List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[maverick001]

i can see Hawks getting to a prelim but a lot will depend on the draw

Ideally they'd get a Bris, Freo, GWS, away in first week of finals

Looking at remaining fixtures I think WB v Haw in week 1 of finals is a strong chance. Which is a 50-50 game

Looks like the Purps are going to miss. Probably need to win both games, unless Carlton drop either this wk vs us or next wk vs Saints

 

[bzparkes]

In my defence how could anyone have predicted Clayton Oliver sober is unfit and skinny. In saying that a fit clayton Oliver would have served us well.

As for Oscar Allen trade that was if we had to trade one of Oscar/Jake.

And as for Dev well before bringing it up like you owned me wait until he puts on the wce jumper first and plays.

 

[Cuzz09]

With TB leaving would the coaches be thinking replace like for like (as best as possible) or invent a whole new strategy for defence based on small runner types (Ginbey, Hough, HJ, etc)

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[stallon]

I like it but I don’t think Sydney would go for it, depending on how desperate they see the need for an elite full back and how they value that need versus losing an elite young mid.

I dont think they go for it either. I also think trading for Warner this year would be irresponsible list management unless we got a bargain

Are we sure we will get that value elsewhere in a TB trade? I feel like that pick 10 mark might be all we get. In which case maybe meeting in the middle at pick 11 + TB (if valued at pick 10) might be more realistic. Then we hold pick 7 for a good mid.

I would not be happy with pick 10ish alone for TB. If he was out of contract then pick 10 is abvout right, but they have to pay overs here

My hope was that a guy like Langford might be available in the 7-10 range if we split but he is now being talked up as a top 3 bolter.

I hope so too, I like him

 

[HoneyBadger35]

With TB leaving would the coaches be thinking replace like for like (as best as possible) or invent a whole new strategy for defence based on small runner types (Ginbey, Hough, HJ, etc)

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Ginbey and Hough are listed at 191cm.

Going through the Coleman table:
Hogan - 196cm
Curnow - 194cm
King - 202cm
Waterman - 192cm
McKay - 200cm
Cameron - 196cm
Larkey - 198cm (useless sack of crap but tall)

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to build around The Boy and Hough, philosophically, but at the end of the day you need proper KPD size at your disposal too to make sure you don’t get burned.

Plug in Harry Edwards in the medium term and try to uncover another true KPD sized player for when Gov finished up.

 

[Goomba1973]

Should’ve already started but will be very hard to get it done. His offers to stay home will be through the roof

Now that it appears that English is off the table , not official yet but looking very likely he is staying with the dogs...... we can table to DeKoning what we were going to offer English?

 

[Goomba1973]

I’d be incredibly happy with any of Draper, Smillie, Smith or FOS.

Please don’t split the pick WC.

We would be insane to split our pick 3 with it looking very likely Barrass leaving and giving us at least pick 11 and probably a late first rounder. Pick 3, 11 and say 17 would be brilliant. I'd consider swapping with Adelaide for their pick 4 and and a pick 28 but only if we get the Barrass deal done. So going in with Pick 4, 11,17 23 and 28 would be a very tidy 1st round for us.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Pretty sure I could add another 6 or 7 to that list.
Anyway, thanks for allowing me to intrude.

Can i give you 5 or 6 2002 Hyundai excels for a 2024 lamborghini?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Essendon have players to trade, [Parish, Hobbs, Tsatis, Perkins, Cox, Throw in Hepps and Laverde for free].
We need a Reid like player, how would that sit with WC posters.
PS. Could probably throw in our coach, good assistant for your present coach next year.

So long as you throw in your secret peptide formula, that sounds like a great trade

 

[stallon]

With TB leaving would the coaches be thinking replace like for like (as best as possible) or invent a whole new strategy for defence based on small runner types (Ginbey, Hough, HJ, etc)

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We still need a couple of taller guys to handle the big KPFs. Ginbey and Hough arent big enough to handle them.

I dont think there is that much scope to change our backline for next year too much. Itll be more or less the same players

 

[MeltMan]

We would be insane to split our pick 3 with it looking very likely Barrass leaving and giving us at least pick 11 and probably a late first rounder. Pick 3, 11 and say 17 would be brilliant. I'd consider swapping with Adelaide for their pick 4 and and a pick 28 but only if we get the Barrass deal done. So going in with Pick 4, 11,17 23 and 28 would be a very tidy 1st round for us.

Who do they want that bad that they swap 3 for 4 and give us 28?

 

[Goomba1973]

Who do they want that bad that they swap 3 for 4 and give us 28?

Adelaide are very very keen on Draper with him being as good as he is and being a local lad.

 

[Patron]

So this is the beauty of this year's draft in that you should be able to get what you want where your picks lie. A reach of 5 to 10 in some parts of the draft is pretty irrelevant.

Let's look at the clubs Tom Barrass might land at and what might be the currency paid.

1. Hawks are 8th and have 2 very winnable games meaning they could land as high as 5th. I would expect a F2 or the Pies R2 this year is the sweetener. That is pick 14 and a late 20's. Pick 14 feels too late for Travaglia but too soon for Oliver while either our R2 or the Pies R2 would be spot on for Davis

2. Dogs are 7th and should beat Norf this week but then face GWS at Ballarat. Lose that and they could finish 9th. There could be an English compo pick after that (say pick 11) and they are likely to get the Geelong pick for Smith at say 17. We aren't getting both. If it is Garcia and 17, we can afford to go Oliver at 17.

3. If Swans are runner up again, they might decide Tom and their R1 and Norf PP 19. They probably end up at say 18 and 20. Take both and give them something back and we have choices.

Not saying these are the deals, but we should get something decent for Tom and it could be 2 picks this year or spread over 2 years. Either way, we can take a Travaglia if he is there or an Oliver if it is a bit later or a Davis at our R2 or Pies R2 if in play.

This is not the year I want to spend a load of currency moving up.

I am also reducing my "really want" tag on Travaglia now that Ginbey has blossomed as a HBF and is showing he can break the lines in that role (as I believe can Hough). With that in mind, I happily go say Drape or FOS at 3 and Lalor/Lindsay/Murphy/Gross/Allan etc at the Tom trade in pick.

I have on my board a massive number of talls at the later teens and early 20's. We are set for talls so we might do well in dropping back on draft night and extracting from clubs wanting a tall.

If we do trade barrass, I reckon we will be keen to get another KPD on the list in that 20-30 range.

Gov is almost gone, which just leaves a mid player in edwards to carry both positions.

I reckon given Barnetts lack of development if we don’t get English we will be interested in a ruck project too.


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[Quinz]

What I am, chopped liver fellas?

 

[Patron]

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What I am, chopped liver fellas?

Mmm. He’s still developing, is seeming injury prone, but has put on a stack of size this season. Might be a solution, but him and maric have always projected more as 3rd talls for me.

Our perceived need for KPD will depend on where the club plans to play maric and more importantly Reid going forward. If we trade barrass and move Reid back we won’t be in too bad a position.


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[amazingjoshy]

Reckon it'll be Hawks 1st, F1 and one of DGB/Serong for Barrass and our F2

Our list management can say we got 2 1sts and a promising young replacement. They can say they gave up a mid teens pick, a minor pick swap and a guy they were delisting anyway

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I don't see it that way at all.

From this article:

Factor that could push prized Eagle out of the nest

Hawks, Dogs loom trade favourites

www.nine.com.au

"By the end of 2022 Barrass was not only a premiership player, but also a newly minted best and fairest. He knew what the Swans were prepared to offer if he decided to defect.

With that number in mind, Barrass sat down with senior West Coast officials to talk about his contract, against advice from his agent.

He didn't ask for the Eagles to match Sydney's number, but believed the club should restructure his deal to reflect his true value to the team.

To his delight, West Coast officials agreed. There was a verbal understanding that in time, he would receive a pay bump. Any prospect of joining Sydney ended there and then.

This salary increase arrived only in the last few months. Disappointingly for Barrass, it was so minor that it left the 2018 premiership player believing he is being pushed out in favour of multiple high end draft picks."


To be honest I'm kind of ok with the whole situation tbh, aside from maybe us making a verbal promise we didn't keep (don't love that). Reads to me as he came to us discussing his market value (and was happy to cop lower than Sydney's), we've realised it's a bigger priority for our list to gain some picks and let him go, he's read the writing on the wall and has opened himself up to a move. Better for all parties - I think if it really was a terrible outcome for us, most on here would be more outraged he was leaving (everyone seems pretty at peace with it being good for us). That's just footy these days and I'm glad we're not overblowing loyalty like we have in the past with extending contracts a year or so past when they should have been.

See i don't get the whole market value position . If barrass had a career ending injury would he take a massive pay cut ?

I doubt it .

It also doesn't say that after that horrible back injury sustained from jack reiwaldt tunnelling him Sydney all but pulled out of that trade which is my understanding of the timeline

 

[xLeCrAs2x]

How terribly flawed is the system when spud McKay got north pick 3 yet one of the best defenders in the league in Barrass won’t get anywhere near that

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Ginbey and Hough are listed at 191cm.

Going through the Coleman table:
Hogan - 196cm
Curnow - 194cm
King - 202cm
Waterman - 192cm
McKay - 200cm
Cameron - 196cm
Larkey - 198cm (useless sack of crap but tall)

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to build around The Boy and Hough, philosophically, but at the end of the day you need proper KPD size at your disposal too to make sure you don’t get burned.

Plug in Harry Edwards in the medium term and try to uncover another true KPD sized player for when Gov finished up.

We have gov and Harry Edwards replaces barrass .

Jamo 201cms has 1 year on the list to try make it as a KPD

Bazzo 195cms looks to have put some size on as has shown he has talent as both a defender and ball user

Maric 196cms is one of the best kicks at the club but is 19 and still slight of frame but a move back to utilise his kicking in a third tall role is a no brainer for me .

Draft Kayle Gerryne from west Perth. 199cm powerful athlete with the burst of pace you need as a key back and terrific over head mark

 

[DorothyG]

Sad to see him go but exciting to bring in another first round pick

Hope we can somehow snag Murphy Reid

Haha more Reids, draft all the Reids!!

 

[Obeanie1]

Ginbey and Hough are listed at 191cm.

Going through the Coleman table:
Hogan - 196cm
Curnow - 194cm
King - 202cm
Waterman - 192cm
McKay - 200cm
Cameron - 196cm
Larkey - 198cm (useless sack of crap but tall)

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to build around The Boy and Hough, philosophically, but at the end of the day you need proper KPD size at your disposal too to make sure you don’t get burned.

Plug in Harry Edwards in the medium term and try to uncover another true KPD sized player for when Gov finished up.

Ginbey is 194cm Ive read.

Hough also taller and getting close to Schofield.

Ginbey bigger.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

How terribly flawed is the system when spud McKay got north pick 3 yet one of the best defenders in the league in Barrass won’t get anywhere near that

3 months ago I was in the “priority pick” thread saying we completely missed a beat by jumping at shadows and re-signing TB beyond free agency.

He would have given us pick 3 in 2022, the fact we now have to settle for pick 11-13 + sweeteners is a reflection on our list management.

It has very little to do with FA. We had the exact same opportunity North did.

Roos played their hand well with Mackay, we fumbled the bag - multiple times- with TB.

 

[Wight Wolf]

Ginbey is 194cm Ive read.

Hough also taller and getting close to Schofield.

Ginbey bigger.

Standing next to Ginbey, he wasnt 194cm IMO.

 

[Wight Wolf]

Barrass is worth a top 5 pick. Anything less keep him. Hawks 1st and future 1st will not satisfy.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Id target Jiath in any deal. He is the type of player we need I think as the third tall defender who isnt Rotham/Edwards out of position/a potato. Just give him more money and the role he wants.

1st rounder + Jiath for Barass is okay with me