Autopsy Roast, Toast & Changes for Round 5 Vs. West Coast

[Muddiemoose]

Can never really blame injuries, however if you take your two main forwards out of any side, they would struggle.

& that definitely stood out today
Felt Lefau is improving but in a perfect world he is still improving in the vfl and Koz isn’t the type of forward we need

 

[DustinsGuns]

If we go that way we may as well not play Dusty either since let’s face it
He’s probably not around for our next flag or even next year maybe

Just got to pick our best 22 every week, the kids will push them out but no point doing it prematurely otherwise we turn into west coast or north and destroy whatever we have left of our winning culture

It's what geelong have been doing for 20 years

 

[Triggering Tiger]

Will get a crack at it at some stage.
I think I’d prefer Cumberland to kozi at this stage and that’s saying something.

I think i'd take a bag of twisties over Kozi right now at the moment.

 

[tugga]

Are people still melting over drafting Tom Brown over Van Rooyen

I haven’t seen one person melt over this in this thread at all.

 

[Neen]

Effort and intent was there, but the polish was not. This is exactly what to expect with a young side filling holes for seasoned senior players. Even with Lynch and Balta, we easily put this game to bed at 3/4 time. Getting games into Lefau, Sonsie, Young, Brown, Campbell, Mcauliffe etc is going to give us results like today. We just have had the worst luck with injuries, and we could easily have 2 more wins... We are not going to play finals as we are dropping too many games, but as the season progresses, we will have our future stars have more experience and games like this one won't happen regularly.

Like the Port game, St Kilda are very meh and won't be winning a premiership in the near future, and we might even be closer as we embrace the change.

We need to address the mounting injuries - no other club is having any similar issues.
I usually have a dig at the umpires, but they were FAR better than the last 7 years attending to OUR matches. We lost this game.

In - Baker, Naismith
Out - Dow (Inj), Kosi

 

[captain blood 17]

Tough one to write about. We let it slip today, but then, our 2 key forwards have played stuff all and it really showed in the second half. Bit us on the lemon and sarse.
But dunno what more Yze couls of done. 14 out. Dow rolls an ankle, then McAuliffe comes on, looks the goods, rolls his ankle as well.
The kids are looking fantastic. Brown, Miller, Young, MRJ, Dow etc etc. All showing signs.
But, i do feel a bit flat on this one. Nank, Bolton and Dusty were immense.

 

[GoTigers2015]

I haven’t seen one person melt over this in this thread at all.

Before the kid had played, many were questioning the decision

 

[tugga]

So from that draft crop of 5 inside 30, I’m prepared to say brown will make it.
Gibcus will, depending on injuries.
Bank, Clarke and Sonsie all have good attributes but don’t show them often enough.

 

[Growapair]

kozi is so bad up forward we would be better off playing Ryan as first ruck and playing nank as full forward.

I said it in the preview thread ... Kosi doesn't take contested marks ... if you bring him in you needed to bring in Ryan or Naismith

Naismith instead of Graham and we win that

 

[Muddiemoose]

Nank was awesome today but Jeeze I would’ve loved to see Naismith in too so at least 1 of them could be deep forward and bring the ball to ground ffs..

Kosi and Lefau was asked too much… Wilke is elite too

Yeah Nank battled today and left it all on the green stuff

But he really needs some support
Crayfish or Ryan need to play next week

 

[tiger_tough]

Kosi wasn't great but he's a lead up forward who had no space to lead in to on that shit heap. Then we bombed it on his head. Had some good moments.

I'd be dropping LeFau before him and bring in Crayfish to play ruck and shift Nank forward, otherwise McGovern will dominate.

 

[tugga]

Before the kid had played, many were questioning the decision

Inside info I have is that the club was even worried in the first year.
Not now. They love him.

 

[bd3_]

Out: sonsie
In: Cumberland

 

[_RT_]

Really enjoyed watching the game today. Not really concerned with the result as I didn't expect us to get the win over the Saints. What I did enjoy though was the continued good signs from the kids. Brown looked even better again as he settles into his role. Campbell continued his fine form and while he had a couple of errors good things happen more often than not, Maurice laid some crucial tackles that resulted in goals when we shouldn't have got them. Dow made a good start to the game before rolling his ankle when stepping on the footy, what was pleasing was that he got it re-strapped and returned to the game and still had some important touches before eventually being subbed out. Mansell didn't quite have the game that he had last week, but he showed some real strength over the footy and won contested footy that kept us in possession. McAuliffe in his limited appearance showed that he won't be overawed at the level with 4 disposals and 3 tackles, looking forward to seeing him getting more opportunities in the coming weeks.

Of the experienced guys, how good was it to see a fully fit Martin rolling around doing as he pleased, while Bolton played the type of game that we used to see Martin play at his peak. Nankervis was very strong again in the contest against Marshall and probably just won their battle overall. Taranto seems to have found his groove again and worked well in the middle alongside Ross who seems to be flourishing back in the middle of the ground like he did very early on in his career.

As for next week Baker will be welcomed back, but it will be a bit of a nervous wait for Vlastuin after his dangerous tackle against Butler in the 3rd quarter, it should only be a fine, but you just never know with the MRO. Dow may make way depending on how his ankle is after rolling it and with the bye the following week, giving him a couple of weeks to get it right may not be a bad thing. You'd have to wonder how much credits McIntosh has left before he gets the tap, while the Pickett roller coaster ride continues to frustrate as he goes from doing something good to doing something head scratching. I can also see a lot of discussion happening around the make up of the forward line. Koschitzke while not playing a great game certainly did what was asked of him in terms of competing inside F50 and giving Nankervis a break in the ruck. Would we be better off giving Ryan or Naismith a run alongside Koschitzke up forward and allowing them to be the back up to Nankervis while leaving Koschitzke forward permanently as it was quite obvious that we lost structure up forward when Koschitzke was up the ground and Lefau was left as the lone marking target.

FWIW I'd go with:

Out: Lefau Dow McIntosh
In: Ryan Baker Ralphsmith

B: Miller Young Broad
HB: Brown Vlastuin D.Rioli
C: Campbell Taranto Pickett
HF: Sonsie Mansell M.Rioli
F: Bolton Koschitzke Martin
R: Nankervis Ross Baker
INT: Short Graham McAuliffe Ryan Ralphsmith

 

[captain blood 17]

Effort and intent was there, but the polish was not. This is exactly what to expect with a young side filling holes for seasoned senior players. Even with Lynch and Balta, we easily put this game to bed at 3/4 time. Getting games into Lefau, Sonsie, Young, Brown, Campbell, Mcauliffe etc is going to give us results like today. We just have had the worst luck with injuries, and we could easily have 2 more wins... We are not going to play finals as we are dropping too many games, but as the season progresses, we will have our future stars have more experience and games like this one won't happen regularly.

Like the Port game, St Kilda are very meh and won't be winning a premiership in the near future, and we might even be closer as we embrace the change.

We need to address the mounting injuries - no other club is having any similar issues.
I usually have a dig at the umpires, but they were FAR better than the last 7 years attending to OUR matches. We lost this game.

In - Baker, Naismith
Out - Dow (Inj), Kosi

So in the case of today, what would you do to stop Dow stepping on a footy in play rolling his ankle and McAuliffe rolling his in a contested passage of play. How would you address that and fix the issue?

 

[prodigy]

When are McIntosh and Pickett going to be held accountable for their poor performances?

I hate having to go into bat for Sonsie as I'm clearly biased but if no one gets fingers to his kicks, he finishes with three goals and likely a match winner.
But he doesn't and everyone piles on. Think that was his 12th game and yet the expectations are crazy on a kid being played out of position.

Yet Pickett was horrendous all day and barely gets a quarter of the criticism.

 

[Truetiger]

Tough one to write about. We let it slip today, but then, our 2 key forwards have played stuff all and it really showed in the second half. Bit us on the lemon and sarse.
But dunno what more Yze couls of done. 14 out. Dow rolls an ankle, then McAuliffe comes on, looks the goods, rolls his ankle as well.
The kids are looking fantastic. Brown, Miller, Young, MRJ, Dow etc etc. All showing signs.
But, i do feel a bit flat on this one. Nank, Bolton and Dusty were immense.

Realistically who here believed we would have played finals this year? Develop the kids and will make this year entertaining to watch the future.

 

[Triggering Tiger]

I haven’t seen one person melt over this in this thread at all.

Brown is a gun, he has elite skills and will be our backline leader in the future.

 

[captain blood 17]

When are McIntosh and Pickett going to be held accountable for their poor performances?

I hate having to go into bat for Sonsie as I'm clearly biased but if no one gets fingers to his kicks, he finishes with three goals and likely a match winner.
But he doesn't and everyone piles on. Think that was his 12th game and yet the expectations are crazy on a kid being played out of position.

Yet Pickett was horrendous all day and barely gets a quarter of the criticism.

With 14 out, you can’t remove all your experience out of the team.

 

[Freddy Swift]

We played so well early, what the hell went wrong?

No wonder Kosi was cheap, absolute spud.

Pickett and Kmac shouldn’t play again. Keep the kids in.

Dusty did some nice things but I wonder if his heart’s in it any more. I could be wrong.

 

[GoTigers2015]

Assuming Dow, McAuliff are fit to play
Out Kosi, Sonsie
In Naismith, Baker

 

[Muddiemoose]

Inside info I have is that the club was even worried in the first year.
Not now. They love him.

I’ll go out and limb and say he’s the best field kick I’ve ever seen

Genuinely great kicks might pull one off 1 a game if they are lucky

Brown is doing it multiple times a week

 

[Matthew45]

Also you know what's most sad of all is the realisation that Dusty was a one-off premiership streak hero. I thought he was a one man hero who carried a team, but he isn't. If he hasn't got the pack that gets it to him, he's nowhere to be seen.

 

[TigerTime17]

I'm impressed by Miller. Honestly, he's proved himself this year. Glad he stayed

I had him in my best tonight. Played well. All our young ones played well and had we had Balta, Lynch or Baker in, I reckon we win this game. A lot to like in Brown, Sonsie, McCauliff, Ross, Lefau, Young, Campbell, Rioli Jnr. They did a great job. Some of our senior players need a stint in the VFL - if only we had fit players to replace them.

 

[Truetiger]

Brown is a gun, he has elite skills and will be our backline leader in the future.

Possible Captain as well, not just the backline.