Autopsy Round 19 = Hawthorn 133-67 Collingwood

[Axl the great]

Steady on.

There’s a world of difference between critiquing our current situation (poor) …

… versus …

… spraying toxic bile about a coach who (fact) won a Premiership 18 games ago, and (fact) presently has the best winning percentage of any current serving coach.

We’re all disappointed, surely, it’s not asking too much to exercise a little perspective.

This is true but some posters will not even entertain criticism of the coach/coaches.
What people forget is this is a business, and they are employees of the members, same as a shareholder company.
Now if you can't make a profit within expectations your share price drops and holders get antsy, people are removed from roles and companies, especially its leaders are heavily critiqued and held accountable.
You also hear the excuse that he got us a flag blah blah, what if the CEO of a company oversaw a loss-making year after a few years of profit?
He wouldn't have a job that's what, whatever job you work in, sporting club, seeing a band, having a meal, praise comes with performance and pressure and criticism comes with non-performance, some just can't grasp this.

 

[magpielicious]

Care factor on the rest of the season = 0

 

[Mollythedolly]

The previous two seasons we got threw off the back of an absolute elite defensive set up. We would often lose the clearance differential but the backline repelled the entries and kick started the quick movement forward.

The backline has struggled this year and so have we. Forward line often playing with only 1 or no legit tall.

It’s not our year, player availability has hurt. Like most teams we are a team that needs to be healthy to compete.

Anyone who needs end of season surgery book them in this week and start playing young guys.

Yes, but it was a full team defensive effort, not just the back 6-7.

 

[loki04]

Going to be a rough couple years ladies and gents. Strapped yourselves in

Going to be interesting to say the least.

2025 30 plus.
Pendles 37
Howe 35
Steele 34
Cox 34
Mihocek 32
Elliott 32
WHE 31
Crisp 31
Cameron 30

Nearing 30 - 3 to 4 year rebuild will be old guard.
Moore 29
Degoey 29
Maynard 28
Markov 28
Noble 28
Schultz 27

 

[Mollythedolly]

on Monday, you wont be able to tell whether we won or lost............................

Inside the club anyway, but I doubt Fly understands BF posters.

 

[stormskye]

how many new threads we gonna end up with after tonight

 

[loki04]

Combination of injuries and a lack of leadership has hurt us this season which has unfortunately closed the premiership window for now.

Need a bit of a shake up for the end of the year with positioning:

- Moore forward/ruck (defensive liability, replaced by Frampton who I think is a better one on one defender)

- Quaynor into the middle (defensive liability - move crisp to half back)

- Sullivan as a small lock down defender (give him a role to lock down on the small forwards - if he can’t do this role he be successful in AFL)

- Steele Sidebottom to play forward pocket (has always been dangerous around the goals)

- Markov is unfortunately finished

- Reef McInness to play wing

Just some options to give new opportunities to players and try to find something at the end of this year.

Reef onball and Quaynor to wing, Moore fwd, Steele high hf.
Pendles rotating with Steele less time in guts.

 

[IlovethePies]

Yes, but it was a full team defensive effort, not just the back 6-7.

Agree. The mids last year ran back systematically to assist the defence. they then ran forward to transition the rebound. This year, they are just not providing that same energy and interconnection. Part of that is due to not having a competent pair of inside mids, so non- inside mids have been forced to try to cover this role, because our young inexperienced lads have not been quite up to the necessary level. Hence, our midfield has been worn down by exhaustion. This is I believe the fundamental reason why our game plan appears to have collapsed. It is not that oppositions have worked us out. It is simply that we don't have the same personnel, and that some of the older personnel are inevitably declining.

 

[SouthernPie]

Our premiership last season was the BEST thing I've ever witnessed. I'm forever thankful for that.
However, there are two major factors I believe for our demise in season 2024.
Injuries ..... the footy gods have not smiled on us this year and there's nothing we can do about that.
Secondly, the coaching team have been slow to adjust to other teams having worked out how to combat our game plan (ala uncontested footy displayed by Geelong and Essendon).
Thirdly, our boys have lost confidence and belief, due to lack of constructive direction from the coaching team regarding the above.

 

[SchuPie]

I’d like him to say that a few that disgraced the Collingwood jumper today are going to be running around the vfl next week

I liked this presser
I thought he sounded v annoyed w players / system
His tone, responses, to me, indicated a brutal review for some

 

[Greenaicos]

Thank you for giving us Jack.

I think we are good for small forwards now but if you'd like to trade out Bobby Hill we'd seriously consider it

In all seriousness you've been cruelled by injuries and you are way better than what happened today.

Get off our board.

 

[loki04]

Absolute rabble.

Great trading boys… effectively Ginnivan and pick 6 for Schulz. Genius

And the backline is seriously fkd.

How Markov is better than Dean, I’d love to know.

And Quaynor and Moore can take their new sponsorships and shove them up their asses. Absolute pretenders.

Please leave Derek. And let’s recruit a proper head of football and head of recruiting. Ash Johnson instead of Jai Newcombe. Another genius move. And quit the Collingwood arrogance and start rebuilding through the draft. How about starting with a proper KPF…. For the first time in 15 years

Might be a top 5 pick yet.

Typically that's a star, a player capable of carrying a team for 10 plus years. Staggers me how many think this was a good call on here.

 

[loki04]

Hard to explain, a total lack of effort from the first bounce! Yet all we hear is how engaged the club is, nope not buying it.
So happy for 2023 but this year has been terrible for the preseason.
I’d hope the club makes serious changes, the coaching structure is terrible, there is players that clearly don’t care, they got the medel last year and are done.

Hunger is gone from a lot of them.

 

[cfc19902010]

I wouldn't. Such matters should be discussed internally. And it wouldn't be fair. Because the entire team was disgraced tonight. It was a mind numbingly poor team

Inside the club anyway, but I doubt Fly understands BF

I liked this presser
I thought he sounded v annoyed w players / system
His tone, responses, to me, indicated a brutal review for some

Let’s hope so

 

[loki04]

Yes, but Geelong doesn’t give away (pick 6) first round draft picks for a player that would have become a free agent in 3 months.
And they don't give away a wily forward with footy smarts, and a draft pick, for 3 magic beans.
We can’t rebuild. We have ageing players that are at or near the end, and role players that are slow, and only one or two younger players that might make it..

Spot on Geelong doesn't give them away, they trade them in (Bowes and pick 7 for cap space) and also go after match winning stars in Dangerfield, Cameron, Smith, Thouhey etc.

 

[cfc19902010]

And Adams would have come in handy without Mitchell

 

[sr36]

What ball movement. We were exciting to watch now we are boring to watch. Back to Buckley boring to watch.

It just feels like once the opposition get it forward, the whole team floods defensive 50 and then when we get the footy we kick it down the line to a nest of opponents so it comes straight back in.

 

[cwoodgal]

Spot on Geelong doesn't give them away, they trade them in (Bowes and pick 7 for cap space) and also go after match winning stars in Dangerfield, Cameron, Smith, Thouhey etc.

Trouble is we don't seem to attract match winning stars, they seem to go everywhere else but us

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[IlovethePies]

Like that will work Flys got.too many favourites
Sold off Ginnivan because he went to the races sober and was home by 930. A trade which could be costly for the next decade.
Flys performance is not without scrutiny itself.

Don't think such comments are useful.
Where is your evidence that Fly "has favourites" ?
How do you know that the reason why we did not try to keep Ginni was solely because of his pre GF escapade? (Perhaps not coincidentally by the way, he was invisible in the GF)
Ginni happens to play well against us, (due to an incredibly poor defensive effort from the entire team ) and you believe that this means we will regret losing Ginni for the next decade?
You may turn out to be right, but at this current point in time there isn't any evidence for these claims. Ginnivan's stats for this season are no better than Schultz's.
I am not saying that I believe the deal we made for Schulz was justified. I am just saying that we would not have won tonight, even if Ginnivan had been in our team. Simply because, we would have not been able to feed the ball to him effectively, due to our lack of midfield capabiity atm.

 

[76woodenspooners]

This is true but some posters will not even entertain criticism of the coach/coaches.
What people forget is this is a business, and they are employees of the members, same as a shareholder company.
Now if you can't make a profit within expectations your share price drops and holders get antsy, people are removed from roles and companies, especially its leaders are heavily critiqued and held accountable.
You also hear the excuse that he got us a flag blah blah, what if the CEO of a company oversaw a loss-making year after a few years of profit?
He wouldn't have a job that's what, whatever job you work in, sporting club, seeing a band, having a meal, praise comes with performance and pressure and criticism comes with non-performance, some just can't grasp this.

There are similarities and differences.

A similarity is that it’s not about results, it’s about meeting expectations. Collingwood supporters would be enjoying their footy far less than North supporters these days despite their relative ladder positions. North are exceeding expectations, and Collingwood are failing to meet them.

A difference is that footy is a zero-sum game in a competitive industry. For every winner there is a loser. Every single week - baring byes or draws - the media will write nine stories about the teams that lost. The only thing to be decided is which nine teams will get those stories. Business isn’t like that.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Just watched Fly’s presser and holy shit that was embarrassing

To have the gall to use the words “we’re still getting better every day” after what we’ve dished up in the last month and ultimately today, is unacceptable

 

[anshell]

Adams and Ginnivan wouldn’t have made the slightest bit of difference today.The whole team is cooked,physically and mentally after two of the most exhilarating and draining seasons any team has had to play in recent times.

 

[Looney]

Thank you for giving us Jack.

I think we are good for small forwards now but if you'd like to trade out Bobby Hill we'd seriously consider it

In all seriousness you've been cruelled by injuries and you are way better than what happened today.

It's funny how Ginnivan was crucified by the AFL and the media when he was playing for us, to the point his form was affected. He's going to be beloved by everyone now since leaving Collingwood. That's Collingwood tax.

 

[76woodenspooners]

And Adams would have come in handy without Mitchell

Today, true.

But given our age profile we simply couldn’t justify matching the three year deal.

 

[Captivating]

Why is this club Hawthorn’s bitch.

5 - 15 over the past 20 games and
19 - 31 over the past 50

What is it about the brown and gold that has spooked Collingwood since the 1980’s?