Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2024, Part I
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Yeah Eagles rolled Hawks comfortably during the season too... then come finals where they lacked experience Hawks rolled them in the QF and in the GF. Thats on the back of WCE being 3/3 at Waverley during the season, and then being 2/3 in finals at Waverley.
The only game they lost at Waverley in 1991 was against the team who's home ground it was who had finals experience...
So what you are saying is that WCEs experience in big matches cost them, just as it did in 1990 as well? Where their inexperience in finals meant they didn't take their chances late against the Pies who spanked them in the QF replay a week later.
No, I'm saying you trotted out an excuse that Hawthorn only won because the Grand final was on their home ground, even though the very same season - the very same finals series - showed they were quite capable of beating the Eagles in Perth. Because they did. In other words, where the game is was irrelevant. If you're good enough it doesn't matter.
One of the more annoying things of that generation was and is he readiness to trot out excuses. Maybe if the players had more drive, had been more professional (especially fat slobs like Brownless), and a lot more willing to do the hard things they would have grabbed a flag.
Yeah, was a strong WCE team, almost as if they were, what did I say earlier? Ahh, yes, a state team.
And what was my comment? Oh right, it was really bad luck that in 92 and 94 we came up against a team who by 92 had extensive finals experience from 1990 and 1991 against quality teams, added in with their depth and talent.
Still think we beat them in a GF at GMHBA which was the premise of my original comment. In 1992 we were a better team than the Weagles throughout the season, and while they got a shock 19 point win at GMHBA our record there was still strong and the bigger MCG suited the Eagles more than it did us, which is why in 92 and 94 they absolutely torched us on the wings. You don't get torched on the wings like that at GMHBA.
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I blame the over reliance on Gary Ablett tbh. And the lack of importance (or talent) in defence.
92 was one of multiple goal kickers with Ablett, would argue others didn't step up, and 94 GF he was the leading goal kicker on the field, what more did you want him to do?
We severely under achieved in 88-95, but lets not pretend it was a level playing field considering the legal benefits WCE got and the illegal benefits Carlton got (and then were punished for).
Also no victim mentality here, we were unlucky in that time window just as other teams were unlucky from 2007 to 2011 when we benefited from a golden generation of father son selections. It is what it is.
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That's the way it goes
After 30 years, time to move on. Nothing we say here will change a thing. It's consigned to history
If Carlton and Essendon could get away with flouting the salary cap for years, win and retain their flags, pretty much anything is allowed
Yeah, it sucks, but fact remains that West Coast was a superior team. Their backline had McKenna, Worsfold, McIntosh, Brennan, Hart and Jakovich
Midfield had Kemp, Matera, Craig Turley, Peter Wilson, Don Pyke and Chris Mainwaring
Forward was Sumich, Chris Lewis and Brett Heady, and Tony Evans performed well as the small forward in both Grand Finals.
Geelong's depth was nowhere near the above. Geelong peaked too early in 1992. Got belted by the Adelaide Crows late in the season as well.
Garry Hocking struggled in Grand Finals, while Couch and Bairstow tried their best. Bairstow's opponent in 1992 was Matera. In 1994 it was Kemp.
Ablett was well held both times. Brownless did okay without being spectacular. Robert Scott in '92 and Leigh Tudor in 1994 didn't hit the scoreboard. Likewise Russell Merriman
Our backline consisting of Tim Darcy, Michael Mansfield, Tim McGrath etc. did their best but ultimately were beaten
Take aside any emotional claptrap, and on paper and on the field, West Coast entered the finals in better form. They proved it as well.
Geelong didn't beat West Coast in a final until 2011. West Coast beat Geelong in 1991 at Waverley, 1992 at the 'G twice, and 1994 at the 'G.
When Geelong beat West Coast earlier in the season in 1992, you had a lead-weight diesel in Andrew Lockyer, a player in Dean Laidley who was always on the periphery of the team, Scott Watters whose hamstrings were always crappo, and a couple of youngers who didn't figure later in the season.
West Coast got their balance right for the finals. Outplayed. Conclusive.
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Aw Mick Mansfield 
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How's Tim McGrath going, does anyone know anything???
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Premiership Tiger Marlion Pickett’s alleged co-offender admits role in crime spree
Premiership Tiger’s alleged co-offender admits crime spree role
www.foxsports.com.au
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Acccording to a headline from October 23 this year;
GFNL club secures 200-game Cats star as new coach
A 200-game Cat is back coaching in the region, joining a GFNL powerhouse in a coup for their program.I would say he's seemingly doing okay.
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Premiership Tiger Marlion Pickett’s alleged co-offender admits role in crime spree
Premiership Tiger’s alleged co-offender admits crime spree role
Marlion Pickett is a fool, if these alleged crimes truly took place. Richmond gave him one of the greatest opportunities to turn his life around and become an advocate for giving felons another chance, but he's basically spat in the face of all those people that helped him by going back to old habits.
Despite being in a stable environment with great people that put countless hours into him, he clearly hasn't learned his lesson
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With the money they get, they are public property. Know why I get chickenfeed? Because I'm not extraordinary, and nobody cares.
Marlion Pickett (and all players) have to understand that with the huge money they receive, they have a responsibility to represent the club and themselves in an exemplary manner. If you want to play football anonymously, go play local. I would gladly be paid that much for a few years and lose some of my freedoms. The opportunities it provides - financial, social and professional are immense!
Given Marlion's history, he would have had a support network around him to coach him away from his 'past life' and towards something more productive.
Steve Johnson came across as a dope, but his biggest mistake was being drunk in Wangaratta, being taken home, then going out again and being caught again.
There are many wonderful football players (as people) who do their club, family, community and themselves proud.
Tom Harley transitioned perfectly, as did Craig Kelly, Nathan Buckley, Stephen Kerhanan, Matthew Lloyd, Dustin Fletcher, Matthew Knights....the list goes on. All were perfectly behaved as players, and never had a problem off-field.
Marlion is simply an idiot
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Looks like Pies fans will have a few more 2 disposal “quality” games to look forward to from Billy Frampton in 2024.
Pies had a very good run with injuries last year, then got a few key injuries late and got the wobbles before recovering most of those injured players for finals.
Looks like Pies fans will have a few more 2 disposal “quality” games to look forward to from Billy Frampton in 2024.
But if the Pies copped the injury list that WCE, us, North, and Croms/Blues at times copped no chance they finish top 3.
Amazing how we went from top of the table and flag to missing finals because we got smashed with injuries. Wonder if we see that happen to the Pies especially with a shorter preseason.
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Injuries
Poor preparation
Bad luck
Some ordinary form
That is the formula for a bad year
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1 and 3 were the decisive issues, particularly when you add regular injuries to major players early in games.
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Poor preparation causes the bad injuries and bad form.
Big preseason this year will make a huge difference.
The form was at least as important as the injuries. I can't remember the number of times I saw the team look so lethargic and flat. Especially live at the ground. From early on in the year all the way to the end. No matter what personnel was out there.
Will Norf make it a clean sweep today?
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