List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

[Keys]

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Any evidence to back that up? He is a bad player in the worst team in the comp. Wouldn't get a game for majority of teams.

He played in two Richmond premiership sides (2017 and 2020), he missed the 2019 flag through injury, he played 20 or more games for the Tigers in every season since the 2020 flag except for this one.

Richmond haven’t been terrible for that long and he’s never struggled to get a game for them.

 

[Patterz123]

I think if we turn TB into a first rounder (12ish) + a second round pick on traded for Baker, would be a decent result.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Please choose Freo, you are NOT worth a pick before 20.

 

[Hoskin300]

He played in two Richmond premiership sides (2017 and 2020), he missed the 2019 flag through injury, he played 20 or more games for the Tigers in every season since the 2020 flag except for this one.

Richmond haven’t been terrible for that long and he’s never struggled to get a game for them.

Are we seriously quoting 2017 / 2020 performances to justify a players current level of ability? He also wasnt playing as an inside mid back then. The game has also changed to value speed and skill. Is Sheed still AFL quality?

His form in the midfield this year was a level below ginbeys. Correcting for gametime he is only slightly better than Trew. He isnt good.

 

[Optemizer]

According to a mate of his the Eagles are trying to recruit Dockers Nathan O'Driscoll not sure if he was interested though.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

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Whoa!!!!
Hey I’m gonna be having a party soon, can I PM you and see if you could help out

 

[TY24]

Richmond supporter that’s apparently itk

 

[Grahame]

There are obviously other factors at play.


He literally had a near death experience from a work related injury. Club medico's didnt do so well.

He has had alot of time lying in bed in alot of pain. Alot of pain.

And I would suggest he came to the conclusion that due to all the other reasons. Off field. Drug use. Lack of effort. Etc. He came to the conclusion Im not putting my body on the line again for this club and this group of unprofessional party boys.

It isnt hard to understand really.

All completely feasible. BUT. The bit about wanting to go to a big club and play in front of big crowds, if true, if true, so he can enhance his brand … kinda undercuts the sincerity of the rest.

If his primary concern is Melbourne’s poor culture then the size or whereabouts of the club would be very much secondary. Surely?

 

[Keys]

from all reports there was a handshake agreement by the old WCE management to increase his contract value given the huge increase to the salary cap.

its just funny that it is now we draw a line in the sand regarding this when there were old credits crew basically living their final years on such arrangements.

New list manager and CEO

What we’re doing with Barrass now is the type of thing we’ve been criticised for not doing in the past- cashing in an an older players trade value to regenerate the list

I hate that we’re losing Barrass and it’ll hurt watching him play for Hawthorn but in the cold light of day it’s the right list management decision

 

[TY24]

He is bad this board is just getting desperate for quick fixes.

Yeah, I'm sure everyone here thinks someone who averages 17 disposals a game is the only thing stopping us from shooting back up the ladder.

 

[Obeanie1]

Are we seriously quoting 2017 / 2020 performances to justify a players current level of ability? He also wasnt playing as an inside mid back then. The game has also changed to value speed and skill. Is Sheed still AFL quality?

His form in the midfield this year was a level below ginbeys. Correcting for gametime he is only slightly better than Trew. He isnt good.

He's a darn sight better AFL footballer than you are in posting reasonable views on Bigfooty.

That's for sure.

He is an upgrade on any of Gaff, Trew, Jones, L Edwards or Sheed. No debate.

Those players get let go replaced by the likes of Graham and Baker our list is stronger.

 

[Hook461123]

List Strategy
1. Bring in high quality youf via the draft and sure up midfield with hardened bodies to suport said youf.
2. Find some outside pace with good kicking skills and penetration.

Delist/Retire/Trade
main: Gaff, Witherden, Rotham, Jones, LEdwards, Burgiel
rookie: Trew, Rawlinson, Culley
Trade: Barrass + 45 (12&30), Darling (45), Ryan (26)

9 main spots (-1 for Longs return) and 3 rookie

FA: Parfitt or Graham but not both
Trade in: Peatling (30 received from Hawks), Baker (F2)

Draft 3, 12, 23, 26, 59
Draper, TT, Moreas, Davis, Champion

Gives us some speed and class around the ball. Would still leave us a big ruck size hole and we would need to develop another KPD with an AReid or Barnett.

A future midfield of Reid, Draper, Hewett, Peatling, Moreas, Davis, Hutch is a good starting point.
With some run off the backline via TT, Ginbey, HJ & Hough.

Make it happen Clarkey

 

[Obeanie1]

I hope the Parfitt interest is because we are cooling on Baker given what Richmond have requested as the price.

Parfitt and Edwards for free would be better than Edwards and Baker for pick ~20

Edwards?

 

[stallon]

Edwards?

I think Luke Edwards is gettable for free this offseason if we were keen

 

[Wormkilla]

Whats one good reason to waste a first or second round draft pick to trade in Baker - riddle me this. I'll wait.

 

[Obeanie1]

List Strategy
1. Bring in high quality youf via the draft and sure up midfield with hardened bodies to suport said youf.
2. Find some outside pace with good kicking skills and penetration.

Delist/Retire/Trade
main: Gaff, Witherden, Rotham, Jones, LEdwards, Burgiel
rookie: Trew, Rawlinson, Culley
Trade: Barrass + 45 (12&30), Darling (45), Ryan (26)

9 main spots (-1 for Longs return) and 3 rookie

FA: Parfitt or Graham but not both
Trade in: Peatling (30 received from Hawks), Baker (F2)

Draft 3, 12, 23, 26, 59
Draper, TT, Moreas, Davis, Champion

Gives us some speed and class around the ball. Would still leave us a big ruck size hole and we would need to develop another KPD with an AReid or Barnett.

A future midfield of Reid, Draper, Hewett, Peatling, Moreas, Davis, Hutch is a good starting point.
With some run off the backline via TT, Ginbey, HJ & Hough.

Make it happen Clarkey

Pick 12 likely doesn't get Travagalia.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Its very desperate on our behalf. Imagine losing Barrass because we didnt want to pay up and then signing Graham.

We need a coach to come in and veto it.

 

[stallon]

Pick 12 likely doesn't get Travagalia.

Could just swap TT and Moraes for Lindsay and Oliver. Similar roles, idea is the same

 

[Obeanie1]

I think Luke Edwards is gettable for free this offseason if we were keen

I'm lost.

The Luke Edwards already on our list?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Are we seriously quoting 2017 / 2020 performances to justify a players current level of ability? He also wasnt playing as an inside mid back then. The game has also changed to value speed and skill. Is Sheed still AFL quality?

His form in the midfield this year was a level below ginbeys. Correcting for gametime he is only slightly better than Trew. He isnt good.

I find it hilarious that you asked for evidence, I gave you evidence and your response is basically “nah he sucks”.

Good chat.

 

[stallon]

I'm lost.

The Luke Edwards already on our list?

yep, we could delist then pick him up again

 

[Bacchus]

Please choose Freo, you are NOT worth a pick before 20.

Sounds like we (and probably Fremantle) are refusing the asking price which is good.

Otherwise a destination would be announced.

A first round pick is too high for Baker.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I think there’s a lot of people conflating “Graham could add some discipline and defensive structure to our midfield, which would be nice” with “we are a Jack Graham

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11.8

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away from turning this all around”.

It’s ok to incrementally raise your floor, while using the top end of the draft to add the sizzle.

 

[Grahame]

Sounds like we (and probably Fremantle) are refusing the asking price which is good.

Otherwise a destination would be announced.

A first round pick is too high for Baker.

Re Baker, Richmond could be playing us against Freo. Just like we’re doing with TB - playing Haw against …

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Edwards?

Graham. Brain thinking on thing, fingers typing another.