List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[CountryLad]

Baker would make us a better side next year but he’s not an A grader. He’s a solid utility that can play a few different roles as a small. Hasn’t won an all-Australian jumper or a club F&B.

A first rounder would be overs, an early to mid second probably about right and late second early third not enough.

In no way should we be giving up a late first for Baker with where our list is at and how our draft hand looks. If we receive some assistance then maybe that changes things slightly.

 

[FKASC]

Not doing a lot for our age profile.


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Not our obsession with talls

 

[Broken_Chairs]

2x end of first round PP's, solves our Baker dilemma

1 for Baker, hit the draft with the other if we can

 

[Cuzz09]

Ralphy again saying Baker wants us, but it’ll come down to whether we split our first.

We better not split a top 3 pick on the premise of getting Liam Baker

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Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

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D/F

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Last 5

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15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

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u know we will. we aims 2 please these days.

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[mattyc75]

2x end of first round PP's, solves our Baker dilemma

1 for Baker, hit the draft with the other if we can

Yeah that's what I'm hoping for!

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[Godfather32]

I would rather Garcia over Baker.

Younger , not a runt and fair value .

You just know the Vic media will over value Baker

Best thing for us would be Baker sign 1 more year then leave as a free agent

Yeah, agree completely. I only want Baker if we get him for something of very little value, which we won't.

 

[ghostbat12]

Baker would make us a better side next year but he’s not an A grader. He’s a solid utility that can play a few different roles as a small. Hasn’t won an all-Australian jumper or a club F&B.

A first rounder would be overs, an early to mid second probably about right and late second early third not enough.

In no way should we be giving up a late first for Baker with where our list is at and how our draft hand looks. If we receive some assistance then maybe that changes things slightly.

To be fair, if you could get baker type players early to mid 2nd round, you would take it each time. Petrucelle was mid 2nd round.

He is about same value as Duggan. So if you feel happy Duggan going for early to mid second, then that’s the value.

He is a solid b grader and we have a lot of c and d graders.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Giving up anywhere near a first rounder for a bloke with just over 60% disposal efficiency is madness

 

[DeckedOut20]

I'm melting. Just cull one of Tim Kelly and Yeo and be done with the facade.

It seems like we are not getting them two on board and healthy at the same time. So just be done with it. Next year is even worse since they are a year later.

It's Shuey 2023 all over again

Poo-wee, that take stinks.

Of our 17 games this season, they have played 12 together, thats 71% of the games this season.

Yeo missed RD9 & RD10, so he has played 88% of the season.
TK missed RD12, RD13 & RD15, so he has played 82% of the season.

Bigger fish to fry than that, mate.

 

[BrotherDodge]

Baker would make us a better side next year but he’s not an A grader. He’s a solid utility that can play a few different roles as a small. Hasn’t won an all-Australian jumper or a club F&B.

Yep I reckon he's more the Redden/Chick/Stenglein type; an above average player who's a very handy addition if you're contending, but they won't do much to fix a shithouse team. It makes more sense for Freo to pick him up.

 

[CountryLad]

To be fair, if you could get baker type players early to mid 2nd round, you would take it each time. Petrucelle was mid 2nd round.

He is about same value as Duggan. So if you feel happy Duggan going for early to mid second, then that’s the value.

He is a solid b grader and we have a lot of c and d graders.

Duggan would not get us anything higher than a second round pick if he wanted to leave and a trade was required. As it is he’s into free agency anyway and looks like resigning by most reports.

 

[eaglespremiers]

To be fair, if you could get baker type players early to mid 2nd round, you would take it each time. Petrucelle was mid 2nd round.

He is about same value as Duggan. So if you feel happy Duggan going for early to mid second, then that’s the value.

He is a solid b grader and we have a lot of c and d graders.

Duggan is Baker from Wish.

 

[stallon]

Duggan is Baker from Wish.

I think you might have it backwards

 

[dinnaz]

I've always been a fan of a U21 (or something) comp. Drafted at 18 like now, play U21 for a couple of years, get a degree or a TAFE diploma or whatever as insurance if they don't make it, then onto the AFL.

Counterargument has always been players like Reid ready to impact at 18 etc. But I'm still a fan of the idea.

AFL is elite footy. No need to cater for adults who aren't up to scratch. Those 3 years really make your core development which would effectively lower the strength of the comp.

You can go to uni/tafe/apprentiship/traineeship at any age these days. Plenty of people take gap years as well or change careers entirely.

 

[Selurs]

Duggan is Baker from Wish.

I think you might have it backwards

And thus proving that 1 x Baker ~= 1 x Duggan

Both top blokes who bring a heap of leadership along with some solid but unspectacular ability.

Earlier in the year there were reports of clubs being into Duggan in a big way before he indicated he wasn't all that interested in leaving, but no-one here would have expected a first rounder for him. In the same way, Richmond fans need to accept that we can be well into Baker but also not interested in parting ways with a first rounder.

Ralphy is as thick as two short planks so I expect he's probably not capable of grasping a concept as complex as this one.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

AFL is elite footy. No need to cater for adults who aren't up to scratch. Those 3 years really make your core development which would effectively lower the strength of the comp.

The NFL is also elite

 

[dinnaz]

And thus proving that 1 x Baker ~= 1 x Duggan

Both top blokes who bring a heap of leadership along with some solid but unspectacular ability.

Earlier in the year there were reports of clubs being into Duggan in a big way before he indicated he wasn't all that interested in leaving, but no-one here would have expected a first rounder for him. In the same way, Richmond fans need to accept that we can be well into Baker but also not interested in parting ways with a first rounder.

Ralphy is as thick as two short planks so I expect he's probably not capable of grasping a concept as complex as this one.

Duggan > Baker.
What delusion are you all partaking in?

If Baker was on our list now he would be in the JJ basket of an honest toiler who f**** up more often than not.
Paying anything to bring in the deadset definition of an average footballer goes against the whole point of improving the list for the long term.

 

[Elite Pete]

If we are to get assistance, I think it will be along of the lines of what North got first in 2022.

2 extra list spots and a future (2025) 2nd round and 3rd pick that has to be traded for a player/s.

Hand that straight over for Baker if he wants in. Freo got this for Griffen Logue and Darcy Tucker

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Darcy Tucker

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27

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184cm

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83kg

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15.9

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8.3

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7.6

5star

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3.3

3star

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3.3

5star

MG

239.7

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14.0

3star

K

8.5

3star

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5.5

3star

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2.6

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3.3

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240.5

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14.4

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8.0

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6.4

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3.0

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2.8

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234.8

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, The 2nd along with their own 2nd round helped Freo get a possible top 10 pick via Port trade.

 

[beagles]

If we are to get assistance, I think it will be along of the lines of what North got first in 2022.

2 extra list spots and a future (2025) 2nd round and 3rd pick that has to be traded for a player/s.

Hand that straight over for Baker if he wants in. Freo got this for Griffen Logue and Darcy Tucker, The 2nd along with their own 2nd round helped Freo get a possible top 10 pick via Port trade.

Too late for that. It would have to be the same North got last year.
PP two years in a row shows they got it wrong 2022

Precedent is set and Tassie too close.

 

[Elite Pete]

Too late for that. It would have to be the same North got last year.
PP two years in a row shows they got it wrong 2022

Precedent is set and Tassie too close.

Too late? We haven’t attempted to get anything before? Precedent would be to get the same as North got first?

I think this will be the best we get this year. (I personally don’t think we will get anything any way but have a better argument the North to get anything with Venables+Collard+Sheppard+18into30 ect)

 

[stallon]

Too late? We haven’t attempted to get anything before? Precedent would be to get the same as North got first?

I think this will be the best we get this year. (I personally don’t think we will get anything any way but have a better argument the North to get anything with Venables+Collard+Sheppard+18into30 ect)

The AFL doesnt want to be giving a club assistance 2 years in a row, they had a lot of complaints after how they handled North. It wont be the same as what North got, if there is any priority picks theyll want it to be a one and done situation

 

[Boohemian]

I'm melting. Just cull one of Tim Kelly

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Tim Kelly

Age

30

Ht

184cm

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83kg

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Mid

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23.6

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13.5

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10.1

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M

3.4

3star

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4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

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7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

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3.6

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21.6

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K

10.4

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11.2

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M

2.8

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3.8

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3.8

5star

and Yeo and be done with the facade.

It seems like we are not getting them two on board and healthy at the same time. So just be done with it. Next year is even worse since they are a year later.

It's Shuey 2023 all over again

Ahem.

The expression (and noted WCE big footy boardism) is "it's Charlotte Dawson all over again".

 

[plays tall 1]

A few people (Twomey included) suggesting this is a very deep draft. Is it really though? By most accounts the WA and SA teams were poor and don’t have much draftable talent. WA and SA represent a pretty big part of the AFL talent pool. And yet they (WA in particular) were very competitive against the supposedly uber deep VC and VM teams.

All of which is to say I hope we don’t get so intoxicated with this line of thought that we start trading out of next year’s draft.

 

[dajesmac]

I think you might have it backwards

Wish from Baker is Duggan

 

[eaglevision]

A few people (Twomey included) suggesting this is a very deep draft. Is it really though? By most accounts the WA and SA teams were poor and don’t have much draftable talent. WA and SA represent a pretty big part of the AFL talent pool. And yet they (WA in particular) were very competitive against the supposedly uber deep VC and VM teams.

All of which is to say I hope we don’t get so intoxicated with this line of thought that we start trading out of next year’s draft.

It’s incredibly deep. There are players I have ranked in the 60s that I’d prefer to give a chance to rather than keep than almost a dozen players on our list. If the club decides to go all in on this draft I’d fully support that. There’s every chance Banfield, Walley and Evans end up making next year largely a points draft for us, except for our F1 if we keep it.