List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[steve hucka]

Should be a big focus on finding accumulation players that use the ball well this draft, no speculation or high ceiling types that are yet to come on for mine......

 

[Elite Pete]

The AFL doesnt want to be giving a club assistance 2 years in a row, they had a lot of complaints after how they handled North. It wont be the same as what North got, if there is any priority picks theyll want it to be a one and done situation

I think most people thought the first assistants was the more accurate one. Get ready to go player/s in a trade, while still keeping their early picks to help with the now and future. The 2nd one everyone thought was way too much and when they just went to the draft with those picks, even more so because those players won’t have influence for them until they are already going well.

Time will tell I guess.

I do think it’s this year or never, if the 2 NGAs abs Charlie Banfield turn into first and 2nd round picks they will say that’s enough assistances I still think it’s very unlikely to get any help

 

[SumaGodCoach]

 

[mat11]

Getting access to our NGA single handedly rules out an chance of a PP imo

I agree with some posters here duggan and Baker are probably parity and with the amount of holes in our list splitting our pic 3 for him wouldn't make sense

 

[Lia]

Baker is nowhere near good enough to be involved in any pick 3 discussions including pick splitting.

Richmond are a direct rival in the race to progress the rebuild before Tasmania, they do not need any legs ups.

 

[mitchzz]

God I'd hate if we went Bo Allen with our top pick

 

[SumaGodCoach]

God I'd hate if we went Bo Allen with our top pick

Yeah 4 seems too high. Travaglia at 11(or 9 in the open pool). A couple of really good KPD options aren't in his top 30.

 

[Obeanie1]

Should be a big focus on finding accumulation players that use the ball well this draft, no speculation or high ceiling types that are yet to come on for mine......

Thats the type Monocle picked for us in the mock draft running ATM.

Travagalia at 5 and Hynes at 23. Def / mid and a mid / frwd. Both can find the ball and hurt the opposition with quality use. 187cm and 199cm so not short.

No pick trading in this mock and it shows which clubs may split. North will split IMO. Too many mids around their pick and they are stacked could land 2 quality talls if they split.

 

[Obeanie1]

Getting access to our NGA single handedly rules out an chance of a PP imo

I agree with some posters here duggan and Baker are probably parity and with the amount of holes in our list splitting our pic 3 for him wouldn't make sense

Why. The AFL has given access to everyone. Even top 4 teams who are not expansion clubs.

That doesnt address gifting top teams access when bottom teams are struggling to catch up. And this new set up likely sees early 2nd round picks get pushed out to 30 plus again.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Has Bo Allen at 4?

On Pixel 6 Pro using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[mat11]

Why. The AFL has given access to everyone. Even top 4 teams who are not expansion clubs.

That doesnt address gifting top teams access when bottom teams are struggling to catch up. And this new set up likely sees early 2nd round picks get pushed out to 30 plus again.

Because every man and their dog know west coast aren't a rabble their a powerhouse that have been under shit management (on and off the field) for a few too many years

 

[Obeanie1]

Because every man and their dog know west coast aren't a rabble their a powerhouse that have been under shit management (on and off the field) for a few too many years

Relevance?

The win loss record for three plus years is looking as bad if not worse than North. That is a fact you can measure.

Our 2nd round picks for several drafts now have been diluted significantly providing finals teams with priority access to academy kids and father sons. That also can be clearly measured.

What you are saying is based on what exactly? Plenty have called us a rabble over the past three seasons. The worse team in AFL history. But as soon as we enter priority pick bad discussions everyone backflips and says......oh they arent that bad, they arent a rabble. Based on what measurement?

 

[Obeanie1]

Has Bo Allen at 4?

On Pixel 6 Pro using BigFooty.com mobile app

That would be based soley on us holding a low pick and Allen being the best WA pick.

Lazy journalism IMO.

Have not seen many rate Bo as top 10 on actual output.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Relevance?

The win loss record for three plus years is looking as bad if not worse than North. That is a fact you can measure.

Our 2nd round picks for several drafts now have been diluted significantly providing finals teams with priority access to academy kids and father sons. That also can be clearly measured.

What you are saying is based on what exactly? Plenty have called us a rabble over the past three seasons. The worse team in AFL history. But as soon as we enter priority pick bad discussions everyone backflips and says......oh they arent that bad, they arent a rabble. Based on what measurement?

Agree

The argument that we're a well run business with a shitload of money is null and void when it comes to our eligibility for PP's IMO - yes we have a lot of money, but we're barred from using that directly towards improving on field performance.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Has Bo Allen at 4?

On Pixel 6 Pro using BigFooty.com mobile app

Here is his top 30 for those not wanting to go to X



Some major differences of note compared to Twomey (Cal normally gets better input from recruiters while Ed does more his own ranking

Luke Urquhart - Ed includes in top 20, nothing from Cal
Bo Allan at 4 and 10
Xavier Lindsay at 5 while Cal has him at 16
Harvey Langford at 14 while Cal has him at 4
Murphy Reid at 17 while Cal has him at 5

Interesting in dual Larke Medallists this year in Langford (4) and Lombard (7)

The Larke medallist since 2011 have been
Sanders
Ashcroft
Robertson
Walsh
Oscar
Graham
Schache
Petracca
Sheed
Whitfield
Coniglio

Not too many duds in that list.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Using the ladder predictions from the AFL.com crew, and factoring in a likely band 1 compensation for Saints with Battle, here is what the first round is predicted to look like:-



For the shape of the draft in 2024, the Freo picks of 7, 8 and 15 look extremely tempting.

I can see Richmond wanting to do something with pick 2 to get ahead of Norf with Trainor. If that is the case, I would take a deal of 7 and 8 for 2. If Freo give up 7 and 8 for Bolton and we swap 2 for 7 and 8 with Tigers, then they get their best mid and the best KPP in the draft.

7 and 8 would likely get us two of Lalor, Draper, Allan, Lindsay and Travaglia.

Tigers get Smillie or FOS plus Trainor

Freo get Bolton

 

[pantskyle]

If we traded 7 and 8 for pick 2 I'd cartwheel all the way to Subi.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Here is his top 30 for those not wanting to go to X

View attachment 2052117

Some major differences of note compared to Twomey (Cal normally gets better input from recruiters while Ed does more his own ranking

Luke Urquhart - Ed includes in top 20, nothing from Cal
Bo Allan at 4 and 10
Xavier Lindsay at 5 while Cal has him at 16
Harvey Langford at 14 while Cal has him at 4
Murphy Reid at 17 while Cal has him at 5

Interesting in dual Larke Medallists this year in Lindsay (5) and Lombard (7)

The Larke medallist since 2011 have been
Sanders
Ashcroft
Robertson
Walsh
Oscar
Graham
Schache
Petracca
Sheed
Whitfield
Coniglio

Not too many duds in that list.

Langford was larke medallist not Lindsay.

Love the Richmond/freo three way trade, think it no makes good sense all round.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

That would be based soley on us holding a low pick and Allen being the best WA pick.

Lazy journalism IMO.

Have not seen many rate Bo as top 10 on actual output.

I'd have him around the top 10 definitely, 9-12 range. 4 a tad high for mine.

 

[flyinghi64]

Really think Baker would be a worthwhile investment, probably not round 1 pick but not far off.
Wouldn't take much out of his form the past month which has been way down on his usual output.
Earlier in the year he was more averaging 20+ disposals and 4/5 tackles and clearances. Now it is more around 10-12 possies 2-3 tackles and clearances. I think his mind is made up and he is moving on and Richmond seem to be just going through the motions, look at Dusty.

If he were to get to West coast, who by all reports is his preference, he would somewhat be rejuvenated and bring a bit of energy and high standards with him. He runs both ways and definitely not scared to get down and dirty. Having been with Richmond when they were at their peak he knows what it takes be a champion team and he would surely be coming here wanting West Coast to once again be a powerhouse.

There is more to an individual player than what they can do themselves on the field. Certain players drive high standards and commitment and the more players of that ilk you can have at a club the better.

Don't think he has been getting as much respect here as he was so thought I would do some tyre pumping.

 

[mat11]

Relevance?

The win loss record for three plus years is looking as bad if not worse than North. That is a fact you can measure.

Our 2nd round picks for several drafts now have been diluted significantly providing finals teams with priority access to academy kids and father sons. That also can be clearly measured.

What you are saying is based on what exactly? Plenty have called us a rabble over the past three seasons. The worse team in AFL history. But as soon as we enter priority pick bad discussions everyone backflips and says......oh they arent that bad, they arent a rabble. Based on what measurement?

The win/loss is irrelevant because that was the gauge once upon a time which benefited us well in 2001 and is now redundant.

North exhausted every option under the sun to make their club better and still got nowhere I assume that's why the afl were accomodating. You're asking a panel to give us a free hit at the draft because we messed up key areas of our department when we can't even get a honest home and away fixture, I just can't see it happening

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

What you are saying is based on what exactly? Plenty have called us a rabble over the past three seasons. The worse team in AFL history. But as soon as we enter priority pick bad discussions everyone backflips and says......oh they arent that bad, they arent a rabble. Based on what measurement?

A fair counterpoint and one the vAFL can't really explain, so they go down the path of shrugging their shoulders and because I say so.....

7 and 8 would likely get us two of Lalor, Draper, Allan, Lindsay and Travaglia

Assuming the collective agreement would say x2 of them is better than FOS/Smillie? Although I really can't see how Draper would last to 7.

**** me dead if he does, that would be a miracle.

 

[Grahame]

Really think Baker would be a worthwhile investment, probably not round 1 pick but not far off.
Wouldn't take much out of his form the past month which has been way down on his usual output.
Earlier in the year he was more averaging 20+ disposals and 4/5 tackles and clearances. Now it is more around 10-12 possies 2-3 tackles and clearances. I think his mind is made up and he is moving on and Richmond seem to be just going through the motions, look at Dusty.

If he were to get to West coast, who by all reports is his preference, he would somewhat be rejuvenated and bring a bit of energy and high standards with him. He runs both ways and definitely not scared to get down and dirty. Having been with Richmond when they were at their peak he knows what it takes be a champion team and he would surely be coming here wanting West Coast to once again be a powerhouse.

There is more to an individual player than what they can do themselves on the field. Certain players drive high standards and commitment and the more players of that ilk you can have at a club the better.

Don't think he has been getting as much respect here as he was so thought I would do some tyre pumping.

Only if he was cheap or cheapish because Baker isn’t exceptional as a player and presumably he’s at his ceiling.

That said, he was apparently in the mix for captaincy at Richmond - an area where we’re not overly strong.

 

[ziad]

Because every man and their dog know west coast aren't a rabble their a powerhouse that have been under shit management (on and off the field) for a few too many years

I think you just defined a rabble. Not that I agree fully with you.

 

[FKASC]

Pieman would be a big fan of Baker I assume