Its called depth. Great clubs have it. Thanks, we'll take that on board Andy.
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You're funny. He's been dropped once this year off the back of an abysmal performance in defence. He's a backup to a number of taller players, just behind a few though.
Thank you. I do my best.
yeah, its pretty obvious by now that we see his role differently. Clearly your vision more closely resembles that of the club based on their selections, I'm not denying that. But I see him as a complimentary player to talia, lever and Kelly and being able to be the interceptor back there where his pace won't be exposed, and his good decision making will be a real asset. And same for up forward, if Jenkins tex betts and McGovern are struggling and we are getting a lot of inside 50's he can go roam around up there and draw a defender away from them or provide as an extra target.
Clearly as I said the club sees it your way more than mine or he would be playing every week.
That's Lever's job.
We need a 2nd genuine tall defender. The fact Keath is a very good athlete means he won't get exposed by a mismatch on a deep small either.
He's had some excellent moments in his 3 games along with some moments highlighting his inexperience. Steep learning curve but he's performing well and is rightly in our best 22 atm and the perfect fit structurally.
I'd also add, playing on the last line exposes every little mistake. If he played up the ground a lot of the little things would get glossed over but he's got absolutely nowhere to hide and he's done very well.
Imagine Talia gets injured during the game this week...who could play on Daniher? Keath is easily the best option.
No it's not. Lever gets a man every week. He's a KPD as we (as in this thread, not me and you specifically) discussed last week. He is very good at reading the play and intercepting, but he could still do that with otten in the team. I'm talking about for periods in matches where the ball is coming in thick and fast and everyone is worried about their own man.
And lever doesn't go forward. Totally different role.
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Out Mackay and Talia
In: Seed Otten
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Good preparation this week. Six day break going into enemy territory against a team that must win. They'll get 45k at Etihad and it will be an electric atmosphere. Bombers can be a hot n cold team but when they're on they're really on. Could get ambushed like the Collingwood game if we're not on from the start. Can't wait for it.
I'd put MacKay in cotton wool for the rest of the season and get him cherry ripe for next year.
We would miss his finals performances but his long term career is more important.
We would miss his finals performances but his long term career is more important.
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Notwithstanding Mackay's been alright for the last few weeks, we effectively played a man short all night due to his early injury.
And still blitzed them.
And still blitzed them.
I dont think he would be frustrated, he is a fantastic depth player that can slot in, imagine if Dear was our go to man and not Otten
Otten saved our arse on a couple of occasions earlier this year when we copped injuries and if the cards fall the wrong way with injury may be required to do so again
Harto will slot straight in infront of Otten, as will all the forwards and talia and lever
Keath has slotted in infront of him ATM but the jury is still out there he has shown something but Harto would be your pick there when ready, if we are playing a super tall forward line Keath will get the nod over Otten, but Otten may get the nod at players around 194 as he is far cooler and smarter footballer
With the amount of talls we play which is 8 there is an enormous chance he will get a run come finals
Playesr that we have in depth come finals
Otten
Cheney
Keath (given harto takes his spot)
ROB (if Sauce goes down)
Milera
Beech
Wigg
Gooch
Thommo (emergency situation)
Menzel
Hampton will not be fit
Our first year players apart from Gooch (who is only a maybe) simply arent ready neither is Gore ,Doedee
Probably going to be unchanged this week. Mackay only has a corkie, so he should be right to go. Hopefully Talia's iced groin was preventative, and Cameron will be OK.
For the fans of Wigg... he won't be named in the 25, even if Mackay is injured.
For the fans of Wigg... he won't be named in the 25, even if Mackay is injured.
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Most likely missing nothing Orazio and Merrett. Probably their 2 most improved players.
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Any word of Reilly O'Briens back? I was hoping to give Sauce a freshen up weekend but he may not need one considering how he's tracking this season and that there is already a bye week.
Still think we need to look at drafting a good draft prospect this year. Let them learn their craft in the Magoo's for a few years under Sauce
Still think we need to look at drafting a good draft prospect this year. Let them learn their craft in the Magoo's for a few years under Sauce
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Out- Talia and McKay
In- Otten and Seedsman
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No, no, no.
Lyon tried that with the Saints and Freo. How many flags did that give him?
Port had a 3 day break last week to try and freshen up. How did that go?
Betts trained his arse off to get back in the side. It was probably the opposite of "freshening" up for him. He would have worked harder.
We have a week between the last game of the round and finals. That is all you need.
Gotta keep momentum. Gotta finish top 2 and then look at that elusive flag. Don't tempt fate by tinkering with what is working.
I think you're just making up a couple of roles to fit Otten in. But, let's say that your way crestes our best 22, who do you drop to fit your charge in.
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We can't win without Fantasia and Merrett. You guys should take a gamble and rest some important players that need to go deep into September.
Mackay is a player that needs to be fully fit to play his role. I think he could miss if it was a bad one.
Well initially Hartigan. But now that he's out and keath has taken that role I would drop keath. 3 key defenders plus otten as the interceptor. I don't see a need for 4 key defenders against most sides. Sure you could mount an argument for teams that have a forward line like ours for 4 key position defenders and I would possibly agree on occasion, but for the most part I see 3 KPD plus otten for support and ability to go forward when we are dominating as the best option.
And I wouldn't be so against keath playing and getting games in to him next yea as he is young or at least new, and I don't have a full opinion on whether he can play or not. As others mentioned he looked ok at times and not so great at others. But leading in to a finals series, I don't want an unknown quantity that may cost us the match. Now is not the time to be blooding a player for experience imo.
So you stated Lever doesn't play an intercept role because he has a player. Keath and Hartigan definitely take key forwards and you want to swap out the 2nd KPD for an intercept marker? You are confirmed as making up roles to fit in Otten. If he replaces Keath (or Hartigan) it's to play as a genuine KPD.
You're either not reading what I said or making it up as you go along. I said lever gets a man every week, like you sai last week he's a KPD. But I also said he's very good at intercepting. He's a good player, he reads the play well. He leaves his man to do so. And he does it well. But he's still a KPD that intercepts.
Nowhere did I state lever is not a intercept player. Nowhere.
Keith and Hartigan do definitely take key forwards, but I don't think they take the 2nd best and if they do I don't think they should.
Talia Takes the best, then lever, then Kelly. That covers most teams if you have otten in as the interceptor that can swing forward when we need him. It's not creating a role, it's a luxury of having a very strong backline and a very strong forward line that we could use ottens strengths to our advantage.
Just because you say if we replace keath or Hartigan with otten it's to take their exact role doesn't make it true. And If you are making any attempt at all to see what I am saying you would realise that that's not what I'm saying at all. Quite the opposite.
To summarise again- I don't believe we need a 4th lock down "defender" that does nothing but spoil. I would rather the versatility otten brings. I don't think we need keath or Hartigan when we have talia lever and Kelly to lockdown on most key forwards. I would rather otten there for support when needed than an inexperienced unproven keath going in to finals.
And again, you can disagree. But you won't be changing my opinion. I think otten is underrated by the afc and supporters and deserves better treatment for the crucial roles he has played for us this year, and what he has provided is being severely underplayed by posts like yours and the role he offers is a unique one which could be the difference in a final.
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I think it's a tricky decision.
With the week off I'd hesitate resting players.
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