Review Dees v the Orcs - the Good, the Bad & the Fugly

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A11dAtP0w3R said:
Ive had some death's to deal with if thats alright with you, schmutt?

Pop in every now and then but life has been pretty hectic of late.
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Sorry to hear that mate. Commiserations
 
Toump Ass said:
Good
Jeffy rubbing Stratton's nose in it
Great to come back from 6 goals down, that was fun :)
Frost's best game, Viney warming up.
Third quarter was exceptional football- can't wait to see that on the reg

Bad
Selections are baffling. JKH has now reached a dozen solid quarters of nothing football. Kent & Brayshaw back please.
Jones' disposal was interesting in the first
Our forward entries aren't wondrous
Shit start
Overposessing

He put Trac in the middle and Hunt in the foward line after the first half. Not sure the Game Plan was our problem this week, skills and intent were shit during the first quarter

We're an equal opportunity club, we're giving all the spuds a go :)
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Thats not the changes I'm talking about, that was after HT, I'm talking about when sides are kicking 7 goals in a qtr and nothing changes, we would be the only side in afl that would concede 4 goals in a row and not put a couple behind the ball for 10 minutes to steady, only have 1 game!
 

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Good
- Viney. Where tf has that been?
- Frost. I've always been a fan, but he's gone to another level and its brilliant
- Hunt. Now playing forward, is there anything this kid can't do?
- 3rd Qrt. Great to get such a big response, and seeing some magnets spin and get results from it. As soon as we see that for 2, 3 or dare i say 4 qrt, we'll beat anyone. I feel like it could be something we start to put together later in the season, but more likely into next season.

Bad
- Just another really poor 1st qrt. I don't know what it is, but it needs to be fixed. If we can put in a first qrt like our 3rd, a lot of teams won't come back from it.
- Handballing. I get the idea, and when it works, there is no issue, but there is just too big and emphasis on it. That being said, credit to Hawthorn who forced a lot of it with their pressure, its likely that one way or another the ball was being turned over, it'd just hurt us a bit less if it was 50m down the field had we of kicked it.
- JKH. It's pretty much all been said, but he's had his go, surely that is enough time now to see what we all saw after his first game. 3 games for 0 goals, and 8 tackles (7,1,0) 1 tackle in 2 weeks and he's in for his forward pressure?
- Vince. The games has gone screaming past him. He continually costs us goals with his poor disposal, poor decision making and poor discipline. I suspect he'll stay in the side for now, but he just makes me angry every game with the same crap.
- The umpiring love fest for Roughy. He's a likable bloke, and the fact that he's playing is an incredible story, but **** me he got a good run with the whistle. His first two goals were from marks that he blatantly pushed Frost in the back for (also one earlier not in goal scoring position), and the free kick against TMac would happen 30 times a game without a whistle.
- Lack of luck. Honestly, why do we always get the side with something to prove? Hawthorn have been very ordinary for large parts of the season, but a team with that many premiership players, they're not going to cop the smashing they got last week (on field and in the media) lying down. We didn't play the same Hawthorn that St Kilda played the week before, make no mistake about that. They had 44 tackles last week, and 83 yesterday. No doubt we've only got ourselves to blame when it's all said any done, but like that ball that looked sure to bounce straight into Watts' hands inside 50 in the last, only to bounce the other way to Gibson, rarely does it ever seem to go our way. Much like having to face Adelaide this week, really/
 
TheCount said:
Good
- Viney. Where tf has that been?
- Frost. I've always been a fan, but he's gone to another level and its brilliant
- Hunt. Now playing forward, is there anything this kid can't do?
- 3rd Qrt. Great to get such a big response, and seeing some magnets spin and get results from it. As soon as we see that for 2, 3 or dare i say 4 qrt, we'll beat anyone. I feel like it could be something we start to put together later in the season, but more likely into next season.

Bad
- Just another really poor 1st qrt. I don't know what it is, but it needs to be fixed. If we can put in a first qrt like our 3rd, a lot of teams won't come back from it.
- Handballing. I get the idea, and when it works, there is no issue, but there is just too big and emphasis on it. That being said, credit to Hawthorn who forced a lot of it with their pressure, its likely that one way or another the ball was being turned over, it'd just hurt us a bit less if it was 50m down the field had we of kicked it.
- JKH. It's pretty much all been said, but he's had his go, surely that is enough time now to see what we all saw after his first game. 3 games for 0 goals, and 8 tackles (7,1,0) 1 tackle in 2 weeks and he's in for his forward pressure?
- Vince. The games has gone screaming past him. He continually costs us goals with his poor disposal, poor decision making and poor discipline. I suspect he'll stay in the side for now, but he just makes me angry every game with the same crap.
- The umpiring love fest for Roughy. He's a likable bloke, and the fact that he's playing is an incredible story, but **** me he got a good run with the whistle. His first two goals were from marks that he blatantly pushed Frost in the back for (also one earlier not in goal scoring position), and the free kick against TMac would happen 30 times a game without a whistle.
- Lack of luck. Honestly, why do we always get the side with something to prove? Hawthorn have been very ordinary for large parts of the season, but a team with that many premiership players, they're not going to cop the smashing they got last week (on field and in the media) lying down. We didn't play the same Hawthorn that St Kilda played the week before, make no mistake about that. They had 44 tackles last week, and 83 yesterday. No doubt we've only got ourselves to blame when it's all said any done, but like that ball that looked sure to bounce straight into Watts' hands inside 50 in the last, only to bounce the other way to Gibson, rarely does it ever seem to go our way. Much like having to face Adelaide this week, really/
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Great assessment mate, best I've read re this game.
I wasn't sure whether or not to say anything about Roughy but I felt the same way.
And agree we played a very different Hawthorn to the one that played St Kilda.
It was a matter of time before the proud blokes at that club stood up and with the bashing they copped in the media and maybe the added motivation of wanting to show they still go ok without Lewis, I'm not surprised it was us.
 
schmuttt said:
I don't really cop the luck thing. Teams would see us as a chance to reverse form because we are mentally weak.
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Fair point ... there is little evidence to suggest the contrary isn't there.

As I said, I'm not using it as the reason we lost, as there were plenty of other factors. But lets just say it'll be nice in 2 weeks time when we're playing Gold Coast in Alice with them still suffering respiratory issues from China, haha
 
One thing that stuck with me that Roos banged on about was the players taking ownership of things , for me that was also on the ground during matches.
It seems to me that when the other team gets a run-on ,we appear to need instruction from the box, rather than the players reacting to whats going on.
I imagine that getting Lewis was supposed to help in that area but so far it is not working as well as it could. Still think its our decision making under pressure that is an issue that needs to be sorted , and that is leading into the other issues we have , like going handball crazy, or missing a target , or expecting Hogan to mind-read where the ball might end up , or all the defence flying in a pack and missing everything.
All things considered ,while we aren't where i had hoped we'd be after 7 rounds , i would much rather these issues are exposed now than week 1 of the finals. ( Even if its looking a lot harder making the finals than we had hoped.)
 
ballsdeep said:
Goodwin isn't going last long IMO, has so far showed zero ability to change or alter game plan to stop momentum...,
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Has literally done exactly this, quite effectively, three times (or more) this year, including the last two weeks.
 
stretcharmstrong said:
Has literally done exactly this, quite effectively, three times (or more) this year, including the last two weeks.
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Has definitely changed things around the last two weeks after halftime. However, you could argue it is his gameplan and inability to get the players up at the start of games that forced him to change things around.

He still has the toughest gig in footy. The club is so mentally weak. You could put Franklin, Ablett, Fyfe, Martin, Bontempelli, Betts, Rance, Dangerfield in our jumper and we'd still find a way to lose.
 
Crusty Demon said:
Has definitely changed things around the last two weeks after halftime. However, you could argue it is his gameplan and inability to get the players up at the start of games that forced him to change things around.

He still has the toughest gig in footy. The club is so mentally weak. You could put Franklin, Ablett, Fyfe, Martin, Bontempelli, Betts, Rance, Dangerfield in our jumper and we'd still find a way to lose.
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If only
 
Crusty Demon said:
Has definitely changed things around the last two weeks after halftime. However, you could argue it is his gameplan and inability to get the players up at the start of games that forced him to change things around.

He still has the toughest gig in footy. The club is so mentally weak. You could put Franklin, Ablett, Fyfe, Martin, Bontempelli, Betts, Rance, Dangerfield in our jumper and we'd still find a way to lose.
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This doesn't make any sense. We were cruising v Geelong and Richmond until injuries, and it was Goodwin's ingenuity that kept us competitive in both games. We dominated Freo for a half and then the players simply didn't fire a shot in the third quarter. Yesterday was the first example of genuine uncompetitiveness at the start of a game
 

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A11dAtP0w3R said:
Its a great point, what's even more frustrating is not one of the idiots can even get a proper fist on it (especially that **** Oscar, how many air swings does that idiot have a game?) everyone just goes up and lays the ball down front and centre for opposition crumbers, its becoming beyond a joke.
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Agreed, I think the fact our talls (OMac, TMac and our undersized ruckman) generally never manage to spoil it has resulted in our mediums/smalls (Jetta/Hibberd/Hunt etc) feeling like they need to fly for it too to ensure we halve the contest in the air.

Gawn's impact in marking/spoiling in the defensive 50 cannot be underestimated - him being so good at getting back to assist hid how crap the rest of our talls were at spoiling last year.
 
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ballsdeep said:
Goodwin isn't going last long IMO, has so far showed zero ability to change or alter game plan to stop momentum, how sides like fremantle and hawthorn are allowed 6-7 goal runs in qtr is a disgrace, paul roos must sit up in commentary box shaking his head at this all or nothing style of game that is not sustainable over 4 qtrs let alone 22 rounds.

The other thing that really hurts us apart from obviously the ruck is our bottom 6 players each week are not up to afl level, jkh,hannan,bugg,oscar mac,neal bullen,stretch,melksham,wagner who are just on a rotation as to who dominates in the vfl the week before really aren't good enough to take us to next level of having 22 solid contributers every week,
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It's disappointing we've started so badly the last two weeks but at least Goodwin has been able to turn us round after half time. Perhaps we should do the handball "keeping off" game the hawks were doing before the game.
 
Topkent said:
I dunno it feels more melty this week. Probably gonna get worse though

How you feeling about your man nibbler after this year
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He's played some good games, done some stupid things, but i think he's good enough to persist with. He's easily better than a few guys that were in the side this week.
 
Dont get the bagging the coach thing at all. Not Goodwin's fault the whole team comes out lacking energy or falling asleep after half time (such as against Freo). The game plan works, when we excute and can be arsed showing up.
 
When a side gets a roll on, it's more up to the players and the senior ones in particular to arrest the momentum. Aside from putting a player back behind the play or sending out a message there is not much a coach can do mid quarter.
 
A11dAtP0w3R said:
Dont get the bagging the coach thing at all. Not Goodwin's fault the whole team comes out lacking energy or falling asleep after half time (such as against Freo). The game plan works, when we excute and can be arsed showing up.
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Can the game plan work for a while season though?

Actually, can it work for a whole game?
 
A11dAtP0w3R said:
Show me any game plan that works for a whole game without an approriate level of effort.
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If your question is valid then how can other teams manage to consistently stick to their game plan for the majority of games but we can't, hell even last year we were better at keeping it together longer. We now have a forward press that requires maximum effort from the players and if it fails then opposition can score at will. The other problem with our game plan is that our forwardline is now so congested we find it equally hard to score.
 

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