Autopsy Roast & toast vs Melbourne and changes for round 21 vs Western Bulldogs

[Maurice Mitchell]

Soldo was good. Gave his all.

Hope we use both rucks against English. Will keep him more accountable and also expose their depleted tall defenders.

 

[Madtiger2006]

In Bauer, Cumberland, Dow
Out Pickett, Reiwoldt(rest), Cotchin(rest)

Next year we’ll have Lynch back.
Gibcus and Bradtke can be options up forward or back.

Draft another key tall and midfielders

 

[Groupie_]

guarantee umps sign a waiver before every season saying they wont release any information at any points of their lives

 

[biaseddustyfan]

In Bauer, Cumberland, Dow
Out Pickett, Reiwoldt(rest), Cotchin(rest)

Next year we’ll have Lynch back.
Gibcus and Bradtke can be options up forward or back.

Draft another key tall and midfielders

Nank will return this week right

No way they leave him out

 

[tigerdan]

For those who watched it on TV and can't see the plays happening off screen.

We are not far off it. I was expecting a 5 goal loss and that's what we got, but we dictated terms for huge patches of the game and just a few things going against us in the last (including some fairly ordinary umpiring) cost us in the end. I think we might have mucked up the sub but it was a gamble that would have looked genius if it worked. In any case, the game last week against the Hawks was way worse. We played like a 5-8 side and Dusty is entering god mode for the first time in about 2 years.

I walked away disappointed to have coughed up a 20 point lead, but with more positives than negatives.

We didn't lose because of our key backs. No one could expect three forwards to kick 16.0 between them. No one. If it was 10.6 then we almost pinch the game. We set up specifically to guard the opposition's 40m (not a typo) which meant until the last Q (when we lost the clearances due to Gawn dominating) they were continually taking marks about 50m out, and close to the boundary. That's a low % shot in anyone's books. At the game sitting high up, it was very obvious to see this. And it would have worked if not for their freakishly accurate kicking. Melt all you want about Grimes but he was actually not bad 1 on 1 when they tried to bomb it in deep. It was when they marked further out from goal that he and the other backs got caught out.

Where we lost it was not having a key forward at CHF. Again, you probably can't see this on the TV because it's usually zoomed in on the ball carrier, but we continually kicked it to the hot spot only for no one to be there. Jack battled manfully but his pace isn't there to make use of the quick ball coming in off a turnover. So if you want to know where we lost it, we lost it because we didn't have another marking forward.

Just on Melbourne, they didn't pay us respect early when they had Petracca forward. We cut them up because they didn't have their best onballers in the guts.

They played like a 4th placed team but they are gonna struggle playing an away final against the Brions or Port.

We played like a 5-8 placed team and should we get there and meet Melbourne in a semi well that would be a good matchup.

 

[Groupie_]

have a look at the negative nancies that dont even mention umpiring in their posts for the reasons why we lost

we are not on a level playing field

 

[peterand]

Who’s going to be the second tall forward. With your in’s and out’s there would be even less support from Jack R.

We haven’t had a second tall all year

 

[Neen]

This is a well-thought-out write-up and well-written, id like to know your thoughts on Taranto and his disposal.
This is something that is really bugging me at the moment - my posts are obviously showing my frustration.
Hopper to me is below average and terrible at the price we paid, id rather play cumbo/coulthard/bauer.
Dusty was magic by comparison, his kicking was amazing, TOOK TIME TO MAKE TIME for the right option and his disposals were refreshing to see, nearly back to his best.

Taranto and Hopper are basically replacements for Lambert and Edwards. Regarding his disposal, earlier on in the season, it had low efficiency as he was more or less throwing the ball straight onto the boot at clearances etc. As the season has progressed, it appears to be much better as his confidence grew and the game plan was more understood. As a result, the confidence of running into goals and kicking multiple goals has been impressive to the point he would be leading our B&F. Hopper to me should be playing more inside. I thought we were paying for an inside bull, but he does not appear to be doing that, and I don't know if it is the different jumper, but he looks like he has lost weight since GWS. Mini moved Dusty into the midfield rotation, and Prestia returned from injury, so Taranto's time started to become reduced. Now Hopper is joining the crew, it is dilating Taranto's time in the midfield. Less time on the ball, less possessions.

What is annoying for me is that Lambert was very important to Dusty's dominance in 2017-2020. While dusty was all offensive, Lambert provided the defensive side with his running capacity. dusty is returning to that kind of form, but no Lambert means either Graham (too slow) or Hopper, would be providing that defensive run. That would leave Hopper out of any center square involvement while dusty is in there, but that is not happening with regularity - at least not yesterday.

Taranto and Hopper will need that one or two season's to settle and find their role. Taranto has already done that. Hopper has not due to injury and maybe his role has changed. I'd like his role to return to the GWS inside game - not a running game. I think a pre season, a new coach with fresh ideas and most importantly a gameplan that suits our current midfield will be a good indication to whether we made the right decision on both Taranto and Hopper. I think we we overpaid for hopper right now, but we got the Taranto deal right.

That Dusty kick to Jack bursting out of the centre square was classic 2017 Dusty. No one can emulate that.

 

[peternorth]

For those who watched it on TV and can't see the plays happening off screen.

We are not far off it. I was expecting a 5 goal loss and that's what we got, but we dictated terms for huge patches of the game and just a few things going against us in the last (including some fairly ordinary umpiring) cost us in the end. I think we might have mucked up the sub but it was a gamble that would have looked genius if it worked. In any case, the game last week against the Hawks was way worse. We played like a 5-8 side and Dusty is entering god mode for the first time in about 2 years.

I walked away disappointed to have coughed up a 20 point lead, but with more positives than negatives.

We didn't lose because of our key backs. No one could expect three forwards to kick 16.0 between them. No one. If it was 10.6 then we almost pinch the game. We set up specifically to guard the opposition's 40m (not a typo) which meant until the last Q that they were continually taking marks about 50m out, and close to the boundary. That's a low % shot in anyone's books. At the game sitting high up, it was very obvious to see this. And it would have worked if not for their freakishly accurate kicking. Melt all you want about Grimes but he was actually not bad 1 on 1 when they tried to bomb it in deep. It was when they marked further out from goal that he and the other backs got caught out.

Where we lost it was not having a key forward at CHF. Again, you probably can't see this on the TV because it's usually zoomed in on the ball carrier, but we continually kicked it to the hot spot only for no one to be there. Jack battled manfully but his pace isn't there to make use of the quick ball coming in off a turnover. So if you want to know where we lost it, we lost it because we didn't have another marking forward.

Just on Melbourne, they didn't pay us respect early when they had Petracca forward. We cut them up because they didn't have their best onballers in the guts.

They played like a 4th placed team but they are gonna struggle playing an away final against the Brions or Port.

We played like a 5-8 placed team and should we get there and meet Melbourne in a semi well that would be a good matchup.

thanks for your viewpoint from an attendee perspective.

If we make it and play melb in the finals, but do not have a CHF, how could it be a good matchup >

 

[tigerdan]

thanks for your viewpoint from an attendee perspective.

If we make it and play melb in the finals, but do not have a CHF, how could it be a good matchup >

Well I guess they'd have to get three guys to kick 16.0 again

It would be a game at the G with a huge Tiger crowd and that would be much preferable to playing in Adelaide or Brisbane.

With a crystal ball you'd have to consider Ryan or Cumberland or maybe Bauer. A mid sized leading forward would have been enough yesterday. Even though Cumberland has some limitations to work on, I think he should have played yesterday.

 

[Truetiger]

In Bauer, Cumberland, Dow
Out Pickett, Reiwoldt(rest), Cotchin(rest)

Next year we’ll have Lynch back.
Gibcus and Bradtke can be options up forward or back.

Draft another key tall and midfielders

With Pickett out Soldo our no1 Ruck, Rest Nank for the finals

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Lot of revism going on in this thread. Balta going forward had little impact on the dee kicking clear. JVR, Petty (1 as result of the umpires not paying a clear mark to Vlastuin) and Melksham kicked 3 of their 16 goals in the last. They did most of their damage whilst Balta was in the back line. It was the their smalls who become dangerous in the last as we threw caution to the wind and had our half backs streaming out the backline trying to create run which left their smalls to cash in with easy goals over the top.

We lost the game in the minutes Soldo went to the bench and we went from being within a kick to being 3 goals down once he got back on. From that point on our structures went out the window and we were playing kamikaze football which didn't pay off.

 

[biaseddustyfan]

Well I guess they'd have to get three guys to kick 16.0 again

maybe the remote control ball was in use again

remember gil bringing that out against us a few years ago

 

[Vassp]

Taranto and Hopper are basically replacements for Lambert and Edwards. Regarding his disposal, earlier on in the season, it had low efficiency as he was more or less throwing the ball straight onto the boot at clearances etc. As the season has progressed, it appears to be much better as his confidence grew and the game plan was more understood. As a result, the confidence of running into goals and kicking multiple goals has been impressive to the point he would be leading our B&F. Hopper to me should be playing more inside. I thought we were paying for an inside bull, but he does not appear to be doing that, and I don't know if it is the different jumper, but he looks like he has lost weight since GWS. Mini moved Dusty into the midfield rotation, and Prestia returned from injury, so Taranto's time started to become reduced. Now Hopper is joining the crew, it is dilating Taranto's time in the midfield. Less time on the ball, less possessions.

What is annoying for me is that Lambert was very important to Dusty's dominance in 2017-2020. While dusty was all offensive, Lambert provided the defensive side with his running capacity. dusty is returning to that kind of form, but no Lambert means either Graham (too slow) or Hopper, would be providing that defensive run. That would leave Hopper out of any center square involvement while dusty is in there, but that is not happening with regularity - at least not yesterday.

Taranto and Hopper will need that one or two season's to settle and find their role. Taranto has already done that. Hopper has not due to injury and maybe his role has changed. I'd like his role to return to the GWS inside game - not a running game. I think a pre season, a new coach with fresh ideas and most importantly a gameplan that suits our current midfield will be a good indication to whether we made the right decision on both Taranto and Hopper. I think we we overpaid for hopper right now, but we got the Taranto deal right.

That Dusty kick to Jack bursting out of the centre square was classic 2017 Dusty. No one can emulate that.

Agree with all except tarantoes disp9sal improving. All one needs to do is watch how often he elects to throw the ball on his boot.
He wouod be struggling to be in the top 100 foorballers in my book. And id be pulling him asside to work on his disposal. Which is Killing us.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Id happily trade both Taranto and hopper for 20% less than what we paid and start again.

Jesus Christ.lol
And replace with who?

 

[Karp3_dm]

why the * was soldo off for 30 mins when game was on the line

surely he had enough energy to at least neutralise most of the ruck contests and interrupt a few marking contests

Cooked

 

[Sir_Loin]

Nank will return this week right

No way they leave him out

Best mid we have

 

[Sir_Loin]

Id happily trade both Taranto and hopper for 20% less than what we paid and start again.

Wat

 

[Groupie_]

why the * was soldo off for 30 mins when game was on the line

surely he had enough energy to at least neutralise most of the ruck contests and interrupt a few marking contests

had a melt over the umps

 

[tiger_tough]

For those who watched it on TV and can't see the plays happening off screen.

We are not far off it. I was expecting a 5 goal loss and that's what we got, but we dictated terms for huge patches of the game and just a few things going against us in the last (including some fairly ordinary umpiring) cost us in the end. I think we might have mucked up the sub but it was a gamble that would have looked genius if it worked. In any case, the game last week against the Hawks was way worse. We played like a 5-8 side and Dusty is entering god mode for the first time in about 2 years.

I walked away disappointed to have coughed up a 20 point lead, but with more positives than negatives.

We didn't lose because of our key backs. No one could expect three forwards to kick 16.0 between them. No one. If it was 10.6 then we almost pinch the game. We set up specifically to guard the opposition's 40m (not a typo) which meant until the last Q that they were continually taking marks about 50m out, and close to the boundary. That's a low % shot in anyone's books. At the game sitting high up, it was very obvious to see this. And it would have worked if not for their freakishly accurate kicking. Melt all you want about Grimes but he was actually not bad 1 on 1 when they tried to bomb it in deep. It was when they marked further out from goal that he and the other backs got caught out.

Where we lost it was not having a key forward at CHF. Again, you probably can't see this on the TV because it's usually zoomed in on the ball carrier, but we continually kicked it to the hot spot only for no one to be there. Jack battled manfully but his pace isn't there to make use of the quick ball coming in off a turnover. So if you want to know where we lost it, we lost it because we didn't have another marking forward.

Just on Melbourne, they didn't pay us respect early when they had Petracca forward. We cut them up because they didn't have their best onballers in the guts.

They played like a 4th placed team but they are gonna struggle playing an away final against the Brions or Port.

We played like a 5-8 placed team and should we get there and meet Melbourne in a semi well that would be a good matchup.

I agree, we're not that far off.

We need to inject some pace into the side and sort out the clearances. How easy do opposition teams walk it out of the center when we don't win it clean? Seriously nearly every time. With 6-6-6 rule you just can't afford that. Bolton looks great bursting out the front of the stoppage, but it often ends up with his direct opponent in a paddock when we don't win it. The funny thing is we have the cattle to sort that out easily.

 

[tiger_tough]

Hope we use both rucks against English. Will keep him more accountable and also expose their depleted tall defenders.

Plus it'd mean Miller gets the arse. win win.

 

[banana_bus]

Agree with all except tarantoes disp9sal improving. All one needs to do is watch how often he elects to throw the ball on his boot.
He wouod be struggling to be in the top 100 foorballers in my book. And id be pulling him asside to work on his disposal. Which is Killing us.

Will finish top 5 in the Brownlow but sure Karen

 

[Groupie_]

Hope we use both rucks against English. Will keep him more accountable and also expose their depleted tall defenders.

we are not winning the game if both nank and soldo play

I have nightmares of how bad that combo has been at shitihad

 

[kozi]

Is there another sport on earth whose governing body is that backwards it’s hellbent on killing off its largest team’s supporter base

 

[Vassp]

Will finish top 5 in the Brownlow but sure Karen

listen champ, when you open your eyes from that dream you're having about Taranto, you'll finally wake up (that's debatable BTW) and realise he can't use the ball by foot, he kills our ball usage and affects our football in a negative way.
I'll be happy to shut up once he starts to use the ball better than U12 footballer.