Autopsy AFL 2024 Round 16 - Lions v Demons Fri June 28th 7:40pm AEST (Gabba)

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

Three things I learned last night.

1. Umpiring is still changing outcomes of matches.

2. Dees were valiant but you just knew they’d lose it in the 4th.

3. Only way the Lions get to the GF this year is as spectators.

I like fast players.

 

[danster168]

Both sides missed a lot of shots at goal they should kick and made mistakes that cost them other chances you'd expect an AFL team to take. That being said, Brisbane missed more gettable shots and made more errors costing them further chances than did Melbourne. I'd argue it was only Melbourne taking their chances in the 2nd half of the second quarter that had them in front. Brisbane scored 3.7 in the first with Hipwood missing from 30 out in front and Oscar O missing from 25 in front. Fumbles / dumb decisions costing them another 2 chances from directly in front. Thats in the 1st quarter alone. Think Daniher also cost them 1 in the first but could be getting the quarters confused. Brisbane also long bombed to the square a lot which was easy pickings for Melbourne's defence.

I understand that as a Melbourne supporter you are going to focus on the chances Melbourne didn't take and wonder what if but to suggest it was missed chances that cost Melbourne is only a very small part of the story. Name a Melbourne forward outside of Pickett that looked genuinely dangerous across the game and not in patches. Name a Melbourne midfielder that contributed for more than 2.5 quarters outside of Viney. Melbourne defended pretty well for most of the game which kept that game as close as it was and to a certain extent contributed to Brisbane making as many mistakes as they did.

The biggest difference for me though was in the coaches box. Fagan realised Morris wasn't contributing and subbed him off halfway in the 3rd bringing on a player that contributed with link up run and helped turn the game in Brisbane's favour. Morris has contributed in previous games meaning that he had earnt his spot yet Fagan was still able to realise that it wasn't his night and make the change. Goodwin had a player that wasn't contributing and hasn't contributed for most of the season yet selects him whilst the player is out of form and waits until Brisbane have already effectively overrun Melbourne but for their poor conversion before making a panic change when the player doesn't have time to make a change.

Generally speaking if you're only in front in a game around the 1 goal mark because the opposition isn't taking their chances you're in trouble. Relying on another team to keep making basic mistakes isn't sustainable.

good post. but I disagree on a lot of things. Van Rooyen looked dangerous all night. Petty had 8 marks and played a decent game until it came to converting. Pickett was obviously dangerous.

Who looked dangerous out of the Brisbane forwards? Hipswood and Daniher weren't. Logan Morris and Rayner are spuds. Charlie Cameron was relatively well held.

in the midfield, I thought Rivers and Oliver cracked in all night. And Viney as you say. Our midfield was in top of theirs for most of the game until the last quarter. But if the umpires were neutral the game would've been well and truly over at 3/4 time.

Yes Brisbane missed some shots too but I'd say almost 7 or 8 of their behinds were spoiled or rushed over so it's a bit misleading.

Yes I agree regarding the sub. It needed to be activated sooner. And Goodwin is being criticised for that.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Of course they were, once they got going they were in complete control and the Lions were rubbish. The Dees blew it in the final QTR.

Nah the second quarter perhaps but Lions were the better team overall as they are. 6 goals in the 2nd half V 2 goals. Lions were in complete control except for the 2nd quarter. Cream rises to the top.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Spot the difference
One plays for Brisbane.

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This is taking salty sore loser to unprecedented levels. You need to face the reality that Melbourne are a mid table team and will be for some time to come. But you got a flag at least.

 

[JackFlash]

Nah the second quarter perhaps but Lions were the better team overall as they are. 6 goals in the 2nd half V 2 goals. Lions were in complete control except for the 2nd quarter. Cream rises to the top.

Good grief.

 

[danster168]

so placing your hands on an opponent is a block. lol. But when the game is on the line and May gets shoved out, it's play on.

This umpire will be getting a stern word in his review. Pathetic call amongst many.
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[danster168]

This is taking salty sore loser to unprecedented levels. You need to face the reality that Melbourne are a mid table team and will be for some time to come. But you got a flag at least.

I dont disagree. But we are better than you. And last night proved that. Neutral umpires, neutral venue and that's a healthy win. And we had more youngsters. You really think Brisbane aren't mid-table? you're essentially 10th after last night win if Stevic wasn't umpiring.

But you're right, we took our chance and won the flag. We'll bounce back with Petracca and Oliver getting a pre-seaaon under him.

 

[danster168]

On another note, where are all those dees fans that wanted to drop Oliver for Kynan Brown? Fess up

 

[Countryfooty1]

good post. but I disagree on a lot of things. Van Rooyen looked dangerous all night. Petty had 8 marks and played a decent game until it came to converting. Pickett was obviously dangerous.

Who looked dangerous out of the Brisbane forwards? Hipswood and Daniher weren't. Logan Morris and Rayner are spuds. Charlie Cameron was relatively well held.

in the midfield, I thought Rivers and Oliver cracked in all night. And Viney as you say. Our midfield was in top of theirs for most of the game until the last quarter. But if the umpires were neutral the game would've been well and truly over at 3/4 time.

Yes Brisbane missed some shots too but I'd say almost 7 or 8 of their behinds were spoiled or rushed over so it's a bit misleading.

Yes I agree regarding the sub. It needed to be activated sooner. And Goodwin is being criticised for that.

Consistently missing shots at goal is essentially a turnover and team confidence sapper and needs to be treated as such. If we had a midfielder that had 25+ disposals with half of them being turnovers would we be praising them for the amount of ball they got or commenting on the mistakes? I see it no different with Petty. This also doesn't take into account the number of times he got outmarked, fell over or fumbled / double grabbed a ball and cost Melbourne forward momentum.

I'll give you Rivers and Van Rooyen both of whom I've been impressed with every time I've watched them play. They both are young and learning and make a few errors but these will lesson as they get game time and experience. Oliver was actually the player I had in mind when I made the more than 2.5 quarters comment. He doesn't have the fitness to run games out like he used to and it shows. Dunkley got on top of him as the game wore on, especially in the last quarter. Completely agree regarding Brisbane's forwards not looking dangerous and goes to one of my main points which was that it was Melbourne's defence that kept them in front as long as they were.

Agree that Brisbane got the benefit of a few more 50/50s than Melbourne across the night, especially in the first quarter. The Rivers running too far was one of the few that I'd argue shouldn't be considered a 50/50 decision but a paid every time. The only reason that's controversial is the amount of times the umpires are gutless and don't pay it. Agree that a balancing of those 50/50s probably results in a Melbourne win but only because of how close the end result was. There's plenty of "inside bulls" that would love to get umpired the way Oliver does with the amount of throws and incorrect disposals he gets away with. There's only 3 players in the competition that get looked after as well as he does. 1 plays for Sydney and the other 2 would appear in most people's top 5.

 

[Miluxx]

Consistently missing shots at goal is essentially a turnover and team confidence sapper and needs to be treated as such. If we had a midfielder that had 25+ disposals with half of them being turnovers would we be praising them for the amount of ball they got or commenting on the mistakes? I see it no different with Petty. This also doesn't take into account the number of times he got outmarked, fell over or fumbled / double grabbed a ball and cost Melbourne forward momentum.

I'll give you Rivers and Van Rooyen both of whom I've been impressed with every time I've watched them play. They both are young and learning and make a few errors but these will lesson as they get game time and experience. Oliver was actually the player I had in mind when I made the more than 2.5 quarters comment. He doesn't have the fitness to run games out like he used to and it shows. Dunkley got on top of him as the game wore on, especially in the last quarter. Completely agree regarding Brisbane's forwards not looking dangerous and goes to one of my main points which was that it was Melbourne's defence that kept them in front as long as they were.

Agree that Brisbane got the benefit of a few more 50/50s than Melbourne across the night, especially in the first quarter. The Rivers running too far was one of the few that I'd argue shouldn't be considered a 50/50 decision but a paid every time. The only reason that's controversial is the amount of times the umpires are gutless and don't pay it. Agree that a balancing of those 50/50s probably results in a Melbourne win but only because of how close the end result was. There's plenty of "inside bulls" that would love to get umpired the way Oliver does with the amount of throws and incorrect disposals he gets away with. There's only 3 players in the competition that get looked after as well as he does. 1 plays for Sydney and the other 2 would appear in most people's top 5.

I think there is at least 5 Oliver throws or drops in last night's game.

 

[BRAB]

danster168 I totally understand your frustration around unpaid marks. It just happened to our VFL team against Coburg and I was absolutely spitting chips.

Boys have pulled together to overcome this injustice though as good teams do.

 

[hawkman]

I think there is at least 5 Oliver throws or drops in last night's game.

He was recorded as having 18 handballs so a good chance it was 18 throws

 

[LeppaMessiah]

good post. but I disagree on a lot of things. Van Rooyen looked dangerous all night. Petty had 8 marks and played a decent game until it came to converting. Pickett was obviously dangerous.

Who looked dangerous out of the Brisbane forwards? Hipswood and Daniher weren't. Logan Morris and Rayner are spuds. Charlie Cameron was relatively well held.

in the midfield, I thought Rivers and Oliver cracked in all night. And Viney as you say. Our midfield was in top of theirs for most of the game until the last quarter. But if the umpires were neutral the game would've been well and truly over at 3/4 time.

Yes Brisbane missed some shots too but I'd say almost 7 or 8 of their behinds were spoiled or rushed over so it's a bit misleading.

Yes I agree regarding the sub. It needed to be activated sooner. And Goodwin is being criticised for that.

You say some things I agree with and it’s obvious you rub a lot of people the wrong way. Saying Logan Morris is a spud after the start he has had to his very short career, after an objectively poor game last night is probably why a lot of people take the piss out of you. I do enjoy your content though so don’t let up on the posting.

 

[royboys4eva]

Any vision of Oliver and his handballs ?? Throws the ball five times a match. Viney ran ten metres then got tackled - dropped the ball and called play on.

Big O missed a set shot from 20/25 m out directly in front. Cameron dropped a sitter 10metres out. Hipwood missed a handball to Lohman who was 10metres out with no one near him.

Three clear cut goals left out there.

Melbourne were good and brave with a young side but they didn't lose due to the umpires. They kicked 2 goals in entire second half.

 

[danster168]

You say some things I agree with and it’s obvious you rub a lot of people the wrong way. Saying Logan Morris is a spud after the start he has had to his very short career, after an objectively poor game last night is probably why a lot of people take the piss out of you. I do enjoy your content though so don’t let up on the posting.

nah. a bit of hyperbole from me. just responding to people saying he was better than Fritsch.

 

[Happy_Neale]

nah. a bit of hyperbole from me. just responding to people saying he was better than Fritsch.

Fritsch (and Petty) played about as un-clutch a game as someone could possibly play. Hurts in a game decided by less than a goal. Fritsch’s main concern seemed to be hassling Harris Andrew’s all night, karma for him that he missed the shot to tie up the scores at the end

 

[danster168]

Fritsch (and Petty) played about as un-clutch a game as someone could possibly play. Hurts in a game decided by less than a goal. Fritsch’s main concern seemed to be hassling Harris Andrew’s all night, karma for him that he missed the shot to tie up the scores at the end

see, you're falling into the trap of analysing players based off a game here or a game there. When you kick 6 in a granny and make an AA squad, that's 5 years of validation. when you're a scrub like Rayner, who hasn't achieved anything at afl level, you don't 'turn around 7 years of underwhelming footy with the odd game.

How is it karma? it was clearly his instruction from the coach. And he did a good job. It's not like Fritsch's kick was a soda from 20m out. Plus that wasn't to win the game anyway. Even if he kicked it the ump, would've said he ran too far or found something off the ball to call.

 

[Happy_Neale]

see, you're falling into the trap of analysing players based off a game here or a game there. When you kick 6 in a granny and make an AA squad, that's 5 years of validation. when you're a scrub like Rayner, who hasn't achieved anything at afl level, you don't 'turn around 7 years of underwhelming footy with the odd game.

How is it karma? it was clearly his instruction from the coach. And he did a good job. It's not like Fritsch's kick was a soda from 20m out. Plus that wasn't to win the game anyway. Even if he kicked it the ump, would've said he ran too far or found something off the ball to call.

1.7 between Fritsch and Petty in a 5 point game. Ouch. The only thing worse was watching the fake tough guy act from Bailey on Harris. Cringeworthy

 

[Dees 87]

Any vision of Oliver and his handballs ?? Throws the ball five times a match. Viney ran ten metres then got tackled - dropped the ball and called play on.

Big O missed a set shot from 20/25 m out directly in front. Cameron dropped a sitter 10metres out. Hipwood missed a handball to Lohman who was 10metres out with no one near him.

Three clear cut goals left out there.

Melbourne were good and brave with a young side but they didn't lose due to the umpires. They kicked 2 goals in entire second half.

Honestly not having a go but do you keep an alternative score board n free kick count ?

 

[BulldogMurray]

Never argue with an idiot

 

[Miluxx]

Never argue with an idiot

Only idiots argue with idiots. That's why most posters just laugh at Danny from here on out.

 

[danster168]

Only idiots argue with idiots. That's why most posters just laugh at Danny from here on out.

which bit can you possibly argue about? You can choose to tell yourself that the umpiring was neutral but if you watched the game again you'd realise that there were howking decisions made that resulted in most Brisbane goals.
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[Miluxx]

which bit can you possibly argue about? You can choose to tell yourself that the umpiring was neutral but of you watched the game again you'd realise that there were howking decisions made that resulted in most Brisbane goals.
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I agree that this one here is HTB. No denying that. But you won't ever show the Clayton throws. You are genuinely a sore loser.

How many times do you see that a player thought they took a mark is given leniency with HTB. Harris Andrews was given no such leniency. Resulted in Melbourne's first goal.

Stop being a clown. Deadset.

 

[danster168]

I agree that this one here is HTB. No denying that. But you won't ever show the Clayton throws. You are genuinely a sore loser.

How many times do you see that a player thought they took a mark is given leniency with HTB. Harris Andrews was given no such leniency. Resulted in Melbourne's first goal.

Stop being a clown. Deadset.

I need video evidence. I can tell you one thing. for every 1 bad decision for the Lions, there was 4 for the dees. At least I provided video evidence of Lohman throwing it. And the Andrews one, just makes up for the May one not paid.