List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[Wight Wolf]

Go stand next to Mcgovern and tell us how tall he is?

He is damn tall. Close to 2m i reckon when i saw him last year.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Need to replace one fumbly forward in Cripps with another in Rosas?

Need to keep Freo’s mids nervous with Gaff retiring, and Rosas is a scumbag.

 

[garlic munchers]

Same as Fremantle got for Lachie Schulz - you’ve got to be joking.

Old Collingwood coming of the Premiership thought they were getting a missing upgrade to stay in the hunt v youngish Hawks borderline 8 for the first time in years.......

Same, yeah, nup.

 

[maverick001]

Would we consider Hawks first and Cam McKenzie for Barrass?

I know we were into him during his draft year. 20yo and seems to be slightly on the outer with there mids.

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We’d more than consider it, we’d bite their arm off

But hawks would never do that deal, rightly so. They wouldn’t even straight swap McKenzie for Barrass.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

I'd definitely ask for Ward.
I would also pick up Grainger-Barrass as a desisted free agent on the rookie list for one year. That is if we have the space.
Can't hurt to see if a change of environment can give him the kick up the arse he needs

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

How tempting would it be to go for a major reset at Punt Road?

Firstly, Tigers already prepared themselves for this draft last year in keeping their full draft hand while collecting Freo's R2 and R3, our R3 and Pies and Port's R4

By offloading Bolton Baker and Rioli plus say pick 22 or 40 as FA compo for Graham (band 3 or 4), they could have access to:

Their current hand of (later ones not exact but indicative) 1 21 30 39 41 50 57 63 and 68

Suns picks 9 13 (Dogs) and 20 for Rioli and a heap of points for Lombard (note Tigers could pay a chunk of salary if they really want all 3 R1 picks)

Freos picks 7 10 15 for Baker Bolton and some future or later picks returned

The Rioli deal could well include Tigers paying back later picks to Freo and or Suns. They might even sweeten it with a F2 or F3.

Not saying they do it but they could end up with 1 7 9 10 13 15 20 21 22. It will be some short term pain at Tigerland but with this hand and this draft, they would be licking their lips.

Suns would be able to take their 2 x R2 picks to the draft and sell off for future picks and use their late picks along with Tiger picks for Lombard.

I think with Lukosius noise, the Suns will be able to get another R1 in 2025.

 

[garlic munchers]

Barrass is worth a top 10 pick and if Hawthorn were 12th and holding pick 7 instead of surging into finals, nobody would be questioning they should hand over that pick for Barrass. Possibly with some steak knives

As it stands, Hawthorn likely make finals and in their current form it wouldn’t be a surprise if they won at least one final. So that’s a 6th placed finish (or better) and pick 13.

And whilst there’s no guarantees, they’d be well placed to do as well or better next year so two firsts from Hawthorn is a couple of mid teens picks.

What would be better, pick 7 or two picks in the teens. I’d argue many would take pick 7

So two R1 picks for Barrass isn’t silly, especially when you factor in he’s contracted and we expose ourselves to significant risk in the short term by trading him out

It’s incumbent upon Hawthorn to satisfy us, not the other way round

Just stating I don't think Hawks will be prepared to give up 2 1st rounders for TB (i.e. they won't satisfy us).

And without going all aggressive, seems a lot of posters forget that “worth” of things is determined by supply and demand - the “worth” is how much another club is willing to pay for that player.

What a club values a player at is a different concept.

Bit like me valuing my house for $2m, but no-one will pay me more than $1.5m.............. it ain't "worth" $2m but I value it at that.

Jeremy Cameron & 2 x 2nd rounders was "worth" Picks 13, 15, 20 and a future fourth rounder because that what 2 parties would agree on.

 

[chaddy22]

It’s almost like hindsight is 20/20.

in 2020

 

[BeeTee]

How tempting would it be to go for a major reset at Punt Road?

Firstly, Tigers already prepared themselves for this draft last year in keeping their full draft hand while collecting Freo's R2 and R3, our R3 and Pies and Port's R4

By offloading Bolton Baker and Rioli plus say pick 22 or 40 as FA compo for Graham (band 3 or 4), they could have access to:

Their current hand of (later ones not exact but indicative) 1 21 30 39 41 50 57 63 and 68

Suns picks 9 13 (Dogs) and 20 for Rioli and a heap of points for Lombard (note Tigers could pay a chunk of salary if they really want all 3 R1 picks)

Freos picks 7 10 15 for Baker Bolton and some future or later picks returned

The Rioli deal could well include Tigers paying back later picks to Freo and or Suns. They might even sweeten it with a F2 or F3.

Not saying they do it but they could end up with 1 7 9 10 13 15 20 21 22. It will be some short term pain at Tigerland but with this hand and this draft, they would be licking their lips.

Suns would be able to take their 2 x R2 picks to the draft and sell off for future picks and use their late picks along with Tiger picks for Lombard.

I think with Lukosius noise, the Suns will be able to get another R1 in 2025.

Is this years draft that good?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Is this years draft that good?

My assessment is that this year's draft lacks the really top end but delivers in spades later. So with where those picks are, yes, I would be going for a major reset at Tigerland

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Not saying they do it but they could end up with 1 7 9 10 13 15 20 21 22. It will be some short term pain at Tigerland but with this hand and this draft, they would be licking their lips.

Surely they'd want to spread that across multiple drafts?

 

[bzparkes]

Surely they'd want to spread that across multiple drafts?

Next year is heavily compromised and then not long after that Tassie enters the fray.

This is the best draft to do it.

They may also trade for young players with some of those picks also.

 

[TY24]

Flynn and Barnett who are the list cloggers

You're willing to make that call after less than 5 AFL games between them?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Surely they'd want to spread that across multiple drafts?

Did you read the post? I wrote "Not saying they do it" but that they have the hand to do it. In other words, they have choices. They would need to consider whether they could develop that many. For a club that will finish bottom, they are in a strong position. With options comes power.

If it was up to me, I would happily turn 2 of the mid to later picks into future R1 picks. Lions will be sellers as they will need points for Ashcroft and Marshall.

I am hearing a discount being given on 2025 picks for clubs wanting to get back into 2024. Said differently, it will cost a premium to get back into 2024

 

[THE A5]

Need to keep Freo’s mids nervous with Gaff retiring, and Rosas is a scumbag.

What did he do?

 

[HoneyBadger35]

What did he do?

Suspended this year for an ball headbutt and also this

 

[Wooshaaaa]

How tempting would it be to go for a major reset at Punt Road?

Firstly, Tigers already prepared themselves for this draft last year in keeping their full draft hand while collecting Freo's R2 and R3, our R3 and Pies and Port's R4

By offloading Bolton Baker and Rioli plus say pick 22 or 40 as FA compo for Graham (band 3 or 4), they could have access to:

Their current hand of (later ones not exact but indicative) 1 21 30 39 41 50 57 63 and 68

Suns picks 9 13 (Dogs) and 20 for Rioli and a heap of points for Lombard (note Tigers could pay a chunk of salary if they really want all 3 R1 picks)

Freos picks 7 10 15 for Baker Bolton and some future or later picks returned

The Rioli deal could well include Tigers paying back later picks to Freo and or Suns. They might even sweeten it with a F2 or F3.

Not saying they do it but they could end up with 1 7 9 10 13 15 20 21 22. It will be some short term pain at Tigerland but with this hand and this draft, they would be licking their lips.

Suns would be able to take their 2 x R2 picks to the draft and sell off for future picks and use their late picks along with Tiger picks for Lombard.

I think with Lukosius noise, the Suns will be able to get another R1 in 2025.

What we should've done at the end of 2021.!!!

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[Ambrose Burnside]

What we should've done at the end of 2021.!!!

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Assuming the draft went exactly the same, having 1 7 9 10 13 15 20 21 22 would have meant missing out on Chesser.

**** that. The darkest timeline.

 

[mulehoops]

It’s incumbent upon Hawthorn to satisfy us, not the other way round

I'm a little confused with this narrative. Isn't the club "pushing" TB to sign with another club so we can cash in on the draft? If so whilst I personally would be happy to, surely we can't be too strong handed with our list of demands, when the trade is being done to benefit both parties?

 

[woosha24]

Need to keep Freo’s mids nervous with Gaff retiring, and Rosas is a scumbag.

I like him because we once had a midfielder called "Rosa" and he was pretty alright so this one must be too because the names are similar.

Vote #1 Woosha24 for head of list management.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

How tempting would it be to go for a major reset at Punt Road?

Firstly, Tigers already prepared themselves for this draft last year in keeping their full draft hand while collecting Freo's R2 and R3, our R3 and Pies and Port's R4

By offloading Bolton Baker and Rioli plus say pick 22 or 40 as FA compo for Graham (band 3 or 4), they could have access to:

Their current hand of (later ones not exact but indicative) 1 21 30 39 41 50 57 63 and 68

Suns picks 9 13 (Dogs) and 20 for Rioli and a heap of points for Lombard (note Tigers could pay a chunk of salary if they really want all 3 R1 picks)

Freos picks 7 10 15 for Baker Bolton and some future or later picks returned

The Rioli deal could well include Tigers paying back later picks to Freo and or Suns. They might even sweeten it with a F2 or F3.

Not saying they do it but they could end up with 1 7 9 10 13 15 20 21 22. It will be some short term pain at Tigerland but with this hand and this draft, they would be licking their lips.

Suns would be able to take their 2 x R2 picks to the draft and sell off for future picks and use their late picks along with Tiger picks for Lombard.

I think with Lukosius noise, the Suns will be able to get another R1 in 2025.

Any team that goes full rebuild like the one proposed is taking a massive risk. If they missed on a number of those picks they are in a world of hurt with a lack of senior players having ripped out the guts of their 24-27 age group in Bolton, Baker, Graham, and Rioli, with a bunch of senior players hitting retirement/injured out age (Martin, Grimes, Picket, Prestia, McIntosh, Lynch (4 games only this season and last)).

If they miss on the draft hand they'd be destroyed with Tassie coming in and taking the draft apart.

 

[WCE_phil]

Just a little share of what I can.

Tom Barrass

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Tom Barrass

Age

28

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197cm

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96kg

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12.2

3star

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8.8

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3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

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2.1

2star

M

5.6

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T

0.3

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MG

139.6

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11.4

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7.2

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5.2

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0.4

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160.0

3star

isn't one of the 'boys' if you will.

He's also very close to genius level IQ, knows it and no matter whom or someone's experiences, thinks he's the smartest person in the room.

Barrass overrode his manager's advice to sign the contract he did when he did.

WCE are 100% not shopping him and never have. But also haven't offered an extension to his current contract. He has been offered a minor pay increase. (TBH I think this is more Clarke trying to show the youngsters we will be reasonable but not held over a barrel)

4 clubs actively chasing him hard. Offers have gotten different and higher as the season has progressed.

Brother and Sister have and or are in the process of moving to Melbourne.

 

[Keys]

Just stating I don't think Hawks will be prepared to give up 2 1st rounders for TB (i.e. they won't satisfy us).

And without going all aggressive, seems a lot of posters forget that “worth” of things is determined by supply and demand - the “worth” is how much another club is willing to pay for that player.

What a club values a player at is a different concept.

Bit like me valuing my house for $2m, but no-one will pay me more than $1.5m.............. it ain't "worth" $2m but I value it at that.

Jeremy Cameron & 2 x 2nd rounders was "worth" Picks 13, 15, 20 and a future fourth rounder because that what 2 parties would agree on.

That’s all fair.

As you say we can’t sell Barrass for what the club might want if Hawthorn don’t offer it. In which case we retain Barrass

It largely hinges on how keen Hawthorn are to get TB across. The fact that Mitchell flew over here expressly to meet with Barrass and reports they’re offering him an unconditional 5 year contract would suggest they’re very keen

It’s a lot of leg work put in to convince a player to leave his home state only to baulk at the asking price once the hard work has been done.

I know it’s a sticking point on this board that we overpay to trade players in but that also means prospective trade targets know if they commit to us, we’ll get the deal done

Asking Hawthorn to pony up two R1 picks in the mid teens is reasonable in this instance. Contracted players require a premium which is why Collingwood over paid for Schultz last year for example albeit at the time they wouldn’t have thought they’d be coughing up a top 10 pick

 

[mat11]

You're willing to make that call after less than 5 AFL games between them?

Yes, I think Bailey is better than both. No I don't think he's the answer he's handy depth, we need to find that number 1 ruck this off-season

 

[Obeanie1]

I'm a little confused with this narrative. Isn't the club "pushing" TB to sign with another club so we can cash in on the draft? If so whilst I personally would be happy to, surely we can't be too strong handed with our list of demands, when the trade is being done to benefit both parties?

He isn't being pushed out.

So much as tempted by higher and longer offers from other clubs.

And you summed it up in the last bit.

Benefit BOTH parties.