Review Good vs West Coast, R13 2023

[rabidcrow]

Thanks for joining us Mathew, good win last night.

Not sure if you checked the stats but we only won centre clearances by 2.

Thats right in a 20 goal win our mids could only win centre clearances by 2.

Perhaps you could give a couple of the kids more of a crack in the middle

It's your 4th year rebuilding and you're e still hooked on the Sloane, Keays, Laird combo.

Rankine, Jones, Soligo should all be having a run through the middle. Sloane really won't mind if he doesn't attend another centre bounce.

And the Eagles won centre clearance by 5 last week even though Collingwood beat them by 10 goals. They also won centre clearance when Carlton beat them by 100 points

Our big issue is that our developing midfielders are all second year players. We don’t have any in the 3-5 year bracket and that leaves them to be managed through the year. I would hope we see a much greater transition next year after another pre season


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[WaynesWorld19]

I don't know if this has been posted; apologies, if so.

Ten of the best from Tex:

Walker massacre with career-high 10 in game 250

Taylor Walker has a milestone game to remember with a spectacular 10-goal haul in the Crows' demolition

www.afl.com.au

Is there a tall KPF in the League with a better L-foot snap off one or two steps AND can dob'em from 50-55m out?
I don't think so.

Jeremy Cameron

Maybe you should have said opposite foot snap

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I suspect that Rachele and Pedlar probably couldn't handle the sort of midfield workload that Laird, Dawson, Keays and Sloane can at this stage in their careers. Could be wrong though.

This !

Yes early season, Rachelle, Soligo, & Pedlar could ......but by R13, no .....plus you have to manage these young players thru another 11 games

Their time will come

 

[cm_perfect]

I actually thought he spoke well considering the circumstances

Agreed, I am leaning towards him not getting the arse any time soon after the presser.

Picked up a few things he said while I was in a beer fog.

Slashing the list next year, will be the youngest side in the comp.

Hit the top end of the draft for a few years.

Rebuild started.

I don’t think he has any delusions at where the list is at.

 

[FR0GGY]

It’s not just about Tex, he re-did the Coleman race with all goals against the eagles removed. I kind of understand what he’s saying, but how deep do you go with this? As the other panellist said, Brownlow, AAs, where does it stop. Do we need to take into account variances in form lines during the season? The Coleman is won by the player that kicks the most goals, end of story.

Yep, can Tex be adjusted up for all the windy shitholes we’ve played in?

 

[Bearded Clam]

This is pretty subjective and I suspect you'll just dismiss any examples, but if we are differentiating between 'half decent' and 'top class' I don't think the West Coast midfield of 2018 was 'top class'. Obviously they had some good players in there like Gaff (who missed the GF) and Yeo, but nobody who is going to be a HoF midfielder and nobody in 2018 would have said they had the best midfield. They had nobody in the top 10 of the Brownlow, which is largely a midfielder's award. They had nobody in the top 10 in the league for disposals or clearances. The only midfielder they had in the AA team was Gaff, picked on the wing, plus Yeo made the squad. As a unit they were a pretty effective midfield but not dominant and it wasn't their biggest strength as a club.

Midfielders are very important but broad statements like 'midfields win GFs' are wrong, I think. The Crows had an awesome midfield in the early to mid 2000s and never won a flag, largely because we were missing quality in other areas of the field. If you pick the best midfield in the AFL each year they aren't necessarily winning the flag, there's a lot that goes into it.

We do obviously need more quality in there - the hope is that Pedlar and Rachele come on as I think both have the potential to be top class midfielders, and maybe we pick up someone else as well.

Gaff, shoey, yeo..

They also had Ryan and Rioli who were both in career best form running through there..

Pretty bloody classy if you ask me.. especially when comparing it to what we currently have.

Soo… no comment on the other 9 premiership teams in that last decade I take it?..

Was the tigers one shit?.. the dees?.. Cats?..

Strange.. I wonder why you dont mention them and instead focused solely on trying to talk down the west coast 2018 midfield.

If you actually think an average midfield is gonna win you a flag then I dont know what to tell you.

Our current midfield and midfielder stocks arent winning a flag. Not now. Not ever. Adding a gun draftee mid this year isnt gonna help as they are 3-5 years from hitting their straps..

That McAsey pick at 6 has done unbelievable damage to this list. That should have instead added a gun mid.. then we’d atleast be halfway there.. looking at the premiership winners of the last 10 years you need a minimum of two elite mids to have any chance.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Gaff, shoey, yeo..

They also had Ryan and Rioli who were both in career best form running through there..

Pretty bloody classy if you ask me.. especially when comparing it to what we currently have.

Soo… no comment on the other 9 premiership teams in that last decade I take it?..

Was the tigers one s**t?.. the dees?.. Cats?..

Strange.. I wonder why you dont mention them and instead focused solely on trying to talk down the west coast 2018 midfield.

If you actually think an average midfield is gonna win you a flag then I dont know what to tell you.

Our current midfield and midfielder stocks arent winning a flag. Not now. Not ever. Adding a gun draftee mid this year isnt gonna help as they are 3-5 years from hitting their straps..

That McAsey pick at 6 has done unbelievable damage to this list. That should have instead added a gun mid.. then we’d atleast be halfway there.. looking at the premiership winners of the last 10 years you need a minimum of two elite mids to have any chance.

Not so much the McAsey pick as the priority pick to GCS.

Noah Anderson would be a crow if not for that (although we wouldn’t have Pedlar).

 

[Mutineer]

Gaff, shoey, yeo..

They also had Ryan and Rioli who were both in career best form running through there..

Pretty bloody classy if you ask me.. especially when comparing it to what we currently have.

Soo… no comment on the other 9 premiership teams in that last decade I take it?..

Was the tigers one s**t?.. the dees?.. Cats?..

Strange.. I wonder why you dont mention them and instead focused solely on trying to talk down the west coast 2018 midfield.

If you actually think an average midfield is gonna win you a flag then I dont know what to tell you.

Our current midfield and midfielder stocks arent winning a flag. Not now. Not ever. Adding a gun draftee mid this year isnt gonna help as they are 3-5 years from hitting their straps..

That McAsey pick at 6 has done unbelievable damage to this list. That should have instead added a gun mid.. then we’d atleast be halfway there.. looking at the premiership winners of the last 10 years you need a minimum of two elite mids to have any chance.

The only mid chosen after McAsey that could be rated a "gun" mid at this point is the 179cm Caleb Serong and the shyte that would have followed draft night for picking another "shortarse" mid would have been the usual melts from the usual suspects.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Nicks mentioned in his 3QT interview that Rachele would be getting more CBAs in the final quarter, but he wouldn't be changing anything else. Not sure what actually happened in the final term with CBAs but it is obviously something they are thinking about in terms of managing workload, opportunities and team performance.

I suspect that Rachele and Pedlar probably couldn't handle the sort of midfield workload that Laird, Dawson, Keays and Sloane can at this stage in their careers. Could be wrong though.

This !

Yes early season, Rachelle, Soligo, & Pedlar could ......but by R13, no .....plus you have to manage these young players thru another 11 games

Their time will come

Geez..

This is so comforting to know..

So basically.. the arguement in favour of our current midfield is that we have to continue with giving our shit/cooked midfielders of Keays and sloane most of the midfield minutes and CB attendances because our younger players arent fit enough to even last a half a season whilst being given even the tiniest of bursts in the midfield…”

Brilliant!

What a positive.

 

[Soggy2112]

How do you not get the criticism? We won by 120 points and gave most of opportunities to Laird, Dawson, Keays.

This was 100% the week to give midfield minutes to those you want to trial in the middle.

My point is that the guys we want to trial: Soligo, Rachele, Pedlar, are getting plenty of CBAs this season. Perhaps they could be getting more, however it’s important to remember that Pedlar has been injury prone, and Rachele wasn’t able to play out the season last year.

We have the best high performance manager in the league, how do we know that those three guys current midfield load isn’t a directive from Burgess and his team?

Also important to remember that it’s highly likely percentage will be one of the deciding factors in whether we play finals or not. Makes sense that Nicks wanted to put the foot down and make it a massive kill.

 

[Bearded Clam]

The only mid chosen after McAsey that could be rated a "gun" mid at this point is the 179cm Caleb Serong and the shyte that would have followed draft night for picking another "shortarse" mid would have been the usual melts from the usual suspects.

That Day lad at the hawks looks alright..

And geez.. kossie pickett is a real shit player.. who’s made moves into the midfield at the dees this year..

 

[BucketsNj]

I can't stand Bearded Clam's negativity. I have bowed to the inevitable and ignored him.

 

[Soggy2112]

Geez..

This is so comforting to know..

So basically.. the arguement in favour of our current midfield is that we have to continue with giving our s**t/cooked midfielders of Keays and sloane most of the midfield minutes and CB attendances because our younger players arent fit enough to even last a half a season whilst being given even the tiniest of bursts in the midfield…”

Brilliant!

What a positive.

Sloane had one less CBA than Pedlar and two more than Soligo. Hardly counts as giving him “most of the midfield minutes”.

 

[Mutineer]

That Day lad at the hawks looks alright..

And geez.. kossie pickett is a real s**t player.. who’s made moves into the midfield at the dees this year..

Yeah and you were predicting Will Day would transition from a lightly built half back flanker into a mid...NOT!!

Nobody saw Will Day as a midfielder when he was drafted...Nobody!!!

And you were predicting Kossie Pickett would be a "gun" mid at draft time...Not!!

He was drafted as a ballistic small forward and that's still his main role now.

You're another of those hindsight eggspurts

 

[ABAB]

That Day lad at the hawks looks alright..

And geez.. kossie pickett is a real s**t player.. who’s made moves into the midfield at the dees this year..

Did Day or Pickett play any midfield in the juniors? At least Rachele did.

 

[footy4ever]

Is anyone else warming to Dwayne's commentary? Over the last few I've watched with him commentating I've actually found him to be quite entertaining.


I'll armour up and wait for the incoming.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Is anyone else warming to Dwayne's commentary? Over the last few I've watched with him commentating I've actually found him to be quite entertaining.


I'll armour up and wait for the incoming.

I don't think he's good, but I've realised he's no longer the worst. Underwood and Darcy are unbearably horrific. Basil's one-off was thankfully a one-off last night.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Is anyone else warming to Dwayne's commentary? Over the last few I've watched with him commentating I've actually found him to be quite entertaining.


I'll armour up and wait for the incoming.

It’s the same script regardless of game:

• he blows his line
• the stage is set

 

[Mutineer]

I don't think he's good, but I've realised he's no longer the worst. Underwood and Darcy are unbearably horrific. Basil's one-off was thankfully a one-off last night.

Fine but only one commentator truly gives me the shits Dermie with his constant dribble.

 

[NSolis]

Gaff, shoey, yeo..

They also had Ryan and Rioli who were both in career best form running through there..

Pretty bloody classy if you ask me.. especially when comparing it to what we currently have.

Soo… no comment on the other 9 premiership teams in that last decade I take it?..

Was the tigers one s**t?.. the dees?.. Cats?..

Strange.. I wonder why you dont mention them and instead focused solely on trying to talk down the west coast 2018 midfield.

If you actually think an average midfield is gonna win you a flag then I dont know what to tell you.

Our current midfield and midfielder stocks arent winning a flag. Not now. Not ever. Adding a gun draftee mid this year isnt gonna help as they are 3-5 years from hitting their straps..

That McAsey pick at 6 has done unbelievable damage to this list. That should have instead added a gun mid.. then we’d atleast be halfway there.. looking at the premiership winners of the last 10 years you need a minimum of two elite mids to have any chance.

Man you're really not very good at sticking to a coherent point are you?

Quite obviously I was taking up your challenge to 'name a single premiership team' in the last 10 years that didn't have a top tier midfield. You asked if anyone could do that and I've named one. If your claim was just 'most teams that win flags have strong midfields' well sure, I agree with that, but that's a completely different claim that nobody would disagree with.

Also I never said the West Coast midfield was 'shit', or talked them down. Obviously they weren't shit, they were good enough to win the flag. What I am saying is that their midfield in 2018 was not particularly elite, they didn't have top 10 players in any of the key categories and were clearly outmatched by a number of other sides that year and they still won the flag because it's not exclusively midfield dominance that matters. If you'd been posting in 2018 saying West Coast had an elite midfield people would have been puzzled by the claim, but they won the flag anyway. If you'd said that about Melbourne in 2021, well yeah their midfield was exceptional. Different teams, different strengths.

 

[dplggr47]

Nicks mentioned in his 3QT interview that Rachele would be getting more CBAs in the final quarter, but he wouldn't be changing anything else. Not sure what actually happened in the final term with CBAs but it is obviously something they are thinking about in terms of managing workload, opportunities and team performance.

I suspect that Rachele and Pedlar probably couldn't handle the sort of midfield workload that Laird, Dawson, Keays and Sloane can at this stage in their careers. Could be wrong though.

The younger players get rested more as well and I know Pedlar usually ends up finishing the game on the bench like last night. Often because we finish up all our rotations and that's just it for the game.

 

[Bearded Clam]

I can't stand Bearded Clam's negativity. I have bowed to the inevitable and ignored him.

 

[cleanhands]

I can't stand Bearded Clam's negativity. I have bowed to the inevitable and ignored him.

There’s a bit of honesty in most

 

[Bovo]

Agreed. Our defense is building nicely. Our forward line is our strength but who know what will happen when our number forward in Tex retires. Our midfield is C grade midfield with one of our top 2 about to hit his 30's. Even if they all reach their potential, this is a 7 to 12 list and no chance at a genuine 3 to 5 year premiership window.

It makes you wonder. We offered the Kangaroos a mega trade deal to get JHF. They said no and then he left for Port within 12 months. I’m not sure who we currently wouldn’t have, but JHF is looking the goods. He’s the type of midfielder we’re missing. Point is we could potentially trade into a better midfielder to fast track our Engine

 

[Mutineer]

It makes you wonder. We offered the Kangaroos a mega trade deal to get JHF. They said no and then he left for Port within 12 months. I’m not sure who we currently wouldn’t have, but JHF is looking the goods. He’s the type of midfielder we’re missing. Point is we could potentially trade into a better midfielder to fast track our Engine

Yeah we could if you know of one that's likely gettable with the collateral we hold?