Certified Legendary Thread 2nd Ashes Test England v Australia June 28-July 2 1930hrs @ Lords

[FromTheBoundaryLine]

Love how the Poms go on about upholding the spirit of cricket all while their sour grapes have singlehandedly brought the game into disrepute. It's one thing for the crowd and media to baying for blood but the behaviour of McCullum, Broad, Stokes and Root has been pathetic

This situation has turned from a fiasco and farce to a sad and dark state of affairs, so well done England for spitting the dummy and ruining the series like a bunch of ******* children.

Well summed up. I’m surprised not one of the English leadership group or even Bairstow himself hasn’t put this to bed. Reeks of a team that refuses to look at their own weaknesses. They become more embarrassing by the day. If they are are using this to generate some faux anger to galvanise the unit then they are even more desperate than they appear now.

 

[Sun Ra]

And I bet Bairstow is doing exactly that behind closed doors.

My take is Carey did Bairstow a favour. You'd think he'll learn his lesson from this and never get out like that again.
If Cummins had recalled him, he'd keep on with his lazy, dozy behaviour .......

 

[kickazz]

Well summed up. I’m surprised not one of the English leadership group or even Bairstow himself hasn’t put this to bed. Reeks of a team that refuses to look at their own weaknesses. They become more embarrassing by the day. If they are are using this to generate some faux anger to galvanise the unit then they are even more desperate than they appear now.

Yeah relying on externalities for motivation is not very empowering.

 

[deanc]

3-2 would be great if not for the notorious british weather - you'd think at least 1-2 tests in an Ashes tour would result in a draw due to rain.

I predicted Australia 3-1 before a ball was bowled a few weeks back with inclement weather contributing to one draw and I still reckon the hosts will snag a test....

 

[Sun Ra]

Practice.

 

[The_Todd07]

And we are not even half way there, I hope they don't ruin the Ashes legacy.

Realistically, the English having a massive dummy spit is perfectly in keeping with the Ashes legacy

 

[Sun Ra]

You might need to put on an English accent. Can you impersonate Michael Caine? John Cleese? King Charles? Frank Spencer?

 

[plugger59]

Aussies have now asked for extra security for families after Smith's mum had to leave the ground due to abuse and the 11 year old child of a staff member was crying from the abuse.

It's gone too far, England. You have a problem. Next Ashes out here I honestly think the barmy army should have a cage around them because that would be appropriate.

I don't think this was the Barmy Army.
I did 3 tests in 2009 there. Cardiff was great - lots of happy banter with the BA. Edgbaston wasn't too bad - but quite intimidating as a supporter. The BA once again was great - no aggro. It was the rest of the plebs standing over you in their seats pointing and chanting down at you- pretty uncomfortable but never really felt unsafe. Lords - I absolutely hated it. The whole crowd was full of Hooray Henry's who were actually just dis-affected soccer hooligans. Hated every minute of it. It was feral and I did not feel safe.
I have been back to the UK several times for various reasons and I love it. it is a brilliant place to visit but I will never ever go to another cricket match there again.

 

[Present Not Past]

All this footage and commentary coming out now showing Bairstow dismissing or attempting to dismiss batsmen in a similar way to Paine.
How utterly embarrassing for English players, commentators and supporters.

 

[grumbleguts]

I don't think this was the Barmy Army.
I did 3 tests in 2009 there. Cardiff was great - lots of happy banter with the BA. Edgbaston wasn't too bad - but quite intimidating as a supporter. The BA once again was great - no aggro. It was the rest of the plebs standing over you in their seats pointing and chanting down at you- pretty uncomfortable but never really felt unsafe. Lords - I absolutely hated it. The whole crowd was full of Hooray Henry's who were actually just dis-affected soccer hooligans. Hated every minute of it. It was feral and I did not feel safe.
I have been back to the UK several times for various reasons and I love it. it is a brilliant place to visit but I will never ever go to another cricket match there again.

It's a horrible place to visit. Anyone who reads tis and considers believeing it, DON'T!

I've never seen a blue sky in England, the place stinks, and if you go in summer it's full of bloody American tourists.

 

[Osho]

It's a horrible place to visit. Anyone who reads tis and considers believeing it, DON'T!

I've never seen a blue sky in England, the place stinks, and if you go in summer it's full of bloody American tourists.

The prospect of meeting locals AND foreigners abroad, in Summer, is shocking.

 

[Osho]

Henry Blofeld pipes up.
I have wonderful memories hearing this bloke commentate ashes going back decades, on both local and short wave radio. A legendary chap, and atypical of his supposed "group".

 

[deanc]

Realistically, the English having a massive dummy spit is perfectly in keeping with the Ashes legacy

Related observation.

I and suggest most relish the Ashes rivalry and associated banter, moreover I would be almost disappointed if the English press didn't publish ther usual tabloid style musings - but it's the first time in living memory I recall the English players and coach as a unit providing the media daily headlines which even for a neutral would appear to be them quizzically presenting reasons/excuses to explain their current 0-2 scoreline...

While I'm no psychologist, could this behaviour be mainly attributed to their realisation and fear that their much lauded 'bazball' strategy is not living up to the hype and indeed may result with them losing the first home series Ashes in 22 years..?

What Australia need to do this week is A. win the toss and B. bat for 2 days, notwithstanding inclement weather and/or other unforeseen circumstances that would pretty much be the series over..!

 

[sideswipe]

All this footage and commentary coming out now showing Bairstow dismissing or attempting to dismiss batsmen in a similar way to Paine.
How utterly embarrassing for English players, commentators and supporters.

Even better is the Bairstow interview after the day's play. His description of the dismissal

“It’s just one of those things that’s within the rules of the game and that is how it is.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/cricket/jonny-bairstow-hypocrisy-exposed-by-2014-interview-over-his-own-cheeky-stumping-act/news-story/46a1f593fbed163fca8e05827e3ed488

 

[sideswipe]

Related observation.

I and suggest most relish the Ashes rivalry and associated banter, moreover I would be almost disappointed if the English press didn't publish ther usual tabloid style musings - but it's the first time in living memory I recall the English players and coach as a unit providing the media daily headlines which even for a neutral would appear to be them quizzically presenting reasons/excuses to explain their current 0-2 scoreline...

While I'm no psychologist, could this behaviour be mainly attributed to their realisation and fear that their much lauded 'bazball' strategy is not living up to the hype and indeed maybe a contributing factor with them losing the first home series Ashes in 22 years..?

What Australia need to do this week is A. win the toss and B. bat for 2 days, notwithstanding inclement weather and/or other unforeseen circumstances that would pretty much be the series over..!

At its very foundation, Bazball is a collective delusion. Somehow these English plonkers believe they are "the most entertaining team in history" and that they have saved cricket.

 

[Osho]

Related observation.

I and suggest most relish the Ashes rivalry and associated banter, moreover I would be almost disappointed if the English press didn't publish ther usual tabloid style musings - but it's the first time in living memory I recall the English players and coach as a unit providing the media daily headlines which even for a neutral would appear to be them quizzically presenting reasons/excuses to explain their current 0-2 scoreline...

While I'm no psychologist, could this behaviour be mainly attributed to their realisation and fear that their much lauded 'bazball' strategy is not living up to the hype and indeed may result with them losing the first home series Ashes in 22 years..?

What Australia need to do this week is A. win the toss and B. bat for 2 days, notwithstanding inclement weather and/or other unforeseen circumstances that would pretty much be the series over..!

I reckon Bazball is interesting. The English just need to be more adaptive at those times when they don't need to go all out. A bazball / circumspect balance would be more effective in an even contest, and they could have been 2 nil up themselves had they been smarter in some situations.

The galvinization of the team that McCallum speaks of I'm sure is true. However, it could go either way for them, it may just as likely make them do more silly things, and lose the joy they had told us abt at the start of series.

Aust just needs to stay calm - and keep on keeping on, that is the wheel house of both coach and captain it seems.

 

[DamoESP]

More of their own speaking sense, saying Bairstow is the only one to blame for his dismissal. Also said that if any moment broke the spirit of cricket it was when Bairstow left his crease without turning around to acknowledge the ball going through to the keeper

But I'm sure some Poms will tell us Vaughn has no idea what he is on about

 

[sideswipe]

I reckon Bazball is interesting. The English just need to be more adaptive at those times when they don't need to go all out. A bazball / circumspect balance would be more effective in an even contest, and they could have been 2 nil up themselves had they been smarter in some situations.

The galvinization of the team that McCallum speaks of I'm sure is true. However, it could go either way for them, it may just as likely make them do more silly things, and lose the joy they had told us abt at the start of series.

Aust just needs to stay calm - and keep on keeping on, that is the wheel house of both coach and captain it seems.

If they need external factors to galvanize them to perform better, they are in trouble.

 

[kickazz]

I reckon Bazball is interesting. The English just need to be more adaptive at those times when they don't need to go all out. A bazball / circumspect balance would be more effective in an even contest, and they could have been 2 nil up themselves had they been smarter in some situations.

So normal, somewhat aggressive test cricket then?

 

[Purple Suit]

I reckon Bazball is interesting. The English just need to be more adaptive at those times when they don't need to go all out. A bazball / circumspect balance would be more effective in an even contest, and they could have been 2 nil up themselves had they been smarter in some situations.

The galvinization of the team that McCallum speaks of I'm sure is true. However, it could go either way for them, it may just as likely make them do more silly things, and lose the joy they had told us abt at the start of series.

Aust just needs to stay calm - and keep on keeping on, that is the wheel house of both coach and captain it seems.

The hard thing with the batting side is it’s either all or nothing. If you race to 40 playing reverse sweeps & then get out to one, would you have got that far playing sensible?

I feel like everyone should have a license but Root should bat normally. He’s test quality so seems dumb to have him playing high risk shots.

The Bazball in the field is no different. England already showed they are happy to switch to defensive boring tactics if necessary when the pressure is on.

Declaring in the first innings for a 4 over spell was stupid & drinking their own bath water.

 

[WheelAndDeal]

Watching the Bairstow dismissal live I genuinely thought there was nothing wrong with it. Bairstow strutting around paying no attention to whether or not Carey even gloved the ball, Carey underarmed the stumps down and he was left standing 4m outside his crease like a dil.

I have played Cricket since I was 5 years old at all sorts of levels - local grade cricket through to underage State competitions. I've seen some pretty bad stuff but can guarantee that if what happened to Bairstow happened to me I would have no one to blame but myself. Always wait until the umpires call over, you don't dictate when the ball is dead.

The criticism in the English media and their camp is a joke. Broad of all people acting like he can dictate what is and isn't considered in the spirit of the game when he has literally been quoted saying he has a "win-at-all-costs" attitude and that his walking incident will not be remembered. An ENTIRE article coming from someone who can't even show the respect to turn around and appeal to the umpire for an LBW. Why should anyone believe anything that comes out of his mouth? Tool.

Stokes saying he would withdraw the appeal yeah right. Would've been lauded as Bazball brilliance.

Their reaction is clearly a deflection to the real problem which is that England, despite favourable conditions and circumstances over two test matches, still could not find a way to win using their much-hyped Bazball strategy.

FWIW, I think Bazball is a good strategy. But it certainly has its flaws and like Steve Waugh said, is there a plan B? I think that because they have doubled and tripled down about sticking to their guns, they've cornered themselves into having to play attacking all the time no matter the situation. They've made Bazball a priority over winning games of Test Cricket and clearly it's showed.

Talk all you want, but at the end of the day it's 2-0 and that's all that matters.

 

[tigland]

Anyone see this from Travis Head yesterday?

Head told the Willow Talk podcast. “I sort of reminded Jonny last week, I walked out of my crease in Edgbaston at the end of the over and the ball got whipped in, and I quickly whipped my bat back and questioned Jonny, ‘would you take the stumps?’ And he said ‘bloody oath I would’ and ran off.”

 

[Bedi]

I don't think this was the Barmy Army.
I did 3 tests in 2009 there. Cardiff was great - lots of happy banter with the BA. Edgbaston wasn't too bad - but quite intimidating as a supporter. The BA once again was great - no aggro. It was the rest of the plebs standing over you in their seats pointing and chanting down at you- pretty uncomfortable but never really felt unsafe. Lords - I absolutely hated it. The whole crowd was full of Hooray Henry's who were actually just dis-affected soccer hooligans. Hated every minute of it. It was feral and I did not feel safe.
I have been back to the UK several times for various reasons and I love it. it is a brilliant place to visit but I will never ever go to another cricket match there again.

I was lucky to see Aussie win at Lords 2015 and the crowd were insufferable. Snide, belligerent remarks all day as they got blotto drinking bottles of red wine in the beating sun. Enjoyed the cricket but not the people.

 

[beatnik]

Aussies have now asked for extra security for families after Smith's mum had to leave the ground due to abuse and the 11 year old child of a staff member was crying from the abuse.

It's gone too far, England. You have a problem. Next Ashes out here I honestly think the barmy army should have a cage around them because that would be appropriate.

NewsCorp tabloids pushing for drama to sell news…vile stuff

 

[beatnik]

I reckon Bazball is interesting. The English just need to be more adaptive at those times when they don't need to go all out. A bazball / circumspect balance would be more effective in an even contest, and they could have been 2 nil up themselves had they been smarter in some situations.

The galvinization of the team that McCallum speaks of I'm sure is true. However, it could go either way for them, it may just as likely make them do more silly things, and lose the joy they had told us abt at the start of series.

Aust just needs to stay calm - and keep on keeping on, that is the wheel house of both coach and captain it seems.

Bazball is a PR term designed to make the opposition think there’s something more to the English battjng than: ‘throw the bat’

Plus, as others have said: combining ‘aggressive’ and ‘non-aggressive’ batting is called ‘normal’ batting