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Myers wouldnt get a game here so why bother? If we dont want to draft Darling, we should be chasing Clark or Gumbleton. I think Clark has what it takes to make it at FF.
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McKinley has become an interesting one IMO. I really like him and think his effort to add more dimensions to his game has been excellent. However, he seems to lack the agility to become a genuine utility and the Eagles seem reluctant to play him as a leading FF. With Strijk and Hams showing great skill and defensive pressure, it would suggest that McKinley has limited use to us. I wouldn't like to see him go, because despite rumour to the contrary, he's shown nothing but loyalty to the club, but he might struggle to get a game.
What about Ryder? I imagine Essendon would be very keen to hang on to him, but if we could get him, he'd be a fantastic acquisition, with the ability to play ruck, forward or even in defence, if required. One of the main problems the Eagles have is the FF position. This IMO, is due to the fact that Cox hasn't provided us with a strong contribution in this area. I'd love to NN and Ryder sharing the ruck and FF, with Kennedy at CHF, LeCras roaming around with Strijk and Hams. It would be a very dyamic forwardline.
Woosha did his normal spot on PR last night and was asked about recruitment ...which type of player they needed ? Woosha indicated as did Suma over the weekend that possibly a 100 game positional player , so Ryder and Clark would be looked at IMO , still if there was any chance of Rich ( No Chance ) I would be rapted . Woosha said they are seeking an experienced player to return but will depend on the trade being suitable etc !
Marlin, you bring up a problem I have with Suma - the guy doesn't seem to want to experiment enough and give guys a go at positions. He has categorically stated that McKinley can't play FF, but as last week showed, a small mobile group in our forward 50 is far more productive than our bigs. Suma's preconceived notions are bit out of whack with modern football, as I could see McKinley as a good FF - step quicker than big FB's, bit stronger than most small/med defenders.
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My understanding ot that is they are looking for someone who can play 100+ games with the club and not someone who has already played 100 games
I think the issue is that the coaching staff see an undersized full forward as a stop gap solution.
We're not going to win a premiership with McKinley playing as our full forward.
It may very well work against a bunch of teams in the comp but blokes like Lake, Scarlett, O'Brien, Tarrant etc will simply chop him up in finals.
The problem I have with targeting Ryder is that with the price required to secure him, you'd hope to get a very good player who fills a need.
IMO, Ryder is more of a jack of all trades, master of none. A genuine utility. He's got most plaudits based on his ruck ability but the last thing we need is another quality ruck alternative.
His CHF or CHB work does not provide value for how much he'd cost IMO.
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Dotting the i and crossing the t it has to be Gumbleton we are after. Only plausible option when you narrow it down. He is out of contract and yet to sign on. Club would hope Gumbleton walks out them and a involving a third club and us getting rid of 2nd rounder + McKinley + Notte/Spangher/Wilkes/A foam cup could get it done.
Gumby is a difficult one. He really hasn't set the world on fire at Essendon, but that has primarily been because of frequent injuries. They'd be very reluctant to let him go. And if he indicates he wants to "go home", they'd want a pretty good pick/player as compensation for their investment.
I'd be very reluctant to give up a good pick or quality player for a guy that struggles to get out onto the park.
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Perhaps Gumby + Second round pick for pick 4 + McKinley.
That would seem fair but Essendon would still feel hard done by considering his potential. But an extra first rounder gives them the opportunity to draft another quality midfielder they so lack.
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C: Naitinui
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Problem is he's not a step quicker - Mckinley's got the pace off the mark of big man but the height of a small one.
I reckon Clark could be a good option, he can take a mark on the lead and clearly won't be getting too many options either as a KP or 1st ruck at Brisbane. Does anyone know his contract status? MIght not matter if Brisbane think he's surplus to requirements.
Hugely overrating gumby imo. He hasn't shown very much and he's uncontracted. What your essentially saying is pick 30 for mckinley and pick 4 for gumbleton. How bout no.
If we do end up last i'd look at trying to downgrade pick 4 to the gold coast. Send them a player like mckinley and pick 4 for picks 9 and 11. Offer essendon pick 11 for gumby and use pick 9 on our outside mid. I think people serious undervalue the thought for gold coast of having the first 5 picks overall.
Hey if essendon dont jump at the idea of pick 11 for an uncontracted player that can just walk to the gold coast for nothing then they can get ****ed.
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I don't think Brisbane would view Clark as 'surplus to requirements' by any stretch of the imagination.
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I would think that after last season Clark would definately be a required player for the Lions. As such, he would be quite expensive on the trade table I'd imagine.
Not to mention that when he played forward last season it was mainly as a CHF, which is the last thing we need. If we were to target him, we would need to be certain of his ability to play FF.
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Yep probably both fair points. Re his trade value, I wasn't meaning to suggest they want to get rid of him, more than they might be prepared to trade given they way they are going and their current surfeit of KPFs.
As for the role he plays, agree it has been more of a CHF, and yes we would want to make sure he can play FF. But one thing that reassures me on that front is that he has shown he an take a strong contested mark.
As for the role he plays, agree it has been more of a CHF, and yes we would want to make sure he can play FF. But one thing that reassures me on that front is that he has shown he an take a strong contested mark.
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I'm not sure they're as stocked with key forwards as you suggest either. Neither Brown nor Fev are spring chickens, and apart from that there's only really young Cornelius that I'm aware of.
Bottom line is that Clark definitely wouldn't come cheap. Even if he wanted to come home and Brisbane were prepared to let him go, Freo would go after him pretty hard you'd think.
Bottom line is that Clark definitely wouldn't come cheap. Even if he wanted to come home and Brisbane were prepared to let him go, Freo would go after him pretty hard you'd think.
I agree with this assessment. Added to that Gumbleton is playing primarily as Ess's CHF not FF - so seems surplus to needs.
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Mitch Clark is under contract unfortunately so that bumps his price up tenfold. Gumbelton is out of contract and still in negotiations. We wont get pick 1 in the PSD but im sure he wouldnt mind a change to the Gold Coast.
I disagree with your assessment about Myers. I had dealings with him before he was drafted and he is an exceptional kid and an exceptional footballer. He fell out with Knights last year and has been on the back foot ever since.
To me he is worth every bit of WC's direct 2nd rounder (likely to be somewhere around the #35 mark or as part of a player swap. Dont pidgehole him as a HBF - he has way more ability than that.
A question out of left field - what about Prismall ?
Cant get a game at Ess and like Myers obviously out of favour with Knights. Does anybody think he's worthwhile ?
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Would Mckinley for Myers be a fair swap ???????
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My problem with Myers comes from the fact we have many athletic runners in our team. We need ballwinners and tall forwards first and foremost.
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Why would they want McKinley when they wont even play Mark Williams (a similar but better player). McKinley is best to be flogged of to St Kilda who really need a player like him in that forward line
IMO it would be a win both ways. Neither can get a game with their current clubs and both are likely to get a game if the swap happened.
Whilst drafting isnt exact - remember Myers went #6 in the 2007 draft so he's no mug. For those who dont believe in his ability go back to the writeups that Emma Quayle did on the 2007 draft where IIRC she had Myers in the top 10 based on ability.
Williams is perpetually injured (which is why he doesnt play) and is 27 going on 28. Mckinley is 23 and is rarely injured.
