Welcome Welcome to Adelaide: Sid Draper - Pick 4, 2024

[Amacca 23]

The one player missed out badly was chasing kernehan when we could of grabbed carey , imagine him in our side from 91 onwards .That was a huge stuff up

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[119others]

The one player missed out badly was chasing kernehan when we could of grabbed carey , imagine him in our side from 91 onwards .That was a huge stuff up

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confused by this? Carey was drafted in the late 80's before the Crows were born. Then we did chase him hard end of 1992 but he stayed with Kangas as was offered their Captaincy at a very young age (21 yo)

 

[Amacca 23]

confused by this? Carey was drafted in the late 80's before the Crows were born. Then we did chase him hard end of 1992 but he stayed with Kangas as was offered their Captaincy at a very young age (21 yo)

They tried to get sticks when they could of got carey he was gettable at that time

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[Jeffcrowe]

Look, we’ve always lured some players back but for every McGuiness there’s a kernahan, platten and Bradley. As a kid I always wondered why the ex SA players wouldn’t queue up to come back and rep the state playing for the crows.

It still happens to this day. Plenty rather play for their interstate side, no desire to come home and play for us.

Our 2 best players who we’d be absolutely f'd without came home , pretty decent having your 2 best players as come home guys

Not everyone goes home to play for collingwood either , they’ve tried to recruit about 6 key forwards in last 15 years and ended up with Dan Mcstay despite opening up the cheque book to guys like Tom Lynch , Ugle-Hagan , Tex etc

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Yup. As have been saying in recent weeks doubt there is another club with so many players that actually supported the club growing up. A great advantage in many ways - not even inc the passion / footy side which is probably little advantage (most high end/elite players total professionals) but from both a retention AND $$ needed to accomodate them perspective. Can anyone seriously see Draper being poached over coming years?..

I would expect it’s a deliberate ploy by Reidy and team mainly from a contractual perspective as above AND draft signalling perspective - you draft a SA lad and you know we will be coming hard for them. It’s hard to quantity impact but who knows - perhaps Blues do take Draper instead of Smith in the last draft as lots of those rumours and he seemed a more natural fit to their midfield.

Blues were obsessed with smith and hence gave up alot to get him

But get your point

 

[119others]

Look, we’ve always lured some players back but for every McGuiness there’s a kernahan, platten and Bradley. As a kid I always wondered why the ex SA players wouldn’t queue up to come back and rep the state playing for the crows.

It still happens to this day. Plenty rather play for their interstate side, no desire to come home and play for us.

Did you listen to Justin Reids 30 minute interview?

As many people have said over the years - mainly posters not living in SA - that SA, rightly or wrongly, would probably be deemed the least attractive city to live in (along with Perth IMO) for young high earning professional athletes. Compare it to truly global cities like MLB or SYD (SYD also offering anonymity), lifestyle clubs like Lions and Suns, and you would see that SA and WA clubs are without doubt at a structural disadvantage in terms of (1) recruiting quality/elite non SA boys here (either no, or close to, examples of non SA players who had already been AA joining Power or us in over 55 collective years) and (2) even getting SA boys back home after the leave. I moved to SYD in my early 20's thinking it was for a few years and have never moved back home. Ditto more than half my Uni mates spread around the world or even SYD or MLB.

Now none of this is bagging ADL in anyway. The city has really progressed amazingly in the last decade or two but its just an absolute reality that cant be argued with. Look at relative popn increases in Aussie cities over the last 30-40 years. The flow of net young Australian (inc SA) graduates seeing a brain drain from SA for most of the recent decades.

Reid himself said 'we are fishing from a fish pond, NOT the sea' when it comes to trying to attract players to SA.

Its not hard to work this aspect out and not sure why it keeps coming up

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Did you listen to Justin Reids 30 minute interview?

As many people have said over the years - mainly posters not living in SA - that SA, rightly or wrongly, would probably be deemed the least attractive city to live in (along with Perth IMO) for young high earning professional athletes. Compare it to truly global cities like MLB or SYD (SYD also offering anonymity), lifestyle clubs like Lions and Suns, and you would see that SA and WA clubs are without doubt at a structural disadvantage in terms of (1) recruiting quality/elite non SA boys here (either no, or close to, examples of non SA players who had already been AA joining Power or us in over 55 collective years) and (2) even getting SA boys back home after the leave. I moved to SYD in my early 20's thinking it was for a few years and have never moved back home. Ditto more than half my Uni mates spread around the world or even SYD or MLB.

Now none of this is bagging ADL in anyway. The city has really progressed amazingly in the last decade or two but its just an absolute reality that cant be argued with. Look at relative popn increases in Aussie cities over the last 30-40 years. The flow of net young Australian (inc SA) graduates seeing a brain drain from SA for most of the recent decades.

Reid himself said 'we are fishing from a fish pond, NOT the sea' when it comes to trying to attract players to SA.

Its not hard to work this aspect out and not sure why it keeps coming up

The only reason we have potential to be a half decent side if we lift next year is the trades we’ve done to bring good players in

It’s not a current issue , in fact we are trading in more talent than most clubs

 

[Samcro24]

Our 2 best players who we’d be absolutely f'd without came home , pretty decent having your 2 best players as come home guys

Not everyone goes home to play for collingwood either , they’ve tried to recruit about 6 key forwards in last 15 years and ended up with Dan Mcstay despite opening up the cheque book to guys like Tom Lynch , Ugle-Hagan , Tex etc

Did you listen to Justin Reids 30 minute interview?

As many people have said over the years - mainly posters not living in SA - that SA, rightly or wrongly, would probably be deemed the least attractive city to live in (along with Perth IMO) for young high earning professional athletes. Compare it to truly global cities like MLB or SYD (SYD also offering anonymity), lifestyle clubs like Lions and Suns, and you would see that SA and WA clubs are without doubt at a structural disadvantage in terms of (1) recruiting quality/elite non SA boys here (either no, or close to, examples of non SA players who had already been AA joining Power or us in over 55 collective years) and (2) even getting SA boys back home after the leave. I moved to SYD in my early 20's thinking it was for a few years and have never moved back home. Ditto more than half my Uni mates spread around the world or even SYD or MLB.

Now none of this is bagging ADL in anyway. The city has really progressed amazingly in the last decade or two but its just an absolute reality that cant be argued with. Look at relative popn increases in Aussie cities over the last 30-40 years. The flow of net young Australian (inc SA) graduates seeing a brain drain from SA for most of the recent decades.

Reid himself said 'we are fishing from a fish pond, NOT the sea' when it comes to trying to attract players to SA.

Its not hard to work this aspect out and not sure why it keeps coming up

It's merely a comment that a lot of homegrown talent have no interest in returning to play for us, and that has been something ingrained from day 1.

Out of all the SA stars in the then vfl it was really on McGuiness and Lindner that took up the offer to come home in the first year. Which is surprising really, you'd think a couple more would have come back to be a part of a new SA club.

It hasn't really changed since.

 

[cmndstab]

Reid himself said 'we are fishing from a fish pond, NOT the sea' when it comes to trying to attract players to SA.

Its not hard to work this aspect out and not sure why it keeps coming up

I've always felt that we should have an advantage when attractive country lads, though. Adelaide being viewed as just a large country town and all. None of the hustle and bustle of Sydney or Melbourne.

Should target someone who has a 40 minute commute to training and say "wouldn't it be nice if..."

 

[Jeffcrowe]

It's merely a comment that a lot of homegrown talent have no interest in returning to play for us, and that has been something ingrained from day 1.

Out of all the SA stars in the then vfl it was really on McGuiness and Lindner that took up the offer to come home in the first year. Which is surprising really, you'd think a couple more would have come back to be a part of a new SA club.

It hasn't really changed since.

In the past I think at times yes it’s been a factor

But currently it has definitely changed prob our best ever result , our 2 best players coming home to play for us from other clubs , Geelong only team that has close to that with Dangerfield and Cameron re trades

ANB too

Go through every club in AFL , name their 3 best players and see how many of the 3 were traded in

Lachie Neale and Patrick Dangerfield/ Jeremy Cameron , Jason Horne-Francis, also Jackson and Bolton not bad for freo , not as important as our 2 guys though

They’re main ones I can think of , not a heap of others

I think it likely was a thing for us in past but can’t say it’s a factor in the present

 

[Samcro24]

In the past I think at times yes it’s been a factor

But currently it has definitely changed prob our best ever result , our 2 best players coming home to play for us from other clubs , Geelong only team that has close to that with Dangerfield and Cameron re trades

ANB too

Go through every club in AFL , name their 3 best players and see how many of the 3 were traded in

Lachie Neale and Patrick Dangerfield/ Jeremy Cameron , Jason Horne-Francis, also Jackson and Bolton not bad for freo , not as important as our 2 guys though

They’re main ones I can think of , not a heap of others

I think it likely was a thing for us in past but can’t say it’s a factor in the present

It’s a great outcome no doubt.

You can’t really count ANB though, his was a matter of circumstance.

We’ve had quite a lot of no thank yous recently. Hayward, Redman, NWM, Day, maybe Cox.

 

[MarcusP2]

I've always felt that we should have an advantage when attractive country lads, though. Adelaide being viewed as just a large country town and all. None of the hustle and bustle of Sydney or Melbourne.

Should target someone who has a 40 minute commute to training and say "wouldn't it be nice if..."

They move to Geelong.

 

[cleanhands]

I've always felt that we should have an advantage when attractive country lads, though. Adelaide being viewed as just a large country town and all. None of the hustle and bustle of Sydney or Melbourne.

Should target someone who has a 40 minute commute to training and say "wouldn't it be nice if..."

You are attracted to attractive country lads, nothing wrong with that

 

[Chances Are]

That’s exactly what happened. We were the only club to even recognise his talent in that initial year and clearly we all wish we picked him instead of handy, but clearly not elite, Kenny Mc G

Kenny McGregor gets a bum rap from fans. He played well over 100 games for us and was a good, solid player. Jonathon Brown from the Lions rated him as the hardest opponent he ever played on. Sure Pav was a total star of the comp. but hell Kenny was no POS at the same time.

 

[adelaidecrows]

About 29 players from the inaugural squad weren’t there in 93 by my count. To be fair I think we had to reduce the squad numbers.

Lots of older players that didn’t make it beyond a handful of games though. And the younger talent was a big part of making the prelim in 93.

I watched that era closely and 90% of our list was at the time made up of experienced Sanfl and VFL talent. So most players were already pushing late 20s in 1991. Basically the list was a state of origin side minus a few of our stars. Its why we won so many games. We were every bit an experienced side. Today you cant do it because of development but the 80s and 90s era of Sanfl was probably a golden era for talent.

 

[119others]

Kenny McGregor gets a bum rap from fans. He played well over 100 games for us and was a good, solid player. Jonathon Brown from the Lions rated him as the hardest opponent he ever played on. Sure Pav was a total star of the comp. but hell Kenny was no POS at the same time.

I think we are on the same page. I called Kenny “handy” and you “good and solid”.

I can’t see anyone bagging him, certainly never seen anyone calling him a POS. Perhaps you mean previously? It would be extremely disrespectful to him I agree anyone categorising him like that,

Main point is we all would have swapped Kenny for Pav in a heartbeat beat but that’s due to Pavs elite status. Nothing to do with feeling like Kenny was a dud.

 

[119others]

I watched that era closely and 90% of our list was at the time made up of experienced Sanfl and VFL talent. So most players were already pushing late 20s in 1991. Basically the list was a state of origin side minus a few of our stars. Its why we won so many games. We were every bit an experienced side. Today you cant do it because of development but the 80s and 90s era of Sanfl was probably a golden era for talent.

Definitely had lots of experienced players - many stalwarts like the 2 x Mc’s, Anderson etc.

But don’t forget start of 1992, more than half of the squad was 23 or under so it’s a bit of a myth that we didn’t stock up on talented youngsters

Adelaide Playing List for 1992 - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

 

[TBM]

Can’t wait to see him in action

 

[Stephen2]

Why aren't they letting Draper do anything in match sims? Is this normal? Dude looks ready...

 

[GreyCrow]

Why aren't they letting Draper do anything in match sims? Is this normal? Dude looks ready...

'' building a tank ''

'' not ready yet ''

''The plan was always to play him in the SANFL for a year ''

 

[glengowan]

Did you listen to Justin Reids 30 minute interview?

As many people have said over the years - mainly posters not living in SA - that SA, rightly or wrongly, would probably be deemed the least attractive city to live in (along with Perth IMO) for young high earning professional athletes. Compare it to truly global cities like MLB or SYD (SYD also offering anonymity), lifestyle clubs like Lions and Suns, and you would see that SA and WA clubs are without doubt at a structural disadvantage in terms of (1) recruiting quality/elite non SA boys here (either no, or close to, examples of non SA players who had already been AA joining Power or us in over 55 collective years) and (2) even getting SA boys back home after the leave. I moved to SYD in my early 20's thinking it was for a few years and have never moved back home. Ditto more than half my Uni mates spread around the world or even SYD or MLB.

Now none of this is bagging ADL in anyway. The city has really progressed amazingly in the last decade or two but its just an absolute reality that cant be argued with. Look at relative popn increases in Aussie cities over the last 30-40 years. The flow of net young Australian (inc SA) graduates seeing a brain drain from SA for most of the recent decades.

Reid himself said 'we are fishing from a fish pond, NOT the sea' when it comes to trying to attract players to SA.

Its not hard to work this aspect out and not sure why it keeps coming up

It's probably why Reid has overseen the most unsuccessful period the club has ever had. Loser talk.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

'' building a tank ''

'' not ready yet ''

''The plan was always to play him in the SANFL for a year ''

There's hopefully a balance between that pissweak mindset and 18 year old D Mac tearing his hamstring off the bone in his first preseason

I'm hoping we're aiming for that middle ground sweetspot!

 

[Cromulant]

Why aren't they letting Draper do anything in match sims? Is this normal? Dude looks ready...

My guess is they're easing him in like all draftees are, coupled with him coming off a small back issue pre draft.

He loves the work, at times to his own detriment, so holding him back a little bit isn't an issue IMO. Burgo knows what he's doing.

Sounds like every time he IS involved though, he's showing everyone he's ready to rock and roll.

 

[Cromulant]

It's probably why Reid has overseen the most unsuccessful period the club has ever had. Loser talk.

He's not wrong though.

Personally I've never understood the allure of the eastern seaboard from a lifestyle perspective but many do. And I'd imagine commercial opportunities over there for sports people are greater than they are here.

 

[crows dude]

They tried to get sticks when they could of got carey he was gettable at that time

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Our drafting Rules in 1990 for the 1991 season were any SANFL Player even if they were technically drafted previously by a VFL club. This included the likes of the Jarmans, Tregenza. Darren decided to renew his contract at Hawthorn and go play there. We were also allowed any out of contract South Australian player. We got 4. McGuiness, Hughes, Linder and Mickan.

I wasnt aware Carey was out of contract in 1990. As he was technically classed as a South Australian due to playing juniors at North before they changed the rules aligning him to NSW.

Same with Sticks. Was he out of contract at Carlton in 1990. In an interview with McGuiness that i have he said there were pretty much only the four of them available.