Welcome Welcome to Adelaide: Sid Draper - Pick 4, 2024

[StonesThrow]

They're fundamentally different players.

JHF has way more explosiveness and an ability to break a game open, whereas I think Draper is going to be a little more well rounded. My guess is that he will be less likely to drift in and out of games like JHF does, and have a better capacity to cover the ground.

Jeffcrowe 'A fair way off JHF level' is laughable. I've spoken to people who've coached both at Panthers and most believe Draper has a higher ceiling, and a far far better attitude.

Better attitude probably, but I agree with Jeff that they were on different levels as juniors regarding their potential. Horne had and still has best player in the comp potential. I like draper, but I wouldn't say the same thing.

 

[Crow till I die]

I'll be shocked if Port don't eventually win a flag with him.

I know they have been up the pointy end for a while now, but looking at their list, outside of Butters, JHF ands Rozee, who else is still a bonafide A grader and I'd argue after their finals campaign, Rozee is not an elite midfielder - maybe as a half forward but when the heat is on he goes missing in the middle. I could see a number of teams begin to go past them now.

So
Butters
Rozee
JHF

then down from that
Alir
Georgiades
Wines
Lukosius (assuming he performs)

Unknowns
Berry
their other picks from this draft

After that, its very average.

I think player wise our list is vastly superior to theirs as we absolutely have them covered up forward and down back and our midfield now has added some extra quality from Peatling and Draper to go with Rankine, Dawson, Soligo and hopefully Curtin. As long as ol' handbreak gets his act together and coaches properly, we should finally see that this year coming.

 

[119others]

JHF is elite above his head too.

Not denying any of this. Only that JHF explosiveness was SO much better than Drapers

 

[Danger in Texas]

Better attitude probably, but I agree with Jeff that they were on different levels as juniors regarding their potential. Horne had and still has best player in the comp potential. I like draper, but I quotient say the same thing.

JHF in 2021 was like Lalor (in the sense he was an explosive player that could impact mid and forward), but better overall 18th year production

Draper certainly has SANFL ball-winning on JHF, which is why I can see him producing at a high level even by year 2, but JHF will win more games off his own boot

Thankfully we have our own JHF equivalent in Rankine (not the same type of player obv, just in the sense both are match winners)

 

[Cromulant]

I know they have been up the pointy end for a while now, but looking at their list, outside of Butters, JHF ands Rozee, who else is still a bonafide A grader and I'd argue after their finals campaign, Rozee is not an elite midfielder - maybe as a half forward but when the heat is on he goes missing in the middle. I could see a number of teams begin to go past them now.

So
Butters
Rozee
JHF

then down from that
Alir
Georgiades
Wines
Lukosius (assuming he performs)

Unknowns
Berry
their other picks from this draft

After that, its very average.

I think player wise our list is vastly superior to theirs as we absolutely have them covered up forward and down back and our midfield now has added some extra quality from Peatling and Draper to go with Rankine, Dawson, Soligo and hopefully Curtin. As long as ol' handbreak gets his act together and coaches properly, we should finally see that this year coming.

Drew would be in the 2nd group too I would say

 

[119others]

If he had a higher ceiling according to the neutral experts ( eg head recruiters ) then he would have been a unanimous pick 1 in draft this year given it wasn’t a standout top couple like the Harley Reid or JHF year

And yet he got to pick 4

So not so laughable at all really

The south people Obvs love him as a kid and bloke and loved working with him so I can appreciate their loyalty with a statement like that

But evidence doesn’t really back it up

and even though Daicos has proven to be a better player than JHF ( so far ) , JHF has certainly proven to be a good no 1 pick already with lots to come

In JHf’s year wouldn’t he be behind Daicos and Darcy now? So only ranked third - not the standout?

 

[119others]

My nephew played with both of them at South and he had a much higher rating of Sid.

Rating covering? Character or including footy ability?

 

[119others]

JHF wasn't injured for the 1st half of his draft season as well. Had Draper showed what he did in the 2nd half of the season and more likely even more since he would have accumulate match fitness throughout the season, would he had given pick 1 a shake? There was talk that North wanted him at pick 2.

Wasn’t it reported by someone here about 4-6 weeks ago - someone reputable from memory - that 6 clubs had Draper ranked number one?

 

[Coopers]

He wont need a few years IMO.

I expect him to contribute pretty early

I hope so too.

Max was good right from the start. Rash too. But he'll still have a trajectory up from here.

 

[119others]

Drew would be in the 2nd group too I would say

And Bergman the other obvious one

BUT our list CRAPS over theirs going forward. The Power board is acknowledging it in many instances

 

[Coopers]

Jeffcrowe 'A fair way off JHF level' is laughable. I've spoken to people who've coached both at Panthers and most believe Draper has a higher ceiling, and a far far better attitude.

I don't get the attitude thing with JHF. He clearly goes hard the whole time. Wish we had him. Maybe it's the FIGJAM?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

In JHf’s year wouldn’t he be behind Daicos and Darcy now? So only ranked third - not the standout?

Yep and they are probably the best top 3 in history of the draft or on their way to be

A better thing to do would be to compare JHF to other no 1 picks of the last 10-15 years

 

[Crow till I die]

A couple on the Port board labeling Draper the Temu version of JHF...lol

I wonder what sort of comparison we could make between our players and their players.. Temu might be the ceiling when considering who they have to match up on Thilthorpe, Max Michalanney, Nick Murray etc

 

[Carmo]

JHF is in the Dangerfield/Martin level of power athlete. Freakishly good.

Which isn't to say non power athletes like Pendlebury, Neale, Daicos can't also absolutely cut a side to pieces right? Still plenty of types and styles can be damaging in the AFL.

 

[Golumless]

I think his competition is more likely Draper, Taylor, Curtin, Dowling, Berry. I see three spots for them, including a sub role.

Possible, but I do think if you're Adelaide, you're eying off a third - or fourth - small forward role for Pedlar. He's shown a fair bit in the way of goalkicking.

I'll be shocked if Port don't eventually win a flag with him.

Fremantle wasted Fyfe, so it's certainly possible (and to be fair, they did make a grand finals). Having a player like JHF at peak will make winning a flag much easier, though.

After all, Richmond built a dynasty of Martin + a decent supporting cast.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Not really on the ball with this one I don’t think.

Jason and Draper has pretty similar draft years both playing good football for Souths.

But to say one is better than the other because of draft pick is t right. Especially with 2 of the top 4 father sons. Would Daicos have got to 4 if in the open draft - no chance.

Jason was up there of course but can’t compare the drafts due to Daicos and Darcy I don’t think.

Anyway you need to look at how they were at similar stages. Right now it’s about even BUT it may change once Draper has played 50 games - can compare with Jason’s 50 at that time.

JHF would have gone pick 1 in this years draft everyday of the week

If Draper got past our pick 4 he was likely to get through to the saints at pick 8

Melbourne had no interest

That’s a fair gap

 

[119others]

Yep and they are probably the best top 3 in history of the draft or on their way to be

A better thing to do would be to compare JHF to other 1st round picks of the last 10-15 years

But with south coaches rating Drapers ceiling higher, and Jenny’s family member playing with both and rating Draper higher, does that give you hope that perhaps slightly underrating him?

Will try and dig up but someone said 4-6 weeks ago that 6 club recruiters rated Draper number one

 

[32year crow]

Draper’s jumper already had pick 4 printed on the back. So they knew. Pretty exciting for him and his family. Welcome.

 

[Scorpus]

Draper’s jumper already had pick 4 printed on the back. So they knew. Pretty exciting for him and his family. Welcome.

Nah there was a guy at the draft pressing the numbers and names onto the back of jumpers

 

[jackster83]

Which isn't to say non power athletes like Pendlebury, Neale, Daicos can't also absolutely cut a side to pieces right? Still plenty of types and styles can be damaging in the AFL.

Absolutely.

Selwood and Cotchin were crucial pieces in the Geelong and Richmond teams that won multiple flags, as players and as leaders.

 

[119others]

Draper’s jumper already had pick 4 printed on the back. So they knew. Pretty exciting for him and his family. Welcome.

The fact the jumper was so big perhaps it wasn’t the only one…if Ashcroft had been bid as expected before pick 4 then Draper would have been 5 (with probably another guernsey reflecting that)

 

[119others]

Can anyone remember who said 6 recruiters had Draper at pick one? I did find the below from Jeff but not the one I was looking for

Hearing Richmond are very keen on getting pick 2 off north

Likely picks Draper and Lalor 1 and 2

 

[Bob Neil]

Draper’s jumper already had pick 4 printed on the back. So they knew. Pretty exciting for him and his family. Welcome.

Did it have his name on it? Otherwise isn't it possible (and this is just a bit of speculation) but maybe they would have given that pick 4 jumper to any other player they may have selected if Draper wasn't available

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Possible, but I do think if you're Adelaide, you're eying off a third - or fourth - small forward role for Pedlar. He's shown a fair bit in the way of goalkicking.

I agree - I think (whether we like it or not) all those players will be tried in a half forward role. If any are playing significant midfield minutes (mainly looking at Draper here) it would mean a fair bit of rotating Rankine, Dawson, Soligo, Peatling elsewhere.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

The fact the jumper was so big perhaps it wasn’t the only one…if Ashcroft had been bid as expected before pick 4 then Draper would have been 5 (with probably another guernsey reflecting that)

It was a crows jumper that had the number pressed after selection. I suspect it was big as they weren’t sure whether we’d take Langford or Draper.