Australia vs India First Test - Adelaide Oval - Dec 9 - Dec 13

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Siddle has been pedestrian for years.

Gave us good service, and will be remembered fondly, but he's finished.

Not sure about years but his pace was down last summer if IIRC. Not sure if he's finished but would not object to him being dropped at this point.
 
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At the top level, you only have to drop 5-10 km consistently to go from Test Class to cannon fodder. Jason Gillespie is your most recent example of this.

I wouldn't say it's quite that simple. Gillespie didn't just lose pace, he lost consistency. He was offering up a 4 ball almost once an over. You can't take wickets like that, no matter how quick you are. McGrath lost pace, but it didn't affect his ability to take wickets or keep it tight because he adjusted to his new pace accordingly. Gillespie couldn't. Siddle hasn't. Brett Lee did. He was arguably a craftier, and overall better, bowler after he dropped down to 140-145.

Basically, Siddle doesn't have the menace to his bowling that he used to, but hasn't seemed willing to adjust his bowling to suit. His career is at a crossroads, but he isn't at the end of it. He has time to make the adjustments to his game to recover. He may have to do that at FC level, however.
 
I think Wade's keeping issues are growing in the memory of the public the longer they don't see him. Not saying he was or is a great keeper, but there's a lot of mythologising about how bad he was.

Marsh was the obvious replacement for Clarke, has been the best performing of the middle order candidates this year. Cowan for Rogers would have been an interesting call, but I think we'd need to wait another test or two before making such a conclusive decision.

Agree re: Wade.

Disagree on S Marsh though... don't think he has what it takes at Test Level unfortunately. Voges has outperformed him this year and would've been a better option IMO.
 
I would worry (really worry) if his keeping could possibly get worse, it was approaching Germaint Jones standards! Wade I see potentially as a specialist bat, but I can' see his keeping ever being test standard.
As I said, he's worked on his keeping and it has improved immensely. Nothing wrong with his work in the ODIs.

Has age on his side. Hartley, who is being pushed by flogs like Healy, is nearly as old as Haddin.
 
As I said, he's worked on his keeping and it has improved immensely. Nothing wrong with his work in the ODIs.

Has age on his side. Hartley, who is being pushed by flogs like Healy, is nearly as old as Haddin.

I would rather play Whiteman in 12-24 months time. We can carry Haddin purely for his leadership alone for that period. Has a sensational record against England too.
 
As I said, he's worked on his keeping and it has improved immensely. Nothing wrong with his work in the ODIs.

Has age on his side. Hartley, who is being pushed by flogs like Healy, is nearly as old as Haddin.

5 years younger, that is around 50 tests. If he's the best option then pick him, but I'm not sure he is.
 
5 years younger, that is around 50 tests. If he's the best option then pick him, but I'm not sure he is.
Still approaching 33. And he's no better than Wade or Paine for that matter. Can't see it.

Anyway, unless Haddin's form drops away quickly can't see the selectors dicing him anytime soon.
 
Still approaching 33. And he's no better than Wade or Paine for that matter. Can't see it.

Anyway, unless Haddin's form drops away quickly can't see the selectors dicing him anytime soon.

Sorry but disagree, his keeping is way better than Wade no matter how much he's improved and his batting is way better then Paine who was dropped from the Tasmanian team.

Yeah, can't see Haddin getting dropped anytime soon.
 

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Sorry but disagree, his keeping is way better than Wade no matter how much he's improved and his batting is way better then Paine who was dropped from the Tasmanian team.

Yeah, can't see Haddin getting dropped anytime soon.
No need to apologise. You're perfectly entitled to your view.

Wade's keeping is as good as anyone to quicks. And his glove work to spin is more than adequate now - and improving. And he's a way better batter than the others in the hunt and that counts for quite a bit these days.

We agree on Haddin not going anywhere soon. Will need to knock-up a few runs soon though.
 
I can't find it anywhere on the web. What penalty did Kohli get for the ridiculously slow over rate?

The ICC consider a loss of 7 overs to be 'serious', so I'm assuming SOMETHING happened to him.

I was wondering about that also. We've had a statement about the other stuff but heard nothing about the slow over rate, I thought it was a mandatory fine :confused:
 
Has age on his side. Hartley, who is being pushed by flogs like Healy, is nearly as old as Haddin.
Can you not just post a blatant lie as fact. 4.5 years is not "nearly as old"

Hartley would be perfect for 2-3 years to allow more development for Whiteman.
 
Hartley's too old and can't bat to save his life. He is zero chance for selection, always has been.
Another blatant lie.

Wade is first in line as is the nature of CA. But he shouldn't be.

EDIT: Should point out the word another was referencing my post above this one.
 
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Hartley would get destroyed at Test level. His batting is simply not good enough.

I am a big fan of his keeping and wouldn't have minded having him in the side 4 years ago, but he is and always has been a snowball's chance in hell of selection simply because these days nobody wants a tailender at 7.
 
I was wondering about that also. We've had a statement about the other stuff but heard nothing about the slow over rate, I thought it was a mandatory fine :confused:

A fine is such a useless penalty.

Needs to be something that punishes the team then and there for that match. Something tangible that gives the team that loses out an obvious advantage.
 
Hartley would get destroyed at Test level. His batting is simply not good enough.

I am a big fan of his keeping and wouldn't have minded having him in the side 4 years ago, but he is and always has been a snowball's chance in hell of selection.
I have no idea on what basis you are thinking that.

No one is arguing he is a gun, but there is no reason at all to think he wouldn't average 30.

But I agree he probably won't get picked. But he should be next in line. And Nevill should be the one after him.

All this picking of keepers who are batsmen first is stupid. Selectors trying to find another Gilly but forgetting the fact he was an excellent keeper. Wade killed us when he was in the team last time (And I was one pumping for him to come into the team. I was massively wrong). Haddin has been so-so and had some great moments, but he has also had some periods where he has cost us big time.

Whiteman should be the long term option but is not ready yet. He has barely found his feet at first class level.
 
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