Autopsy Round 4, 2023: Positives and Negatives vs Melbourne
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I think Clark is being judged way too harshly, he was far from our worst and is being played out of position. More opportunities to be physical and shoot out those quick handballs is all we really need from him IMO. I'd suggest watching his game again below and then make judgement
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I find it annoying how when a 50/50 free kick goes our way the commentators chime in with the "Noise of Affirmation" crap. Even Papalia who is not a Victorian. It has already been mathematically proven that there is no statistically significant difference between the free kicks for and against for us when playing at home. In fact the free kick count was 22 to 16 against us yesterday and they were still bringing it up.
He went at 93% disposal efficiency. Thought he was ok without standing out.
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Don't have the advanced stats to make it super useful (hitouts to advantage ect.), but did a quick comparison of Bailey Williams stats against his main opponents stats (excluded r1 as they had no main ruck, except hitouts which I calculated as Greenwood + Comben)
SEASON AVERAGES: HO D TC CP CM
BBW. 22.5 12 3.3 6.8 0.3
Opponent. 36.8 19.7 5.7 11.7 0.7
Not killing it, but considering the rucks he's played against (Darcy, Grundy AA-level rucks, Flynn about 3 years of development ahead of Bailey) not many complaints. Only really disappointing game so fair was r1, where he really failed to press his advantage against very inexperienced non-ruckmen. Not sure if he'll make it, but ticks so far, and justifying his place on the list.
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SEASON AVERAGES: HO D TC CP CM
BBW. 22.5 12 3.3 6.8 0.3
Opponent. 36.8 19.7 5.7 11.7 0.7
Not killing it, but considering the rucks he's played against (Darcy, Grundy AA-level rucks, Flynn about 3 years of development ahead of Bailey) not many complaints. Only really disappointing game so fair was r1, where he really failed to press his advantage against very inexperienced non-ruckmen. Not sure if he'll make it, but ticks so far, and justifying his place on the list.
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Ginbey, Culley and Hewett just got an introduction to what we hope they become in another 5 years.
Ginbey on Oliver was great. Ginbey tagging a ball magnet gets him involved and he's quick enough to stay with most big mids. And lay a tackle, or swoop on a loose ball.
Felt Culley learned alot. He got in there close and lockrd alot of ball in. Was first to it but tackled with no prior so another ball up. In time he will get stronger and learn to break free and dish it off.
Tough day at work for our kids but I bet they enjoyed the challenge.
He is most definatly not being played in his prefered and best position IMO.
Clark should play on ball, centre. One thing I did notice is he doesnt have great pace or high level speed. He does have great endurance.
Good tackler, great intent and decent skills. Needs to be moved closer to the action but we have kids we want to develop there.
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I really hope he gets a chance to play on ball for a decent amount of time.
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who out of Jai Culley, Connor West, Greg Clark, Xavier O’Neill and Zane Trew is going to make it as AFL midfielders"
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No definite answer yet
If he held onto a couple of those contested marks and snuck that goal though he would've been listed as one of our best. He's only played like 8 or 9 games? Just needs a run at a few consecutive games to build some form.
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Yeah he has been good hopefully he can get some more quality around him. Particularly as the kids develop.
Hopefully Yeo around him in a few weeks and shuey too. It’ll also help Ginbey more than anyone
Simmo said that having Sheed and Shuey in there helps the young kids. Tend to agree Yeo, Sheed, Shuey, Kelly and Gaff plus whatever kids we are pumping games into is preferable to the current situation.
I like Sheed and Gaffs been better last two weeks but I don’t think that helps as much tbf. they both play more like 3rd/4th on ballers and I’d say their the ones competing with the kids. Yeo/Shuey are more of the extractors of first recieve types that are able to take the load of the likes of TK and Ginbey
I think naturally as the form of Ginbey, Chesser, Hewett, Edwards and Culley improves the incumbents will lose their spots. Definitely missed Shuey this weekend past.
Was happy with Clarke and Petrevski-Seton they are doing there job
Culley we need to persist with along with Hough
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Edwards dont like at all so soft at the footy and is very one paced
Connor West looked to small though tackled well but didnt impact
Hewitt endurance is a problem like to see him playing wafl racking 25+ a few weeks then bring him back,
make him play 95% game time at wafl level then when he has adjusted bring him back
Culley we need to persist with along with Hough
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Edwards dont like at all so soft at the footy and is very one paced
Connor West looked to small though tackled well but didnt impact
Hewitt endurance is a problem like to see him playing wafl racking 25+ a few weeks then bring him back,
make him play 95% game time at wafl level then when he has adjusted bring him back
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63% of his possessions were contested, and he was 5th for them overall. Harsh marker.
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What I like about Luke Edwards is his evasiveness and composure in tight. It’s Pendlebury like how he somehow manages to find space without panicking
Made a very good pass under pressure to SPS in the 3rd quarter- unfortunately Samo dropped the mark he’d normally swallow and it resulted in a turnover that cost us a goal
There’s definitely something to work with
And no, I’m not suggesting he’s even close to being as good as Pendlebury
Made a very good pass under pressure to SPS in the 3rd quarter- unfortunately Samo dropped the mark he’d normally swallow and it resulted in a turnover that cost us a goal
There’s definitely something to work with
And no, I’m not suggesting he’s even close to being as good as Pendlebury
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I felt Hewitt was getting to good positions to receive the ball but often team-mates fumbled or turned the ball over ..He`s getting valuable experience and building fitness so we need to keep fast tracking his development ..
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From the first few games both Sheed and Gaff have been calling for the handball received from our rookies way too much to the point it's detrimental to the play. Both of them are experienced enough to know just coz you're open doesn't mean you should get the ball. Thankfully Long doesn't give a shit and has made his own decisions a few times.
You're correct. Despite not being fleet afoot he does have an extra half second to assess and dispose of the ball. Colloquially we as football fans describe that as 'Pendlebury-like', or if you want to get truly disgusting then 'Diesel-like' as that's the best way to get the idea across despite him not being on either of those player's levels.
Yet.
Yeah loved it when he drilled Cripps with a pass against Giants and ignored Sheed. Having said that maybe with Sheed and Shuey in there we hold up a bit longer vs Dee's particularly with Ginbey and other youngsters fatiguing faster.
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Haven't seen the game*, but based on Rounds 2 and 3 (and previous years) I just can't see why Gaff is spending so much time in the midfield. In Round 1 he played pure wing I thought it was the best game he had played in a long time.
So did Gaff actually play well against the Demons? I'm reading quite a few articles praising his performance but not sure if they've just superficially watched the game then had a look at the stats sheet and seen Gaff got 24 possies... Viewing the game through that sort of prism I can definitely see how you'd think he was playing well...
* debating whether to subject myself to it. I said to myself even though we're destined for a bottom four finish, I would watch all of our games this year but that's a lot easier said than done, especially when I'm based in the UK and a lot of games are 7am on a Sunday morning.
So did Gaff actually play well against the Demons? I'm reading quite a few articles praising his performance but not sure if they've just superficially watched the game then had a look at the stats sheet and seen Gaff got 24 possies... Viewing the game through that sort of prism I can definitely see how you'd think he was playing well...
* debating whether to subject myself to it. I said to myself even though we're destined for a bottom four finish, I would watch all of our games this year but that's a lot easier said than done, especially when I'm based in the UK and a lot of games are 7am on a Sunday morning.
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