List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

  Age

  25

  Ht

  176cm

  Wt

  77kg

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  12.3

  3star

  K

  6.9

  3star

  HB

  5.4

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  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  2.9

  4star

  CL

  1.4

  4star

  D

  12.7

  3star

  K

  9.2

  4star

  HB

  3.5

  2star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  2.7

  4star

  CL

  1.8

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  D

  9.2

  3star

  K

  4.6

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  HB

  4.6

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  M

  2.0

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  T

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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[Footfalcon]

Slightly different topic, but man what I would give up to have a Lewis Jetta kicking the ball out of the backline.

Found myself watching his 2018 highlights and his kicking and skills in general were god-level.

Wouldn't mind him as a skills coach If he's up for it.

One name, wanganeen milera

 

[random260]

From the sounds of it he wants to stay in melbourne or at least on the east coast

How can we trust its from trac camp and not melb football club hit pieces camp?

He nearly died anywhere away from the place that nearly killed him and caused him and wife trauma is logical.

Also does he want to stay in melb fish bowl after that trauma. It's a circus and will stay a circus if he stay in melb or goes to vic club

 

[THE A5]

I reckon Hawks smash the Dogs then knock the Power out in straight sets.

It may not be Pick 12.

Pick 12 for Barrass
Baker for Pick 12
Ken Oath to Eagles
Lathlain burnt to a crisp

 

[Bacchus]

Exactly this. I mean, there's a few I'd like from Hawthorn but they aren't coming back the other way for Barrass unless we do something silly like throw in our pick 3 and/or 23 as well.

We don’t need to throw anything in.

Contracted player attempting to break his contract and leave.

It’s the suitors who need to pay.

 

[TY24]

Pick 12 for Barrass
Baker for Pick 12
Ken Oath to Eagles
Lathlain burnt to a crisp

 

[stallon]

How can we trust its from trac camp and not melb football club hit pieces camp?

He nearly died anywhere away from the place that nearly killed him and caused him and wife trauma is logical.

Also does he want to stay in melb fish bowl after that trauma. It's a circus and will stay a circus if he stay in melb or goes to vic club

I think theyre reporting he wants to go to a big vic club for his brand or whatever, but any club on the east coast would probably do the job for him. Main priority is to get out of Melbourne Demons

 

[Bacchus]

Or Hawks slide ala Freo after 22 and along with injuries and finish 10th

Eagles new coach sees us win 8 games and finish 14th

12 and 9 for Barrass and 23

That’s getting closer to fair value.

If they don’t think he’s any good they’re not paying $1 mill per year for four years.

 

[eaglevision]

I've heard switkowski might be leaving Freo.

179 forward.

Liam Ryan for 27?

On Pixel 6 Pro using BigFooty.com mobile app

Pay some wage and add Knobel

 

[random260]

I think theyre reporting he wants to go to a big vic club for his brand or whatever, but any club on the east coast would probably do the job for him. Main priority is to get out of Melbourne Demons

Good point

My only question is will it get to the point where the circus is too much and he needs to escape melb fishbowl. Heading to rival melb club will just cause the circus to follow

 

[Bacchus]

• Barrass and F2 to Hawthorn for 12ish and their F1.
• 23 for Baker.
• Sign Graham to enough of a deal to get Richmond a second round compo, which in reality is a little bonus for the Baker deal. You wanted a mid first, here’s two early seconds instead.

Leaves us with no second rounders this or next year, but in our hand is 3, 12ish, our F1, Hawks F1, Baker, Graham.

ezpz.

Hawks F1 for our F2 is not a good deal.

The probability is that they are very close together so we are gaining little.

 

[stallon]

Good point

My only question is will it get to the point where the circus is too much and he needs to escape melb fishbowl. Heading to rival melb club will just cause a circus.

If it ended up a choice of the Dees or WA, i reckon he would pick WA, but id imagine WA and SA are right at the bottom of his list

 

[Barrybran]

Just spitballing here. Assume worst case scenario re Barrass and Baker. Barrass for 12 + 30, Baker for 12, probably looks more like 12 + 59 for Baker + 39.

Leaves us with 3, 23, 30, 39.

I don't see that happening. Our hand will be better than this.

 

[Bacchus]

But from reading this thread I'm lead to believe our recruitment team are playing checkers.

Yeah, that’s why they don’t know their head from their arse.

 

[random260]

We are not stupid enough to trade TB for a pick. Then using the pick for Baker.

I mean even the stupidest recruters can step back and see trading TB for Baker is dumb.

 

[ArdentEagle]

No Baker, take 2nd rounder to the draft please or spend it on Peatling

 

[robbo 39]

If we went to the draft with 3, 12, 23 and 30. I'll be very happy. 5 first rounders over a 3 year span. Have we ever had that.

 

[stallon]

We are not stupid enough to trade TB for a pick. Then using the pick for Baker.

I mean even the stupidest recruters can step back and see trading TB for Baker is dumb.

It wont happen. Im sure Clarke wants to keep his job for more than just 1 year

 

[Jez1974]

If it ended up a choice of the Dees or WA, i reckon he would pick WA, but id imagine WA and SA are right at the bottom of his list

 

[THE A5]

Baker for 12 is stupider than “selling the farm” for TK. At least with TK we were in our window trying to pinch another flag. I also wonder how motivated a guy like Baker would be also. Two flags under his belt and at 27 won’t likely be there as we look to contend. Yes he brings leadership and experience but that doesn’t worth pick 12

 

[Bacchus]

Where's the incentive for Hawthorn to accept our F3 for their F1? Let's say they slide out of finals and we finish 13th. That would be pick 42 for 13. I would love for that to happen but it's not happening. We would have a significant portion of the upside in any pick swap.

They aren’t sliding out of finals and we aren’t finishing 13th.

Surely the calculation has to be done on probability and not unrealistic hypotheticals.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Hawks F1 for our F2 is not a good deal.

The probability is that they are very close together so we are gaining little.

Even if that’s the case (I strongly, strongly don’t think it is - Hawks won’t make the 8 next year, I’m very confident of a dip once the fixture gets tougher and their role players stop all having career years at once) it’s at minimum a guaranteed pick upgrade with tremendous upside.

It also gets us up a round, which is handy when end of first round compo, start of second round priority picks to North etc continue to be handed out.

Guaranteed pick upgrade (even 19 up to 18) with the upside of much much more. Far better than any steak knives or F2 situation.

 

[Footfalcon]

Pick 12 for Barrass
Baker for Pick 12
Ken Oath to Eagles
Lathlain burnt to a crisp

More like pick 12 for Bolton. Barely want to pay a second rounder for baker

 

[Bacchus]

As West Coast fans we want a kitchen sink for a contracted, proven All Australian level KPD that is still on the right side of 30, going to a club crying out for a missing piece to a premiership push.

However - what do you think Hawthorn would be willing to part with? A quick perusal of their board reveals something a lot closer to a straight 12-ish pick and maybe an F1/F2 swap if needed or throwing in DGB if he is amenable. They balk (rightly) at giving us 12 and F1 straight out.

Just trying to put a different (re: unpopular) perspective around here...

Hawthorn and WC will probably do a deal that satisfies no-one which means it was a good deal.

They are willing to pay the guy $1mill pa and want him for pick 12?

Offering DGB is absurd. He is not even a packet of chips, something more like a dog does behind a tree.

 

[eaglevision]

Just spitballing here. Assume worst case scenario re Barrass and Baker. Barrass for 12 + 30, Baker for 12, probably looks more like 12 + 59 for Baker + 39.

Leaves us with 3, 23, 30, 39.

I don't see that happening. Our hand will be better than this.

Agree that’s how the Barrass trade lands, don’t need to repeat my thoughts on Baker but the trades I hope we’d pursue are:

ADEL: 3 for 4 and 25
HAW: Barrass for 12 and 30
FREO: Ryan and part salary for 27 and Knobel
GCS: 23 + 27 + no Lombard bid for pick 13
MELB: BWilliams, Darling, Petch for 38 and 49
PORT: Barnett for Soldo

Hitting those would land us 4,12,13,25,30,38,49,58 as well as Knobel, Soldo and Soldo’s missus

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Well his misso moved to Dubai and Perth is closer to Dubai!

I just want him so we can see live vision of his mrs