He pretty much averages 30 in the Shield. What makes you think he's going to do the same against international attacks?
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Seriously Hartley shouldn't even be in the convo.
Gone are the days where a keeper scratching out a 25 is good enough.
Remember how crap Haddin was behind the stumps when he first made the side? flipping byes galore.
Wade's keeping has improved and will continue to do so, like Haddins did, and he is the best bat of the bunch. He should deservedly be 1st in line behind Haddin.
Gone are the days where a keeper scratching out a 25 is good enough.
Remember how crap Haddin was behind the stumps when he first made the side? flipping byes galore.
Wade's keeping has improved and will continue to do so, like Haddins did, and he is the best bat of the bunch. He should deservedly be 1st in line behind Haddin.
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And therefore way too early to be saying he is the long term anything....
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Wade's keeping is worse than Hartley's batting
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Hardened veteran. Decent enough technique, nothing flashy. I'd back him to do much the same at Shield level if he got the chance.
And if he only averaged 25, I'd take that over Wade averaging 35. I'd shudder to think how much Wades keeping cost us in his tests. It was definitely more than 10 runs an innings.
Nevill would also be a good option. Similar level bat to Wade, but like Hartley he is not a flashy batsmen. Much better keeper than Wade.
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Nevill would be much better than Wade
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Only if we ignoring wicketkeeping. And he's a better batsman than Paine anyway
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I feel like I'm repeating myself ITT. His keeping is nowhere near as bad as people's memories portray it to be.
As AM said he's as good as anyone else against quicks and has worked on and improved his glove work to spinners.
He averages more at test level than Hartley does at state level, so Caesar is right he'd be destroyed at test level.
He's only ahead of Paine because he's in horrible form atm.
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His keeping is not test standard (neither is Haddin's)
And yes Wade is a better batsman than Hartley. He's not much better than Nevill though. And Nevill is the better keeper.
And Paine's horrible form has lasted about 4 seasons. And what point does that stop being a run of poor form?
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There is a reason that the only people who defend Wade are Victorians. And it's not because of anti-Victorian bias.
And yes, Shaun Marsh would not be near test consideration if our batting stocks weren't so horrible.
And yes, Shaun Marsh would not be near test consideration if our batting stocks weren't so horrible.
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I'd view those two as a line ball decision tbh. Could easily go either way.
Well that's the million dollar question, a question many have been asking about Watson for quite some time.
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I'd view those two as a line ball decision tbh. Could easily go either way.
Well that's the million dollar question, a question many have been asking about Watson for quite some time.
Watson is well.
Now that Mitch Marsh is actually providing a superior option if the selectors must insist on having an allrounder he shouldn't be in the team.
Over time CA haven't thought along those lines, stop gaps are rarely used, we saw that again today with Smith ascending to the role of Captain,because of the very real fear that Clarke may me done for good. Three weeks ago Haddin was set to be Australian Test Captain 45, now it's passed him by. I cannot see a scenario where Hartley will play test cricket, if Haddin broke a finger tomorrow, Wade would get the job as a one off, my mail longer term is that Whiteman might be in front. That's not to say he would not be deserving, but I can't see it.
It's odd. What would be the point in giving Wade a run again if they don't see him as the long term player? They may as well just get a better keeper.
It would be like picking your front line bowler because he's a better bat than someone who is a better bolwer than him. I will never really get my head around the downgrading of the keeper's job.
For a one off - Wade has been in the system and knows the group and set up, long term different story. PHIL Emery played one test in Pakistan when Healy basically had to be sedated because of his injuries. He wasn't the next best option, ditto Graham Manou.
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selections for the next test will be interesting
I am not excited by Hazelwood but it will be what it is
It will be interesting to see if Marsh gets the call up to replace Clarke
If both of these guys get the gig, I dare say Haddin's spot will be safe
I am not excited by Hazelwood but it will be what it is
It will be interesting to see if Marsh gets the call up to replace Clarke
If both of these guys get the gig, I dare say Haddin's spot will be safe
Which Test are you referring to? Marsh is the replacement, Hazelwood will replace Siddle.
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I agree. It's etremely unlikely Hartley will be given a shot.
But he should be if Haddin was to finish up suddenly. I think he is more than a stop gap solution too. He could potentially play 25-30 tests, which would give great time for Whiteman to develop.
Hartley is old in cricketing terms. Wade is earmarked as the keeper-in-waiting as we speak. Whiteman is a long way off.
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little fella. cuts deep.
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Why was he chosen for the ODIs then?
Also, for what it's worth, most of the pundits have him one-out-one-back as we speak.
Convenience is the answer, he's not in the 1 X 1 anymore, more likely buried 3 pegs, with a wall of contenders around him. If Haddin pulled the pin tomorrow, Nevill and Whiteman would be the decision. The selectors saw the six state keepers as all being about the same with Whiteman potentially ahead on a few scores.
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