List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[TBM]

Most clubs do though. If Gawn goes down for Melbourne (he never does though), they are playing Tom Campbell. I think the biggest mistake has not been upgrading Strachan.

I get that, and agree the biggest current issue is not upgrading Strachan.

Melbourne do have Tom Fullarton and Will Verrall developing on their list though. We don't have any pure rucks under 28 (T.Murray as more of a FWD who can chop-out).

Whether they are 19 or 22, I'm not as fazed - but we should be making room for one more IMO.

 

[George Kramer]

If ROB goes down, he'll go on the LTI list and we'll grab someone in the midseason draft.

If it happens later in the list, we'd probably run with Toby Murray and Thilthorpe, and have a more mobile setup.

I find it hard to get stressed about rucks, considering how little influence they seem to have on whether your club is a success or not.

I would have rather we had someone maybe three or four years younger than Rob as his backup, but I'm not in love with drafting rucks. It takes six years til they start contributing, you might as well go buy one.

You mean like grabbing Moyle in the midseason draft over Parnell?

So why haven’t we bought one when ours suck and the coaches agree? I thought it was so easy….oh that’s right Moyle knocked us back.

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

Hmm we’ve dropped ROB 2 years running, forget about injuries.

And given he’s our main ruck, we carry him for games when in bad form, we aren’t just dropping him after 1-2 bad weeks. Don’t agree? He hasn’t made the top 10 of our B&F for 3 years and this year despite playing a majority of games.

How we’ve continued to accept having a poor ruck is insane given we’ve tried to improve all other areas of the list and club.

Well if the rumour about English is true it seems we are at least acknowledging that we need to move on from ROB sooner rather than later. Unfortunately we are after Sam Draper too, will purely come down to whether the Crows offer too much for Essendon to match (which I'm worried will happen). He's happy at Essendon, but the money coming from the Crows is turning his head and making him think twice.

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

I get that, and agree the biggest current issue is not upgrading Strachan.

Melbourne do have Tom Fullarton and Will Verrall developing on their list though. We don't have any pure rucks under 28 (T.Murray as more of a FWD who can chop-out).

Whether they are 19 or 22, I'm not as fazed - but we should be making room for one more IMO.

Melbourne don't rate either of those two though, Goodwin even said that neither were up to the standard when Gawn was injured last year and they played Petty as a ruck. Toby Murray can be a genuine ruck/forward, very interested to see his development in 2025 in the ruck.

 

[George Kramer]

Well if the rumour about English is true it seems we are at least acknowledging that we need to move on from ROB sooner rather than later. Unfortunately we are after Sam Draper too, will purely come down to whether the Crows offer too much for Essendon to match (which I'm worried will happen). He's happy at Essendon, but the money coming from the Crows is turning his head and making him think twice.

So you’ve got admit we are morons

 

[Mutineer]

Melbourne don't rate either of those two though, Goodwin even said that neither were up to the standard when Gawn was injured last year and they played Petty as a ruck. Toby Murray can be a genuine ruck/forward, very interested to see his development in 2025 in the ruck.

Will Verrall also tested very very very poorly in all the endurance testing in his draft year

 

[crows dude]

Hmm we’ve dropped ROB 2 years running, forget about injuries.

And given he’s our main ruck, we carry him for games when in bad form, we aren’t just dropping him after 1-2 bad weeks. Don’t agree? He hasn’t made the top 10 of our B&F for 3 years and this year despite playing a majority of games.

How we’ve continued to accept having a poor ruck is insane given we’ve tried to improve all other areas of the list and club.

Last 10 premiership ruckman
Darcy Fort
Mason Cox
Rhys Stanley
Max Gawn
Toby Nankervis
Toby Nankervis
Scott Lycett
Toby Nankervis
Jordan Roughead
Brendan McEvoy

Only Gawn is class as a dominant ruck. Don’t need a great ruck

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

So you’ve got admit we are morons

I don't lose sleep over rucks tbh, but agree we should have at least replaced Strachan well before this season and had someone that could genuinely challenge ROB for the number one spot.

 

[dogs105]

Not wishing a serious injury on anyone, but if ROB did go down, the club will cop what it deserves. Any gains we’ve made will be wiped away if we don’t have a ruck at all and Strachan clearly isn’t an AFL ruck

Strachan did okay in previous stints. Didn't look fit this year in his AFL games. Wonder if he had any injuries??

 

[George Kramer]

Strachan did okay in previous stints. Didn't look fit this year in his AFL games. Wonder if he had any injuries??

He’s never looked fit

 

[dogs105]

He’s never looked fit

This year far less so than in the past

 

[Mutineer]

I don't lose sleep over rucks tbh, but agree we should have at least replaced Strachan well before this season and had someone that could genuinely challenge ROB for the number one spot.

And always a young development ruck coming through until we're certain they're never going to be our lead ruck at which time we replace them with another youngster. Other clubs do it why not us? Dante Visentini down the road looks almost ready now going on his AFL exposure this season.

 

[crow2crow]

Strachan did okay in previous stints. Didn't look fit this year in his AFL games. Wonder if he had any injuries??

he couldn't run out games in previous years either

 

[dogs105]

he couldn't run out games in previous years either

2021 especially wasn't so bad. Think he only played a couple though

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If ROB goes down, he'll go on the LTI list and we'll grab someone in the midseason draft.

If it happens later in the list, we'd probably run with Toby Murray and Thilthorpe, and have a more mobile setup.

I find it hard to get stressed about rucks, considering how little influence they seem to have on whether your club is a success or not.

I would have rather we had someone maybe three or four years younger than Rob as his backup, but I'm not in love with drafting rucks. It takes six years til they start contributing, you might as well go buy one.

Our season will then be over before the mid season draft... or what if ROB goes down after it?

We are even more vulnerable now Berg has left as imo he was our next best option.

Given Strachan can't run out 4 quarters of AFL, what is the point in having him on our list? Just get someone else.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Last 10 premiership ruckman
Darcy Fort
Mason Cox
Rhys Stanley
Max Gawn
Toby Nankervis
Toby Nankervis
Scott Lycett
Toby Nankervis
Jordan Roughead
Brendan McEvoy

Only Gawn is class as a dominant ruck. Don’t need a great ruck

Fort at least was capable of playing 4 quarters of football as a backup.

 

[Scorpus]

he couldn't run out games in previous years either

He's SANFL fit.

 

[GreyCrow]

I hope philgood deleted his post after posting and didnt back it up to the work server

 

[Danger in Texas]

I’m still filthy at overlooking Ned Moyle for Parnell.

Other clubs are raining with ruck options at different stages of development (Freo being exhibit A).

We’re really trying to outsmart the rest of the comp.

Yeah this was one of Hamish’s more clear drafting errors

That and McHenry

 

[huludicidal]

Yeah this was one of Hamish’s more clear drafting errors

That and McHenry

And Gallucci
And Jones
And McAsey

 

[Danger in Texas]

And Gallucci
And Jones
And McAsey

Jones more a development issue I think

Gallucci and particularly McAsey also duds yes, but reckon Ned in hindsight was the one who showed the least genuine AFL traits as a junior, out of our top picks

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Jones more a development issue I think

Gallucci and particularly McAsey also duds yes, but reckon Ned in hindsight was the one who showed the least genuine AFL traits as a junior, out of our top picks

McHenry was an awful pick... Hamish panicked after we got rolled by a ferocious pressure Richmond in 2017 and thought Ned was going to be an elite quick pressure forward. He reached massively.

 

[huludicidal]

Jones more a development issue I think

Gallucci and particularly McAsey also duds yes, but reckon Ned in hindsight was the one who showed the least genuine AFL traits as a junior, out of our top picks

I agree that we haven’t developed Jones well at all, but we selected him ahead of a future hall of famer in Butters who played in essentially the same position as Chayce as a junior. If you reverse the clubs / development staff, does Butters turn into a state league player at Adelaide and Jones turn into a hall of famer at Port? I’d suggest the chasm in class / production would remain pretty similar.

I do get your point though. McHenry literally possessed 0 first round attributes. Ever. At least Jones and Gallucci had some fun athletic traits (pity they were / are shit at AFL football).

McAsey looked a million bucks against a terrible key forward crop in his draft year, that no recruiters even rated. It’s almost like the quality of forwards that a key defender is playing on dictates how much stock you can put in the defender’s value (in addition to the defender’s athletic profile, which by the way, was horrific)! How utterly revolutionary.

In Hamish we trust.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

We paid a very fair price for ANB, just hope we don't roll over and pay overs for Peatling....

 

[Danger in Texas]

I agree that we haven’t developed Jones well at all, but we selected him ahead of a future hall of famer in Butters who played in essentially the same position as Chayce as a junior. If you reverse the clubs / development staff, does Butters turn into a state league player at Adelaide and Jones turn into a hall of famer at Port? I’d suggest the chasm in class / production would remain pretty similar.

I do get your point though. McHenry literally possessed 0 first round attributes. Ever. At least Jones and Gallucci had some fun athletic traits (pity they were / are shit at AFL football).

McAsey looked a million bucks against a terrible key forward crop in his draft year, that no recruiters even rated. It’s almost like the quality of forwards that a key defender is playing on dictates how much stock you can put in the defender’s value (in addition to the defender’s athletic profile, which by the way, was horrific)! How utterly revolutionary.

In Hamish we trust.

Excellent point on McAsey that I’ve brought up a few times in the past. Don’t think there was a single key forward drafted in the top 25 bar Georgiades, who didn’t play in the Champs that year

Gotta look beyond pure performance when you’re in such a profession

Re: Jones - it’s a fair point, I do think Jones would’ve become a better player at, say, Port than he has become with us (possibly solely due to the fact that Mick Godden wouldn’t have been his coach). Definitely had the most in his favour to succeed out of all of our dud picks