List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

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  2.9

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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Both parties (Barrass and Swans) have pissed each other off and his reason for moving to Sydney was his sister being there and she is now in Melbourne.

Almost zero chance.

I think desperate times call for desperate begging though. Sydney are not flush with better options is all

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Curtin played 6% game time today, bringing his average time on ground down to 31% over 4 games. He can't be happy with his situation there.

If he was to ask for a trade this year how much is too much to give for him?

1st rounder from the Hawks for Curtin and a 2nd rounder?
The 2+23 for 4+Curtin?

The clear big brain move is to load up mids this draft .

Next draft take cody Curtin who is actually a KPP with our first .

2026 when Daniel Curtin is OOC take him using our future (2027) 1st . This will also let us gauge if Daniel Curtin makes it as a mid or reverts back to defence . Let the crows work that out .

That's having our cake and eating it too .

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

I reckon that you can throw a blanket over Smith, FOS, Draper, Ashcroft and Smillie. I know we are getting another quality young mid to go with Harley, Hewett, Ginbey and the rest. Good draft depth this year.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

For me the Curtin situations issue is if we try trade for him now, Adelaide will want pick 3... which Daniel Curtin isnt worth

Id simply wait til next year, re asses and try target him then. If he comes, good. If he doesnt then we move on to never discuss the subject again

No they won't. Hasn't proved anything at AFL level.

I touted this before. If they rate Draper as a mid they see at the crows for life and suspect Curtin is a flight risk then...

Pick 2 and 23 for 4 and Curtin would be a no brainer.

If he does have a better 2 yrs and is consistently in the team lighting it up like reid or sheezel or mckercher then at that time, the cost to get him will be 2 top 10 picks. So, if we think he would fit our midfield, either we find a way to nab him now, or find ourselves in the same situation we did with TK.

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[Obeanie1]

BWilliams will most likely seek a trade if English comes in and that works for most I would’ve thought. Sounds like he considers himself a forward and he really would be 5-6th on that depth chart next year. 3rd on the ruck depth chart.

As most have said here, Dees would probably be in the hunt and would allow Petty to play back. Somehow linked to HEdwards

Bailey to the Dees makes alot of sense. They need a backup for Gawn and they need to find another tall forward spoil for Fritsch.

 

[Elite Pete]

I reckon that you can throw a blanket over Smith, FOS, Draper, Ashcroft and Smillie. I know we are getting another quality young mid to go with Harley, Hewett, Ginbey and the rest. Good draft depth this year.

Draper had the bye, Richmond VFL had the bye but did Jagga or any of the rest play this weekend? Or all playing private school footy?

 

[Monocle]

Thoughts on Archer Day-Wicks? I'd quite like him with a later pick.

Agree.

 

[Elite Pete]

Bailey to the Dees makes alot of sense. They need a backup for Gawn and they need to find another tall forward spoil for Fritsch.

Yeah, allows them to play Petty back where he is more suited and they will leave HEdwards alone

 

[shooshka]

I reckon that you can throw a blanket over Smith, FOS, Draper, Ashcroft and Smillie. I know we are getting another quality young mid to go with Harley, Hewett, Ginbey and the rest. Good draft depth this year.

Agree, which is why I think a lot want to trade Barrass if it is requested.

Very even top end (so pick splitting is less valuable) and very even and deep mid range (10-30/40).

With the Hawks first pick looking more and more like double digits (10–12 depending on compo and academy/FS) that isn’t going to be enough on its own. F1 added is the dream but seems unlikely, so would prefer a 2024 2nd to a F2.

Sort out another high quality inside/balanced mid, then mid/late picks on outside mids, flankers, small forwards and a KPD


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[Obeanie1]

I mean that’s fair

Would love an explanation to why an opinion you don’t agree with is an immature rant.

The game has completely changed. The flags were five years ago. Players regress. We should just play sheed if you think previous accolates are more important than current ability.

The negativity and lack of respect shown to a multiple premiership player and one that could have been a club captain.

Sheed doesnt have the defensive intensity and consistency Graham shows every game. Graham is a leader. Sheed is far from it and is most definately living off past acheivements, his foot problems have just taken his conditioning away to the point where he just doesnt have the fitness base to compete.

 

[DRK_13]

Happy with Graham if hes a UFA. We are not giving anything up for him, and he would be a great mentor for our younger mids.

Never underestimate the impact of veterans that can lead by example, especially on the defensive side of the ball.... something we are lacking with our current veteran mids.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

If we split, which I think we will. Lalor and Travaglia for me with two of the picks

 

[stallon]

Any chance a desperate Sydney make another Tom Barass attempt? They 100% need another tall defender.

In this draft the whole pick 19,20 and then say Sheldrick looks good to me

Pick 10 plus a 2nd rounder from the Hawks would be better

 

[Hoskin300]

The negativity and lack of respect shown to a multiple premiership player and one that could have been a club captain.

Sheed doesnt have the defensive intensity and consistency Graham shows every game. Graham is a leader. Sheed is far from it and is most definately living off past acheivements, his foot problems have just taken his conditioning away to the point where he just doesnt have the fitness base to compete.

So because he won premierships four years back he’s not immune to criticism?

The way you talk about sheed is the way Richmond fans talk about graham. There’s a reason why they don’t care that he is leaving.

Duggan will play his role to a far better level.

 

[Big_Birdy]

I must admit to be a bit baffled about the negativity around getting in Jack Graham

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Jack Graham

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26

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14.7

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8.0

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2.1

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6.3

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1.8

4star

D

11.8

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5.3

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6.5

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M

2.8

3star

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4.2

5star

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1.2

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D

14.0

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6.0

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8.0

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M

1.8

2star

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7.0

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CL

3.2

5star

as a FA.

Sure if we had to trade for him it’s a different story. But he is without question an AFL quality player. We have a few his age running around who aren’t. Absolute no brainer.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

So because he won premierships four years back he’s not immune to criticism?

The way you talk about sheed is the way Richmond fans talk about graham. There’s a reason why they don’t care that he is leaving.

Duggan will play his role to a far better level.

Graham plays as a defensive mid. It’ll let Yeo/Harley/Tk be more attacking. Currently we use Yeo as defensive sweeper at centre bounce - see Yeo’s starting position on defensive side when Harley wins the clearance and handballs it forward Q1 v GCS.

Ginbey was playing that role, but looks locked in down back, and you don’t want to give it to a 1st year player or high end talent like a Hewett or Draper/Smith etc

Graham would mean Yeo spends less time on defensive side of stoppage and Duggan plays back, by far his better position.

Graham would play the same role as Rowbottom at Swans letting Heeney and Warner off the chain.

Graham unlocks our mids and strengthens our backline.

Its 450K well spent.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Draper had the bye, Richmond VFL had the bye but did Jagga or any of the rest play this weekend? Or all playing private school footy?

Oakleigh Chargers had a bye and I think APS is over for the year. Eastern Rangers with Smilie and Moraes beat the Western Jets but can't find their stats. I think Smilie was it.

 

[kobe0824]

The negativity and lack of respect shown to a multiple premiership player and one that could have been a club captain.

Sheed doesnt have the defensive intensity and consistency Graham shows every game. Graham is a leader. Sheed is far from it and is most definately living off past acheivements, his foot problems have just taken his conditioning away to the point where he just doesnt have the fitness base to compete.

Is Sheeds foot/ankle issue bad enough that they will medically retire him this year?

 

[ghostbat12]

Curtin played 6% game time today, bringing his average time on ground down to 31% over 4 games. He can't be happy with his situation there.

If he was to ask for a trade this year how much is too much to give for him?

1st rounder from the Hawks for Curtin and a 2nd rounder?
The 2+23 for 4+Curtin?

hawks pick pick may be enough. I get that we don’t want to overpay but if we rate him whilst he is under contract, we may need to give that up. For a pick 23, or slightly higher, I’d keep him if I was crows.

Thats reality.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

The main reason I'm warming to Graham is how well Ginbey is playing down back. We will need a defensive midfielder to complement Reid, Yeo, Kelly, Hewett.

 

[Hoskin300]

The main reason I'm warming to Graham is how well Ginbey is playing down back. We will need a defensive midfielder to complement Reid, Yeo, Kelly, Hewett.

Duggan can play it to a better level than graham.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Duggan can play it to a better level than graham.

Then you don’t have Duggan in his best position, and I argue that Duggan is not better as a defensive mid than Graham and is more often than not a liability in the midfield.

 

[Hoskin300]

Graham plays as a defensive mid. It’ll let Yeo/Harley/Tk be more attacking. Currently we use Yeo as defensive sweeper at centre bounce - see Yeo’s starting position on defensive side when Harley wins the clearance and handballs it forward Q1 v GCS.

Ginbey was playing that role, but looks locked in down back, and you don’t want to give it to a 1st year player or high end talent like a Hewett or Draper/Smith etc

Graham would mean Yeo spends less time on defensive side of stoppage and Duggan plays back, by far his better position.

Graham would play the same role as Rowbottom at Swans letting Heeney and Warner off the chain.

Graham unlocks our mids and strengthens our backline.

Its 450K well spent.

Duggan has played his best games this year as an inside mid. His kicking is way too trash nowadays to be a half back flanker. Just let him play the role when we need it.

Also Yeo should be able to play that role. His attributes are actually best suited to that role.

We have far far greater needs than a defensive mid.

 

[Hoskin300]

Then you don’t have Duggan in his best position, and I argue that Duggan is not better as a defensive mid than Graham and is more often than not a liability in the midfield.

Richmond fans say exactly those things about graham. Duggan has been much better than graham this year.

Duggan can’t kick. He can’t play as a half back flanker in the modern game.

 

[eaglevision]

As unscientific as it is, reading the comments on the board of the player’s existing club is a better way of getting an idea of their role and importance than the views of the receiving club’s supporters.

Overall they seem pretty happy that he’s leaving. Not Rotham leaving via FA happy, but happy all the same.