Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2024, Part I

[Partridge]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/gws-giants-star-tom-green-slams-victorian-bias-in-afl/news-story/6040371dae7edbd47f28583c24cab897

This was interesting. Tom is right about the fact that most draftees really are overhyped.

Yep. No matter how much better it is today (and it definitely is), it's still a popularity contest for 18-year-olds. You cannot and never will know for sure who is going to make it, who won't, who likes the lifestyle too much, and so on.

 

[Wojcinski]

so the Hawks have traded in Ginnivan. Surely Pies fans wouldn't boo him? Not after condemning the whole AFL world for "booing a 19 year old kid"

 

[cats_09]

 

[Turbocat]

Joel Smith tests positive... four years? A month? seems a big difference..

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-drug-bombshell-player-from-melbournebased-finals-team-returns-positive-test/news-story/37c4ce9507ea1330287dd72011cb2a59

The penalty for an “in competition” positive test is up to four years’ suspension, although there are provisions for a lesser penalty in some situations.

While a four-year suspension is possible, under the AFL’s anti-doping code, if the player can prove the violation was not intentional or there are other circumstances, the penalty could be reduced to as little as a month.

 

[cats_09]

Joel Smith tests positive... four years?

The penalty for an “in competition” positive test is up to four years’ suspension, although there are provisions for a lesser penalty in some situations.

While a four-year suspension is possible, under the AFL’s anti-doping code, if the player can prove the violation was not intentional or there are other circumstances, the penalty could be reduced to as little as a month.

The code was updated on January 1, 2021, whereby “an athlete who has tested positive to a Substance of Abuse’ in-competition (which includes cocaine), the sanction is only three months if the athlete can prove the substance was used out of competition and was unrelated to sporting performance’’.

AFL rules dictate that the “in-competition” period starts at “11:59pm on the day before a competition in which the athlete is scheduled to participate through the end of such competition and the sample collection process’’.

Also, a suspension could be reduced to one month if the ‘’athlete completes a Substance of Abuse treatment program approved by AFL’’.

In 2019, Collingwood’s Sam Murray argued that he had inadvertently ingested a tiny amount of cocaine before he was given an 18-month suspension.

In 2020, former Gold Coast ruckman Brayden Crossley accepted a 12-month suspension for an unintentional anti-doping violation.

In 2015, then Collingwood players Lachie Keeffe and Josh Thomas accepted two-year bans for testing positive to the drug clenbuterol.

They were tested in February of that year, which was out of competition.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-drug-bombshell-player-from-melbournebased-finals-team-returns-positive-test/news-story/37c4ce9507ea1330287dd72011cb2a59

 

[Turbocat]

The penalty for an “in competition” positive test is up to four years’ suspension, although there are provisions for a lesser penalty in some situations.

While a four-year suspension is possible, under the AFL’s anti-doping code, if the player can prove the violation was not intentional or there are other circumstances, the penalty could be reduced to as little as a month.

The code was updated on January 1, 2021, whereby “an athlete who has tested positive to a Substance of Abuse’ in-competition (which includes cocaine), the sanction is only three months if the athlete can prove the substance was used out of competition and was unrelated to sporting performance’’.

AFL rules dictate that the “in-competition” period starts at “11:59pm on the day before a competition in which the athlete is scheduled to participate through the end of such competition and the sample collection process’’.

Also, a suspension could be reduced to one month if the ‘’athlete completes a Substance of Abuse treatment program approved by AFL’’.

In 2019, Collingwood’s Sam Murray argued that he had inadvertently ingested a tiny amount of cocaine before he was given an 18-month suspension.

In 2020, former Gold Coast ruckman Brayden Crossley accepted a 12-month suspension for an unintentional anti-doping violation.

In 2015, then Collingwood players Lachie Keeffe and Josh Thomas accepted two-year bans for testing positive to the drug clenbuterol.

They were tested in February of that year, which was out of competition.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-drug-bombshell-player-from-melbournebased-finals-team-returns-positive-test/news-story/37c4ce9507ea1330287dd72011cb2a59

Yes seems a big difference ... its like Life or a holiday in bali

 

[Lana]

Joel Smith tests positive... four years? A month? seems a big difference..

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-drug-bombshell-player-from-melbournebased-finals-team-returns-positive-test/news-story/37c4ce9507ea1330287dd72011cb2a59

The penalty for an “in competition” positive test is up to four years’ suspension, although there are provisions for a lesser penalty in some situations.

While a four-year suspension is possible, under the AFL’s anti-doping code, if the player can prove the violation was not intentional or there are other circumstances, the penalty could be reduced to as little as a month.

I'd be surprised if it isn't around the 2 year mark

 

[#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL]

I'd be surprised if it isn't around the 2 year mark

Surely he will push for this one;

Also, a suspension could be reduced to one month if the ‘’athlete completes a Substance of Abuse treatment program approved by AFL’’.

 

[Lana]

Surely he will push for this one;

Would WADA allow that

 

[Vorno]

The penalty for an “in competition” positive test is up to four years’ suspension, although there are provisions for a lesser penalty in some situations.

While a four-year suspension is possible, under the AFL’s anti-doping code, if the player can prove the violation was not intentional or there are other circumstances, the penalty could be reduced to as little as a month.

The code was updated on January 1, 2021, whereby “an athlete who has tested positive to a Substance of Abuse’ in-competition (which includes cocaine), the sanction is only three months if the athlete can prove the substance was used out of competition and was unrelated to sporting performance’’.

AFL rules dictate that the “in-competition” period starts at “11:59pm on the day before a competition in which the athlete is scheduled to participate through the end of such competition and the sample collection process’’.

Also, a suspension could be reduced to one month if the ‘’athlete completes a Substance of Abuse treatment program approved by AFL’’.

In 2019, Collingwood’s Sam Murray argued that he had inadvertently ingested a tiny amount of cocaine before he was given an 18-month suspension.

In 2020, former Gold Coast ruckman Brayden Crossley accepted a 12-month suspension for an unintentional anti-doping violation.

In 2015, then Collingwood players Lachie Keeffe and Josh Thomas accepted two-year bans for testing positive to the drug clenbuterol.

They were tested in February of that year, which was out of competition.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-drug-bombshell-player-from-melbournebased-finals-team-returns-positive-test/news-story/37c4ce9507ea1330287dd72011cb2a59

Does the strike policy still apply before naming the player?


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[cats_09]

Does the strike policy still apply before naming the player?


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

Probably, but this isn't anything to do with the AFLs 3 strike policy


*Smith, who has been provisionally suspended, tested positive after the round 23 game against Hawthorn.

He was tested after the game by Sports Integrity Australia officials as part of regulation in-competition testing for performance enhancing drugs.

He was told about his positive test last week and the AFL was made aware at the same time.

It’s believed Sports Integrity Australia has informed the player he has returned a positive test.

The AFL complies with WADA’s anti-doping code, which is governed in Australia by SIA, and cocaine is listed on the WADA in-competition prohibited list of stimulants.

The AFL said in a statement: “The AFL confirms that a mandatory provisional suspension (which is effective immediately) has been imposed on Melbourne FC player Joel Smith following notification to him by Sport Integrity Australia of an Adverse Analytical Finding (AAF) and a potential violation of the Australian Football Anti-Doping Code (Code).

“It is asserted that a sample provided by Smith during an In-Competition doping control test on 20 August 2023 returned an AAF for the presence of Cocaine and its metabolite Benzoylecgonine being a Prohibited Substance under the Code.



Same link as above

 

[SleazySimon]

so the Hawks have traded in Ginnivan. Surely Pies fans wouldn't boo him? Not after condemning the whole AFL world for "booing a 19 year old kid"

After the treatment Ollie Henry got this year from pies supporters, you would think they would boo him next year

 

[The rabbi]

 

[patience]

so the Hawks have traded in Ginnivan. Surely Pies fans wouldn't boo him? Not after condemning the whole AFL world for "booing a 19 year old kid"

What happened there? Pushed or jumped?

 

[Hamingja]

Needs to go with the Chewbacca Richard Gasquet defence

Richard Gasquet escapes ban after CAS clears him over positive cocaine test

The Court of Arbitration for Sport has cleared Richard Gasquet, meaning he will not serve a further ban for testing positive for cocaine

www.theguardian.com

Richard Gasquet will be able to play in next month's Australian Open after the International Tennis Federation and World Anti-Doping Agency failed in their appeal against a decision to overturn a ban he had received for testing positive for cocaine.

The 23-year-old Frenchman had tested positive for the drug at the Sony Ericsson Open in Florida in March this year and was handed a provisional 12-month ban.


However, an ITF panel overturned the ban in July, accepting Gasquet's claim that the substance was only in his system due to him kissing a woman who had taken cocaine at a nightclub.

The ITF and Wada chose to appeal that decision with the Court of Arbitration for Sport, seeking a two-year ban, but have ultimately failed.

 

[Cataholic]

Needs to go with the Chewbacca Richard Gasquet defence

Richard Gasquet escapes ban after CAS clears him over positive cocaine test

The Court of Arbitration for Sport has cleared Richard Gasquet, meaning he will not serve a further ban for testing positive for cocaine

www.theguardian.com

What a farcical excuse, and a laughable mockery of sporting integrity by the ITF.

Lip service.

 

[BotsMaster]

What happened there? Pushed or jumped?

Surely he jumped. Bobby Hill has his spot.

 

[Hamingja]

What a farcical excuse, and a laughable mockery of sporting integrity by the ITF.

Lip service.

It was nearly 15 years ago but it is still laughable.

There was also one with one of the big horse trainers in Melbourne, later banned for life for doping, where he successfully argued the substance that the horse tested positive to was due to a stable hand being on heart meds, pissing in a stall, and the horse eating the hay that he pissed on.

 

[cats_09]

What happened there? Pushed or jumped?

Six of one, half a dozen of the other...

This season Hill showed himself to be the preferred small forward option, then Collingwood have gone & traded in Schultz which again means another player who he (Ginnivan) is trying to push past

Then there's also report that he's not necessarily the coaches favourite, especially after his decision to go to the races the night before the grand final - while McRae played things down in the media following the GF, he reportedly did chat to Jack about the importance of being mindful on his choices & needing to make better decisions. Following that discussion, Jack then turns up to Mad Monday in jockey silks and then agreed to be the Ladbrokes Cox Plate Eve Ambassador - those decisions were seen as something of an F-U to the coach

So maybe not exactly pushed, but not sure the powers to be at Collingwood will be too upset with him finding a new home

 

[BotsMaster]

 

[cats_09]

 

[allrighty]

Interesting read on longevity vs success in all 18 AFL clubs.

History of Leadership – Chairs, CEOs, Head Coaches and Captains in Eighteen/Nineteen AFL Clubs : Examining Stability and Diversity -Updated 30 September 2024 - Australian Sport Reflections

By Greg Blood This article documents the leadership timeline of the 18 clubs in the Australian Football League (AFL) that was established in 1990. Leadership is documented in terms of - presidents/chairs, CEOs, head coaches and captains to examine issues such as stability and diversity in...

australiansportreflections.com

 

[Lana]

Interesting read on longevity vs success in all 18 AFL clubs.

History of Leadership – Chairs, CEOs, Head Coaches and Captains in Eighteen/Nineteen AFL Clubs : Examining Stability and Diversity -Updated 30 September 2024 - Australian Sport Reflections

By Greg Blood This article documents the leadership timeline of the 18 clubs in the Australian Football League (AFL) that was established in 1990. Leadership is documented in terms of - presidents/chairs, CEOs, head coaches and captains to examine issues such as stability and diversity in...

australiansportreflections.com

94% of teams that appoint a CEO fail to win the premiership

 

[CatToTheFuture]

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Oh my God

 

[cats_09]