Autopsy Round 5, 2024 - Suns destroy hopeless Hawks

[Roger Rogerson]

Ginnivan gets a bump in the back… Mac Andrews just waltzes off to bench to get a drink of water.

No one stood up for him.

Not even the umpire hey? What a joke.

 

[extractasam]

Absolutely disgraceful draw for a bottom 3 club. The way we have played hasn't helped things but clearly there's no intention from the AFL to give us a leg up unlike their mates down in sleepy hollow. We would have played everyone who finished in the 8 last year besides the Giants by round 11. In what world is that fair?. Instead of just accepting it like the club has make a point that it is not acceptable. Is this punishment for the Cyril Rioli saga?. They can GAGF as far as I'm concerned.

Nothing worse than when you get a tough draw, then the first “easier” game you get based off the strength of teams when fixture was made ends up being a tough game because the side has turned a corner

 

[Hodgey 15]

I've never seen Sammy so flat in a post game presser.

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[Mr Lizard]

The different stages of watching Gold Coast v Hawks

 

[Louis Litt]

My sincerest apologies to Port, Freo fans & the wider AFL audience. That tripe was not worthy of free to air coverage. A sad indictment of what we've become. A rabble.

Hawthorn is broken & each week I'm less convinced that Mitchell is the prodigal son.

 

[Louis Litt]

My sincerest apologies to Port, Freo fans & the wider AFL audience. That tripe was not worthy of free to air coverage. A sad indictment of what we've become. A rabble.

Hawthorn is broken & each week I'm less convinced that Mitchell is the prodigal son.

Is growers part of the problem. Sam has got to stop thinking about potential and concern himself with delivery. Hi pressers are like journalism excuses and reason which don’t exists
.

 

[bigmaxi]

Essendon is 6 flags not 8

I feel better already

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

Is growers part of the problem. Sam has got to stop thinking about potential and concern himself with delivery. Hi pressers are like journalism excuses and reason which don’t exists
.

I don’t understand your point about Mitchell. Because if you are having a go at what he said in this presser, I am not sure what you are expecting

 

[jerry_atrick]

Yeah - no doubt about it.. for Sam, like us, it was a really disappointing performance by the team. But, while we were well and truly smashed, admittedly watching the game with my mate, Wolfy Blass, there were a few positives to take from the game - apart from being positively crap.

First, McGuinnes can play. And he can kick.. that is something we haven't seen too much of. Despite Newk not having a great game (either carrying an injury or a baby), he did quite a few one-pointers and still contributed. Amon, while out of position, held well; Scrimma, though not being AFL standard, showed he can dig in.

Ginnivan is pure class, and D'Amrosio is also up there. Impey also worked hard down back, which is out of position. Frosty, quite out of character, showed he does have footy sense with that slick pass I think in the third (may have been the fourth - by that stage Wolfie and I were very deep in thought) that ended up with a Moore goal. Even Seamus showed a bit of spark.

We didn't get our hands on the footy; we tried to run through blokes bigger and better at tackling... But the real problem that I saw was a team that either didn't have or wasn't playing to a plan... In addition, the players don't seem to have confidence in themselves or their team mates; very few leading for or going in hard for the ball; hardly anything ont he overlap; and then not willing to back their team mates in and run off for the quick handpass.

I also think the umpiring didn;'t do us favours and I have no idea what Ginnivan did in a previous life, but even the line commentator was carrying on about how there is a deadset bias against him. The umpiring was not the difference in win or loss, but it was worth a few to them.

We were beaten by a better team.. We don't have the best list in the comp, but we are nowhere near the worst either. On our day against the better teams on their day, we can hold our own, but the signs are worrying at the moment. Dimma had a tough day at the office; the midfield were poor; undue pressure on our ramshackle defence and no run into the forward line.

I may be the only one seeing it, so I maybe totally wrong, but I think Chols is way too lacksadaisical. Last week hewas cavalier in approaching the ball and he seemed it for most of yesterday. Ultimately, where we have a team or a system that makes Frost look like a talented and rational player, we are in for a long haul.

 

[Yardie]

Is growers part of the problem. Sam has got to stop thinking about potential and concern himself with delivery. Hi pressers are like journalism excuses and reason which don’t exists
.

Hawthorn are like Adelaide, what is the game plane and why are there somany 5.0midgets in defence and forwards. For hawthorn why so many vanilla soft tops like McKenzie.
Grow a pa,ir

Sober up and then post again so we can understand what you are on about.

 

[bindas12]

the one things that's probably not been made much of, is that the way Gold Coast played with incredible pressure and the talent to match, they're looking a top 4 lock if they keep going like this.

 

[Louis Litt]

We're a young side with 7 best 22 players missing, what do people expect to happen?


Blanck, CJ, Lewis, Breust, Wingard, Day, Watson and we will be a far better side.

There is nothing in the out that will propel us forward. We have average players, we pick the wrong players

 

[extractasam]

the one things that's probably not been made much of, is that the way Gold Coast played with incredible pressure and the talent to match, they're looking a top 4 lock if they keep going like this.

As bad as we were, they were very good.

A quick read on their board and some of their supporters are saying that’s as good a 4 quarter performance they’ve seen for a long time

 

[Delecate Des]

OMG, we're not in that bad a shape are we?

No, but if you listen to some posters, we be like

 

[Ka Norkers]

I have already posted once on this game, and won't do so again. Just the positives, few as they were, but nobody needs to detail the negatives, we all saw them.
However, please get real. Are we in bad shape? Err, yes, the worst shape we have been in since 1970. In 1970, Japanese soldiers were still hiding out in the jungle from a war that ended 80 years ago. Queen Elizabeth was a young woman and Bob Hawke was 40 years old. Hell, 1970 was a long long time ago.
Make no mistake, if that performance is repeated against North this weekend, Sam Mitchell will see the first genuine seeds of discontent in the press, and that usually signals the beginning of the end, even if the end is still three years away.
Likely to be receiving 3/21 or even 2/20 in this year's draft, assuming the monkeys of the AFL commission withdraw further concessions to North. They better bloody well do a good job on those picks this time.

 

[SSSSSS]

We seem to go into our shell as a club when things don't go out way early. A few bad calls against us and we lose the plot.

We need a quarter time break to reset our mentality.

We desperately need our leaders to step up and get our mindset on track during the game. Can't rely on Sam and the coaches to get our heads switched on. Teams will punish us for too long if we aren't mentally on.

 

[tommyk72]

We seem to go into our shell as a club when things don't go out way early. A few bad calls against us and we lose the plot.

We need a quarter time break to reset our mentality.

We desperately need our leaders to step up and get our mindset on track during the game. Can't rely on Sam and the coaches to get our heads switched on. Teams will punish us for too long if we aren't mentally on.

Agreed. But I’ve also noticed that we have had a lot of calls the last 5 weeks. Off the top of my head, in at least three, if not four, we had a 50/50 (or worse) free against in the first 10 minutes that resulted in a goal. Must be so demoralising.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

A Harley Reid has what we don’t have. A star.

Yes, if I knew Harley Reid was this good, I'd have moved heaven and earth for #1 pick. Too late now.

 

[FB19]

I have already posted once on this game, and won't do so again. Just the positives, few as they were, but nobody needs to detail the negatives, we all saw them.
However, please get real. Are we in bad shape? Err, yes, the worst shape we have been in since 1970. In 1970, Japanese soldiers were still hiding out in the jungle from a war that ended 80 years ago. Queen Elizabeth was a young woman and Bob Hawke was 40 years old. Hell, 1970 was a long long time ago.
Make no mistake, if that performance is repeated against North this weekend, Sam Mitchell will see the first genuine seeds of discontent in the press, and that usually signals the beginning of the end, even if the end is still three years away.
Likely to be receiving 3/21 or even 2/20 in this year's draft, assuming the monkeys of the AFL commission withdraw further concessions to North. They better bloody well do a good job on those picks this time.

Except we traded away our second round pick for Collingwoods as part of the ginnivan trade. We are lucky so far they are poor so it’s not a large gap long may it continue! Also remember the second round starts at 21 this year with the 2 shinbeggars picks the AFL gave them last year and we also don’t have a 3rd round pick or a fourth which went to lions.So right now we have 2/26/77.

 

[nelk boys]

Yes, if I knew Harley Reid was this good, I'd have moved heaven and earth for #1 pick. Too late now.

I think everyone knew mate.

 

[Bedi]

Yeah - no doubt about it.. for Sam, like us, it was a really disappointing performance by the team. But, while we were well and truly smashed, admittedly watching the game with my mate, Wolfy Blass, there were a few positives to take from the game - apart from being positively crap.

First, McGuinnes can play. And he can kick.. that is something we haven't seen too much of. Despite Newk not having a great game (either carrying an injury or a baby), he did quite a few one-pointers and still contributed. Amon, while out of position, held well; Scrimma, though not being AFL standard, showed he can dig in.

Ginnivan is pure class, and D'Amrosio is also up there. Impey also worked hard down back, which is out of position. Frosty, quite out of character, showed he does have footy sense with that slick pass I think in the third (may have been the fourth - by that stage Wolfie and I were very deep in thought) that ended up with a Moore goal. Even Seamus showed a bit of spark.

We didn't get our hands on the footy; we tried to run through blokes bigger and better at tackling... But the real problem that I saw was a team that either didn't have or wasn't playing to a plan... In addition, the players don't seem to have confidence in themselves or their team mates; very few leading for or going in hard for the ball; hardly anything ont he overlap; and then not willing to back their team mates in and run off for the quick handpass.

I also think the umpiring didn;'t do us favours and I have no idea what Ginnivan did in a previous life, but even the line commentator was carrying on about how there is a deadset bias against him. The umpiring was not the difference in win or loss, but it was worth a few to them.

We were beaten by a better team.. We don't have the best list in the comp, but we are nowhere near the worst either. On our day against the better teams on their day, we can hold our own, but the signs are worrying at the moment. Dimma had a tough day at the office; the midfield were poor; undue pressure on our ramshackle defence and no run into the forward line.

I may be the only one seeing it, so I maybe totally wrong, but I think Chols is way too lacksadaisical. Last week hewas cavalier in approaching the ball and he seemed it for most of yesterday. Ultimately, where we have a team or a system that makes Frost look like a talented and rational player, we are in for a long haul.

Chol's too cool to run, ambling is more his style. But he's one player i can't fault this year. Obviously he was born in Sudan, but very interested to know of his lineage as he def doesn't look Sudanese. More West African in appearance.

 

[Brucie Buffer]

Yeah - no doubt about it.. for Sam, like us, it was a really disappointing performance by the team. But, while we were well and truly smashed, admittedly watching the game with my mate, Wolfy Blass, there were a few positives to take from the game - apart from being positively crap.

First, McGuinnes can play. And he can kick.. that is something we haven't seen too much of. Despite Newk not having a great game (either carrying an injury or a baby), he did quite a few one-pointers and still contributed. Amon, while out of position, held well; Scrimma, though not being AFL standard, showed he can dig in.

Ginnivan is pure class, and D'Amrosio is also up there. Impey also worked hard down back, which is out of position. Frosty, quite out of character, showed he does have footy sense with that slick pass I think in the third (may have been the fourth - by that stage Wolfie and I were very deep in thought) that ended up with a Moore goal. Even Seamus showed a bit of spark.

We didn't get our hands on the footy; we tried to run through blokes bigger and better at tackling... But the real problem that I saw was a team that either didn't have or wasn't playing to a plan... In addition, the players don't seem to have confidence in themselves or their team mates; very few leading for or going in hard for the ball; hardly anything ont he overlap; and then not willing to back their team mates in and run off for the quick handpass.

I also think the umpiring didn;'t do us favours and I have no idea what Ginnivan did in a previous life, but even the line commentator was carrying on about how there is a deadset bias against him. The umpiring was not the difference in win or loss, but it was worth a few to them.

We were beaten by a better team.. We don't have the best list in the comp, but we are nowhere near the worst either. On our day against the better teams on their day, we can hold our own, but the signs are worrying at the moment. Dimma had a tough day at the office; the midfield were poor; undue pressure on our ramshackle defence and no run into the forward line.

I may be the only one seeing it, so I maybe totally wrong, but I think Chols is way too lacksadaisical. Last week hewas cavalier in approaching the ball and he seemed it for most of yesterday. Ultimately, where we have a team or a system that makes Frost look like a talented and rational player, we are in for a long haul.

I stopped reading at Scrimma not being AFL standard, you’re ****ing kidding aren’t you?

 

[Simon Crawshay]

I stopped reading at Scrimma not being AFL standard, you’re ******* kidding aren’t you?

I’d argue based on his performances this season Scrimmers is one of the handful of players on our list who actually does look AFL standard!

 

[toomanysquibs]

Agreed. But I’ve also noticed that we have had a lot of calls the last 5 weeks. Off the top of my head, in at least three, if not four, we had a 50/50 (or worse) free against in the first 10 minutes that resulted in a goal. Must be so demoralising.

I don't know if it's what happens when you're a bottom side these days, but we were losing goals to frees that just weren't there last year also. Or frees to us were missed in front of opposition goal.

The whole world can seem against you when things are going bad. But the perception of how good your team is shouldn't come into play with the umpiring.

Was like an Adelaide or WC game when those teams are rolling.

Anyway, shouldn't talk about umpiring. Our best teams could overcome it when they had to.

 

[marklar]

Thought i would be glass half full and add some stats to my earlier post

Here's a list of AFL premiership winners since 1958:

Can't compare the games of 'yore to the modern game, it's not like you can run through an opponent and have the umpire go "LOL good one mate" anymore.