though, and I don't see any reason to change it for the Richmond game.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I'll start this by saying that the most likely outcome is an unchanged team for next week. Nobody played badly and deserves to be dropped, but that doesn't mean that changes won't happen.

The first question is whether they will choose to persist with 3x tall defenders (Talia, Lever, Hartigan)? Richmond have 3 tall forwards, in Reiwoldt, Griffiths & Vickery. A few questions that the selectors might consider... How often do Richmond have all 3 talls at home in their forward line? I couldn't care less if they go kick chasing up to the wings - they can't score from there, unless they get a 50m penalty. Similarly, we only need to cover 2 of them, if the 3rd is resting on the interchange bench. It's only when they're all within scoring distance that we need to cover all 3 of them. How tall do we need to go? Griffith & Vickery are both 200cm, but Reiwoldt is only 195cm. Would Cheney be able to take Reiwoldt if required? My thinking is that Talia will take the best tall forward they have in their F50 area, letting Lever take Reiwoldt if he goes walkabout. I think we'll stick with the same structure that they used against Port, but it's by no means a fait accompli.

Our least effective players yesterday were Tex and Seedsman, both having their second consecutive week in this category. I'm not saying that either were bad, just that they were our least effective players in a team that performed very, very well. Tex is clearly carrying a foot injury and it's very hard to see them dropping the Captain, given that he's still doing enough (just). Seedsman could find himself under the pump, if Knight or Cameron have an absolute blinder in the SANFL today. He just doesn't get enough of the pill, frequently goes AWOL for lengthy periods of time, and when he does get it he doesn't use his primary weapon (outstanding kicking skills) often enough. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Seedsman <--> Knight, but I wouldn't bet on it happening this week.

Of the others, McGovern would be the only other player who might even get mentioned at the selection table. He did more than enough to keep me happy yesterday, noting that it was just his 2nd AFL game. That said, I'm not sure that a structure with 4 tall (or mid-tall) sized forwards is sustainable (JJ, Tex, Lynch, McGovern). It's working for now though, and I don't see any reason to change it for the Richmond game.

IMO both Lever and Cheney give us great match up flexibility

With Talia and Hartigan taking the two KPF both Lever and Cheney have the flexibility to match up on different types

 

[Stiffy_18]

Why are people so hell bent on dropping Cheney?!

He is the only match up we have for Dustin Martin when he goes forward. Cheney provides us with something that we don't really have, a medium sized negating defender who kills a lot of contests as a 3rd man up! He might not be a "sexy" player but he is pretty ****ing effective in the role he plays for the team.

 

[Golumless]

You suggesting he hasn't had a chance previously to string some together?

He has, and i accept he has failed previously. That said he responded big time and has earned the spot for next week.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Why are people so hell bent on dropping Cheney?!

He is the only match up we have for Dustin Martin when he goes forward. Cheney provides us with something that we don't really have, a medium sized negating defender who kills a lot of contests as a 3rd man up! He might not be a "sexy" player but he is pretty ******* effective in the role he plays for the team.

IMO Fetta is clearly in Pyke's best 22 plans

 

[Tex200]

Why are people so hell bent on dropping Cheney?!

He is the only match up we have for Dustin Martin when he goes forward. Cheney provides us with something that we don't really have, a medium sized negating defender who kills a lot of contests as a 3rd man up! He might not be a "sexy" player but he is pretty ******* effective in the role he plays for the team.

It's really nothing more than Cheney being third in line behind VB and Dmac.

The main difference is that most of what is posted about Cheney is simply false with no basis in fact whatsoever

 

[Groupie_]

The battle of the faded BLK jumpers

 

[Scorpus]

I'll start this by saying that the most likely outcome is an unchanged team for next week. Nobody played badly and deserves to be dropped, but that doesn't mean that changes won't happen.

The first question is whether they will choose to persist with 3x tall defenders (Talia, Lever, Hartigan)? Richmond have 3 tall forwards, in Reiwoldt, Griffiths & Vickery. A few questions that the selectors might consider... How often do Richmond have all 3 talls at home in their forward line? I couldn't care less if they go kick chasing up to the wings - they can't score from there, unless they get a 50m penalty. Similarly, we only need to cover 2 of them, if the 3rd is resting on the interchange bench. It's only when they're all within scoring distance that we need to cover all 3 of them. How tall do we need to go? Griffith & Vickery are both 200cm, but Reiwoldt is only 195cm. Would Cheney be able to take Reiwoldt if required? My thinking is that Talia will take the best tall forward they have in their F50 area, letting Lever take Reiwoldt if he goes walkabout. I think we'll stick with the same structure that they used against Port, but it's by no means a fait accompli.

Our least effective players yesterday were Tex and Seedsman, both having their second consecutive week in this category. I'm not saying that either were bad, just that they were our least effective players in a team that performed very, very well. Tex is clearly carrying a foot injury and it's very hard to see them dropping the Captain, given that he's still doing enough (just). Seedsman could find himself under the pump, if Knight or Cameron have an absolute blinder in the SANFL today. He just doesn't get enough of the pill, frequently goes AWOL for lengthy periods of time, and when he does get it he doesn't use his primary weapon (outstanding kicking skills) often enough. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Seedsman <--> Knight, but I wouldn't bet on it happening this week.

Of the others, McGovern would be the only other player who might even get mentioned at the selection table. He did more than enough to keep me happy yesterday, noting that it was just his 2nd AFL game. That said, I'm not sure that a structure with 4 tall (or mid-tall) sized forwards is sustainable (JJ, Tex, Lynch, McGovern). It's working for now though, and I don't see any reason to change it for the Richmond game.

I don't agree that Walker and Seedsman were our least effective players. I'd say they were Douglas and Atkins.

 

[OldCrowBloke]

Of the others, McGovern would be the only other player who might even get mentioned at the selection table. He did more than enough to keep me happy yesterday, noting that it was just his 2nd AFL game. That said, I'm not sure that a structure with 4 tall (or mid-tall) sized forwards is sustainable (JJ, Tex, Lynch, McGovern). It's working for now though, and I don't see any reason to change it for the Richmond game.

The reason that this might work in our favour is that Lynch, JJ and McGovern don't play like the traditional "bigs". They either have a huge tank, surprising speed or very mobile. Makes for difficult match ups.

 

[1970crow]

He has, and i accept he has failed previously. That said he responded big time and has earned the spot for next week.

Certainly doesn't deserve to be dropped on that game, no argument there. If he'd played like that more often then he wouldn't be close to even having his name mentioned. But he has a significant history of delivering little which affects his overall rating. I think he will probably hold Knight out but I wouldn't be surprised either way. Unlike most, I seek the day when a player has a good game but still must be replaced by another who we expect will provide more over the journey.

 

[Vader]

I don't agree that Walker and Seedsman were our least effective players. I'd say they were Douglas and Atkins.

That's a matter of opinion. To all intents and purposes, other than a brief period when he kicked those 2 goals, Tex was AWOL for the entire game. I really don't understand how you could rate any Adelaide player as less effective than him.

Seed vs Rat vs Pizza Boy is a much more reasonable debate. Rat & Pizza Boy have both been fairly heavily criticised since the game. Seedsman seems to have escaped scrutiny - I'm not sure why.

The reason that this might work in our favour is that Lynch, JJ and McGovern don't play like the traditional "bigs". They either have a huge tank, surprising speed or very mobile. Makes for difficult match ups.

Agree that they're nightmares for other clubs to match up.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The battle of the faded BLK jumpers

"Don't adjust your sets..."

 

[1970crow]

That's a matter of opinion. To all intents and purposes, other than a brief period when he kicked those 2 goals, Tex was AWOL for the entire game. I really don't understand how you could rate any Adelaide player as less effective than him.

Seed vs Rat vs Pizza Boy is a much more reasonable debate. Rat & Pizza Boy have both been fairly heavily criticised since the game. Seedsman seems to have escaped scrutiny - I'm not sure why.

Agree that they're nightmares for other clubs to match up.

I thought Seed was ok. Rat definitely a bit quiet in terms of getting his hands on the ball, but at 10 games in and having 13 at 100% while mostly kicking is very promising. But if Knight, CC and Menzel are going to come in someone will have to make way.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

IMO Fetta is clearly in Pyke's best 22 plans

AS he was in Walsh's plans ......just not in Scott Camporeale's plans

Who has the better credentials to make a call on Cheney?

 

[lincsPJ]

I'd be waiting on the SANFL game before commenting, all of Knight, Cameron, Menzel, Henderson and Shaw worthy of consideration depending on form.

McGovern is keeping CCs seat warm, and very warm. Still keeps his spot for mine for next week regardless of CC today.
Mackay and Atkins will likely keep knight out again, but certainly could come in soon.
Menzel? He seemed a long way off in preseason. Looking forward to see how he goes today and how much TOG he has.
Shaw and hendo are depth. Too tall and too soft to play VB/Cheney role. Not gonna drop any other defender.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I thought Seed was ok. Rat definitely a bit quiet in terms of getting his hands on the ball, but at 10 games in and having 13 at 100% while mostly kicking is very promising. But if Knight, CC and Menzel are going to come in someone will have to make way.

Both Seedman and the Rat give you real value for touches and I thought the Rat had some effective touches in the 2nd half

No need to rush Charlie, Knight or Menzel at this stage

 

[1990crow]

Dont see the value in Seedsman or Atkins? The increase in overall team DE should be where you start to look. Amazing what happens when you keep the ball in your teams hands.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

What was our overall kicking efficiency yesterday? And compared to last week?

Some of the better field kicking I can remember from us. Mind you Port let our forwards run free and provided little pressure on the ball-carrier so perhaps a little hard to judge.

 

[1990crow]

What was our overall kicking efficiency yesterday? And compared to last week?

Some of the better field kicking I can remember from us. Mind you Port let our forwards run free and provided little pressure on the ball-carrier so perhaps a little hard to judge.

The kicking between the 50m arcs is where we have improved. If you dont turn it over or go to a contest as much in there, the smaller chance of a rebound goal for the opposition.

 

[Wouldbetackler]

I don't agree that Walker and Seedsman were our least effective players. I'd say they were Douglas and Atkins.

Seed had a ripper 2nd or 3rd quarter

 

[Prahran 2 Sturt]

Don't drop McGovern!! Reckon he's a chance for taking mark of the year. Can u bet on that?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

That's a matter of opinion. To all intents and purposes, other than a brief period when he kicked those 2 goals, Tex was AWOL for the entire game. I really don't understand how you could rate any Adelaide player as less effective than him.

Seed vs Rat vs Pizza Boy is a much more reasonable debate. Rat & Pizza Boy have both been fairly heavily criticised since the game. Seedsman seems to have escaped scrutiny - I'm not sure why.

Agree that they're nightmares for other clubs to match up.

Seedsman has escaped criticism because he does his job as an outside player and one of his possessions = 2 of most other people's

We are winning the outside battle so why mess with the outside personnel

He defends the outside , keeps his width and doesn't get sucked into the play

Look at score involvements , metres gained and dare I say it pressure points including tackles ( which he had 5)

He's ticked every box that determines a good game in my book and the most important thing is the end result of our outside game as a collective which is our biggest improvement so far this year

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Seedsman has escaped criticism because he does his job as an outside player and one of his possessions = 2 of most other people's

We are winning the outside battle so why mess with the outside personnel

He defends the outside , keeps his width and doesn't get sucked into the play

Look at score involvements , metres gained and dare I say it pressure points including tackles ( which he had 5)

He's ticked every box that determines a good game in my book and the most important thing is the end result of our outside game as a collective which is our biggest improvement so far this year

There are some things you can only tell when at the game.

Positioning/structures/setups.
Gut running from 1 end to another, even when not being used.