List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

[Keys]

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

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  176cm

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  Career

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  6.9

  3star

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  5.4

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  2.8

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  2.9

  4star

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  3.0

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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[Bender_]

If someone doesn't acknowledge my Moyle jokes I'm deleting my account Dark Shark's style.

AKA not at all.

 

[SetsSailForHome]

First I've heard of this Moyle fella, what's his tip work like? We need someone that slices through the opposition and throws the schmucks to the side.

If someone doesn't acknowledge my Moyle jokes I'm deleting my account Dark Shark's style.

AKA not at all.

you were definitely overDUE to make the team laugh

 

[Feeling Groovy]

If someone doesn't acknowledge my Moyle jokes I'm deleting my account Dark Shark's style.

AKA not at all.

I was being circumspect in my appreciation.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I hope English has signed on he's a proper crab at ruckwork, the play is Moyle and 26 for Ryan GC or knobel and 25 for ryan FREO

Moyle signed a four year deal not long ago.

 

[Bender_]

I was being circumspect in my appreciation.

Mazel tov

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

Haven't heard much love about Joe Richards, who I rate and is out-of-contract. Maybe it's because it's thought that small forwards can be found readily in the draft, and appreciable hope about Long and Dewar, but he sits well for us age and position-wise.

 

[Keys]

Haven't heard much love about Joe Richards, who I rate and is out-of-contract. Maybe it's because it's thought that small forwards can be found readily in the draft, and appreciable hope about Long and Dewar, but he sits well for us age and position-wise.

This guy?

 

[Free Agent]

Just hold him. Get a huge preseason into him, get him back playing vintage flyin and then sell him off end of next year for a higher pick.

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Exactly what I'm thinking.
A pick in the late 20s is a joke for Ryan. Doesn't do anything for our rebuild because the chances of getting a 200 game AFL quality player in the late 20s is very rare these days. Why throw a player that's pure quality in Ryan away for a huge risk on a crappy late 20s pick. All I'm saying is the price needs to be right for us. We need to be smart, not stupid and desperate just because we need to bring in some draft picks.

Most years the top 15 in the draft is where its at. Anything after that is a lotto. Going by history its a 10-20% chance at best of getting a player that will be quality and play 200 games. Most end up being duds.

Anyone that says otherwise needs to go and look at every draft from 2018 or even further back if you like and see who got drafted in the 20-30 range.
Most years it only 1 or 2 that make it in that range between 20-30. Most years 8 players in that range don't make it at all.

Ryan for a pick in the 20s isn't what it's cracked up to be. It's time we started rating our players worth more highly. They know it. No wonder why they are after all our players if we are that easy at bending over. They want Ryan that badly then pay up. It's fair to say a pick between 10-15. Its non negotiable. Anything over that screw them and it isn't worth our time.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Exactly what I'm thinking.
A pick in the late 20s is a joke for Ryan. Doesn't do anything for our rebuild because the chances of getting a 200 game AFL quality player in the late 20s is very rare these days. Why throw a player that's pure quality in Ryan away for a huge risk on a crappy late 20s pick. All I'm saying is the price needs to be right for us. We need to be smart, not stupid and desperate just because we need to bring in some draft picks.

Most years the top 15 in the draft is where its at. Anything after that is a lotto. Going by history its a 10-20% chance at best of getting a player that will be quality and play 200 games. Most end up being duds.

Anyone that says otherwise needs to go and look at every draft from 2018 or ego even further back if you like and see who got drafted in the 20-30 range.
Most years it only 1 or 2 that make it in that range between 20-30. Most years 8 players in that range don't make it at all.

Ryan for a pick in the 20s isn't what it's cracked up to be. It's time we started rating our players worth more highly. They know it. No wonder why they are after all our players if we are that easy at bending over. They want Ryan that badly then pay up. It's fair to say a pick between 10-15. Its non negotiable. Anything over that screw them and it isn't worth our time.

We'll get what we deem as fair or overs in value (I think pick 10-15 is about right) or we'll keep him. Just like Barrass. People say contracts aren't worth anything anymore but they are at the trade table.

 

[Wight Wolf]

Mazel tov

Stop being so phallacious

 

[Obeanie1]

Exactly what I'm thinking.
A pick in the late 20s is a joke for Ryan. Doesn't do anything for our rebuild because the chances of getting a 200 game AFL quality player in the late 20s is very rare these days. Why throw a player that's pure quality in Ryan away for a huge risk on a crappy late 20s pick. All I'm saying is the price needs to be right for us. We need to be smart, not stupid and desperate just because we need to bring in some draft picks.

Most years the top 15 in the draft is where its at. Anything after that is a lotto. Going by history its a 10-20% chance at best of getting a player that will be quality and play 200 games. Most end up being duds.

Anyone that says otherwise needs to go and look at every draft from 2018 or ego even further back if you like and see who got drafted in the 20-30 range.
Most years it only 1 or 2 that make it in that range between 20-30. Most years 8 players in that range don't make it at all.

Ryan for a pick in the 20s isn't what it's cracked up to be. It's time we started rating our players worth more highly. They know it. No wonder why they are after all our players if we are that easy at bending over. They want Ryan that badly then pay up. It's fair to say a pick between 10-15. Its non negotiable. Anything over that screw them and it isn't worth our time.

This draft is deep.

And difficult to assess.

Some recruiters saying best player may end up coming after the 20s it is that difficult to rate. And clubs with different needs or views will rank players very differently.

So in essence if you were going to cut deep and draft late. This is the draft to do it.

Especially with very compromised drafts from now on and Tassie coming in.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I can't say I've watched him for Perth, but for WA I thought he looked a tantalising prospect as he has some elite traits; leap and agility. I also thought his skills looked really good, kicked a few pearlers.

His ability to dance with speed out of heavy traffic was amazing, I'm super keen to watch him next year. I had him top of my list for F/S and NGA prospects, then Banfield then Walley.

Athletically he is gifted and he is a great kid too . But his skills are lacking .

Think how duggan just slams it forward under pressure and that what he does .

Blind snaps and long kicks without looking .

Composure , lowering the eyes , kicking to targets and kicking proper drop punts is what he needs to work on .

I can see over the season he has been working on it. Its an obvious flaw he needs to work on so I assume his coaches at Perth or when he trains with our NGA this will be addressed

 

[mattyc75]

Just hold him. Get a huge preseason into him, get him back playing vintage flyin and then sell him off end of next year for a higher pick.

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Have you seen ryans preseasons? They consist of walking/jogging laps

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[Free Agent]

This draft is deep.

And difficult to assess.

Some recruiters saying best player may end up coming after tge 20s it is that difficult to rate. And clubs with different needs or views will rank players very differently.

So in essence if you were going to cut deep and draft late. This is the draft to do it.

Especially with very compromised drafts from now on and Tassie coming in.

History tells us otherwise with later picks. I've heard that chestnut a few times over the years. We should be trying to get multiple picks in the top 15.

If we come out with 3 or 4 picks in the top 15 we have done extremely well.

I'm not sure on the order with academy picks but roughly something like this.
Split pick 2 for pick 5&12
Barrass for pick 10 and 21

On trade pick 21 and our 2nd rnd pick for pick 13

Ryan for pick 11. We could throw in a late 3rd if we think its worth it.

Come out with pick 5,10,11,12

 

[TY24]

Missing out on English is nothing to be upset about. He'd be an improvement around the ground but ruck wise, he's no better than BWilliams. Certainly isn't worth the money he'd be asking for.

 

[stallon]

Well if we miss English its not a huge deal.
Hopefully we can get Flynns injuries sorted for next year, and hopefully Barnett comes on big time next year. 3rd year ruck needs to be playing reasonably well in the WAFL.

Might need to start looking elsewhere for a young ruckman or at least a better medium term solution

 

[The Dodger]

First I've heard of this Moyle fella, what's his tip work like? We need someone that slices through the opposition and throws the schmucks to the side.

I heard he became a kosher butcher.

 

[eaglevision]

A little bit of info on the Barrass situation from a source I trust, feel free to attach whatever weight you wish to the following:

Both Barrass and Eagles are happy to deal with any VIC club, preferably one with finals on the radar.

Hawks and Eagles are well down the road in discussions. Hawks have agreed a potential trade would include their 1R pick and have also (short of going 0-3 and finishing 13th) offered their F2. Eagles have asked for a player of value instead of the F2 (i.e. NOT DGB).

 

[ziad]

If someone doesn't acknowledge my Moyle jokes I'm deleting my account Dark Shark's style.

AKA not at all.

Just cut and run.

 

[pantskyle]

A little bit of info on the Barrass situation from a source I trust, feel free to attach whatever weight you wish to the following:

Both Barrass and Eagles are happy to deal with any VIC club, preferably one with finals on the radar.

Hawks and Eagles are well down the road in discussions. Hawks have agreed a potential trade would include their 1R pick and have also (short of going 0-3 and finishing 13th) offered their F2. Eagles have asked for a player of value instead of the F2 (i.e. NOT DGB).

Not sure they'd have anyone worthwhile that's valued the same as a f2.

 

[ziad]

Not sure they'd have anyone worthwhile that's valued the same as a f2.

we would take better than!

 

[mattyc75]

A little bit of info on the Barrass situation from a source I trust, feel free to attach whatever weight you wish to the following:

Both Barrass and Eagles are happy to deal with any VIC club, preferably one with finals on the radar.

Hawks and Eagles are well down the road in discussions. Hawks have agreed a potential trade would include their 1R pick and have also (short of going 0-3 and finishing 13th) offered their F2. Eagles have asked for a player of value instead of the F2 (i.e. NOT DGB).

I'd take the future 2nd

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[ronpingwins]

I suspect we’re asking about Ward/Mackenzie. They won’t give them up, will probably settle for the F2

 

[new breed]

Ward would be a possible player for the Eagles .

 

[Keys]

Their F2 is likely going to be high 20’s/low 30’s so isn’t all that attractive. Would rather the Collingwood R2 this year they hold

Ward is a good option but doubt they’d be willing to let him go and we’d have to convince him to move across which would be a hard sell

Not sure there’s anyone else on their list they’d be willing to part with

Alternatively swap their F1 for our F2